<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Will Wonders Never Cease?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10040.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10040.html</link>
	<description>Some Chicago Boyz know each other from student days at the University of Chicago. Others are Chicago boys in spirit. The blog name is also intended as a good-humored gesture of admiration for distinguished Chicago boys including those pictured above.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:35:18 -0400</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Mark Rogers</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10040.html/comment-page-1#comment-329360</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://chicagoboyz.net/?p=10040#comment-329360</guid>
		<description>To Veryretired:

Excellent comment. It pulls together some interesting observations in a brief, clearly written analysis that suggests a background in serious journalism. Forgive me for possibly being intrusive, but who are you and what else might you have written?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Veryretired:</p>
<p>Excellent comment. It pulls together some interesting observations in a brief, clearly written analysis that suggests a background in serious journalism. Forgive me for possibly being intrusive, but who are you and what else might you have written?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: renminbi</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10040.html/comment-page-1#comment-329076</link>
		<dc:creator>renminbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://chicagoboyz.net/?p=10040#comment-329076</guid>
		<description>Ah,but if my fellows are sinful,that makes me wonderful for seeing it.

        The Chinese and Indians don&#039;t seem to believe this apocalyptic green nonsense- if we choose to cripple ourselves with regulation,they&#039;ll still carry on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah,but if my fellows are sinful,that makes me wonderful for seeing it.</p>
<p>        The Chinese and Indians don&#8217;t seem to believe this apocalyptic green nonsense- if we choose to cripple ourselves with regulation,they&#8217;ll still carry on.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: veryretired</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10040.html/comment-page-1#comment-329059</link>
		<dc:creator>veryretired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://chicagoboyz.net/?p=10040#comment-329059</guid>
		<description>This cultural propensity for some members of society to feel compelled to walk around with signs saying &quot;The End is Near!&quot; is very much in the Judeo-Christian traditions of prophets who come in from the desert to call the sinners to repentence, only translated into the modern, scientific idiom which is more respectable in current society.

Don&#039;t forget that during this same period, any number of religious groups, large and small, have issued repeated predictions of armageddon, the last judgement, the rapture, and/or the apocalypse with much the same conviction, the same record of failure, and the same refusal on the main part of the faithful to abandon belief in their particular prophet just because he or she was wrong.

For the record, I do not deny that the earth is warming to some extent. It has been in a general warming phase since the well documented end of the disastrous &quot;Little Ice Age&quot; around 1800. Since then, the world&#039;s average temperatures have warmed and cooled according to complex patterns that I do not believe we clearly understand or can explain.

What is the greatest commonality to be found in all these predictions of imminent disaster, both religious and scientific?

That the behavior of human beings is to blame, that human beings have been judged, either by a deity or by nature, and found to be culpable of sinful actions and erroneous beliefs, all of which must be changed immediately to accord with the will of the lord, or the prerogatives of nature as discerned by those more in tune with that universal force than we ignorant peasants, who need to be guided to the promised land.

Human beings need something to believe in. Human beings seem to have a distinct need to believe that their fellows are sinful, and that their society is collapsing into some form of well deserved hellish abyss.

I am often reminded, when I hear these never ending predictions of disaster here and calamity there, of the scene in the movie &quot;Apocalypto&quot; when the hero and his group are led to the altar of sacrifice. Just as Jaguar Paw is being readied to have his heart cut out and offered to the sun god, an eclipse occurs. The high priest then calls on the god to return, and when it does, tells the people that their deity is finally satisfied with all the hearts it has been given, and that all is well in the kingdom.

There is a look exchanged between the priest and the king at this point which suggests a shared acknowledgement that they both know this is all utterly bogus, but that it&#039;s okay because the faithful are ecstatic with their explanation, and that&#039;s all that really matters.

It has been mentioned in other contexts that the predictions of doom would be much more convincing if the prophets acted as if they believed it themselves by stopping many of the wasteful, &quot;warming&quot; behaviors they condemn in others. But, then, there are very few Jeremiah&#039;s in the world, wearing skins and eating locusts, and a great many gurus in Rolls Royces and private jets.

There is a strain of self hatred running underneath much of the theology of deep ecology that I find troubling and dangerous. All too often, in the past, and in the current case, humanity has been duped into believing the claims of leaders whose goal is not the pursuit of happiness, but the judgement of sin, and the enactment of punishments against those found to be guilty of whatever transgressions are the vogue of the times.

In our modern social/cultural context, the vogue seems to be that anyone who values independence of thought and action is suspect, if not beyond redemption, while those who chant the approved chants, and chastise themselves with the approved flails, shall rule the earth.

The key is that this is not science, but faith. And, as in any dispute in which dogma is being questioned, it is the heretic who is in the most danger.

It is not the judgement of god, or nature, that I fear, but the delusions of those who claim to know what that judgement is, and are determined to exact the punishments their visions have demanded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This cultural propensity for some members of society to feel compelled to walk around with signs saying &#8220;The End is Near!&#8221; is very much in the Judeo-Christian traditions of prophets who come in from the desert to call the sinners to repentence, only translated into the modern, scientific idiom which is more respectable in current society.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that during this same period, any number of religious groups, large and small, have issued repeated predictions of armageddon, the last judgement, the rapture, and/or the apocalypse with much the same conviction, the same record of failure, and the same refusal on the main part of the faithful to abandon belief in their particular prophet just because he or she was wrong.</p>
<p>For the record, I do not deny that the earth is warming to some extent. It has been in a general warming phase since the well documented end of the disastrous &#8220;Little Ice Age&#8221; around 1800. Since then, the world&#8217;s average temperatures have warmed and cooled according to complex patterns that I do not believe we clearly understand or can explain.</p>
<p>What is the greatest commonality to be found in all these predictions of imminent disaster, both religious and scientific?</p>
<p>That the behavior of human beings is to blame, that human beings have been judged, either by a deity or by nature, and found to be culpable of sinful actions and erroneous beliefs, all of which must be changed immediately to accord with the will of the lord, or the prerogatives of nature as discerned by those more in tune with that universal force than we ignorant peasants, who need to be guided to the promised land.</p>
<p>Human beings need something to believe in. Human beings seem to have a distinct need to believe that their fellows are sinful, and that their society is collapsing into some form of well deserved hellish abyss.</p>
<p>I am often reminded, when I hear these never ending predictions of disaster here and calamity there, of the scene in the movie &#8220;Apocalypto&#8221; when the hero and his group are led to the altar of sacrifice. Just as Jaguar Paw is being readied to have his heart cut out and offered to the sun god, an eclipse occurs. The high priest then calls on the god to return, and when it does, tells the people that their deity is finally satisfied with all the hearts it has been given, and that all is well in the kingdom.</p>
<p>There is a look exchanged between the priest and the king at this point which suggests a shared acknowledgement that they both know this is all utterly bogus, but that it&#8217;s okay because the faithful are ecstatic with their explanation, and that&#8217;s all that really matters.</p>
<p>It has been mentioned in other contexts that the predictions of doom would be much more convincing if the prophets acted as if they believed it themselves by stopping many of the wasteful, &#8220;warming&#8221; behaviors they condemn in others. But, then, there are very few Jeremiah&#8217;s in the world, wearing skins and eating locusts, and a great many gurus in Rolls Royces and private jets.</p>
<p>There is a strain of self hatred running underneath much of the theology of deep ecology that I find troubling and dangerous. All too often, in the past, and in the current case, humanity has been duped into believing the claims of leaders whose goal is not the pursuit of happiness, but the judgement of sin, and the enactment of punishments against those found to be guilty of whatever transgressions are the vogue of the times.</p>
<p>In our modern social/cultural context, the vogue seems to be that anyone who values independence of thought and action is suspect, if not beyond redemption, while those who chant the approved chants, and chastise themselves with the approved flails, shall rule the earth.</p>
<p>The key is that this is not science, but faith. And, as in any dispute in which dogma is being questioned, it is the heretic who is in the most danger.</p>
<p>It is not the judgement of god, or nature, that I fear, but the delusions of those who claim to know what that judgement is, and are determined to exact the punishments their visions have demanded.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: James R. Rummel</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10040.html/comment-page-1#comment-329058</link>
		<dc:creator>James R. Rummel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://chicagoboyz.net/?p=10040#comment-329058</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;If these people opened up a history book I think they would be thanking their lucky stars they live in today’s world. The world will never be perfect, nor will it ever be totally doomed. It is constant struggle, innovation, and adaptation.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m with you 100% on that, Matt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;If these people opened up a history book I think they would be thanking their lucky stars they live in today’s world. The world will never be perfect, nor will it ever be totally doomed. It is constant struggle, innovation, and adaptation.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you 100% on that, Matt.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10040.html/comment-page-1#comment-329057</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://chicagoboyz.net/?p=10040#comment-329057</guid>
		<description>Comment #6 was me, I forgot to fill out the form. Hopefully my face won&#039;t melt off :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment #6 was me, I forgot to fill out the form. Hopefully my face won&#8217;t melt off :)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10040.html/comment-page-1#comment-329056</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://chicagoboyz.net/?p=10040#comment-329056</guid>
		<description>What I don&#039;t get about all of the &quot;tipping point&quot; people is that they seem to forget all of the times humanity or civilization or the earth or whatever was, ya know, actually threatened. If these people opened up a history book I think they would be thanking their lucky stars they live in today&#039;s world. The world will never be perfect, nor will it ever be totally doomed. It is constant struggle, innovation, and adaptation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t get about all of the &#8220;tipping point&#8221; people is that they seem to forget all of the times humanity or civilization or the earth or whatever was, ya know, actually threatened. If these people opened up a history book I think they would be thanking their lucky stars they live in today&#8217;s world. The world will never be perfect, nor will it ever be totally doomed. It is constant struggle, innovation, and adaptation.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: James R. Rummel</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10040.html/comment-page-1#comment-329054</link>
		<dc:creator>James R. Rummel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://chicagoboyz.net/?p=10040#comment-329054</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;This is the first Democrat government that doesn’t preach about disarmament.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

It is?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/05/AR2009040500021.html

They are still tilting at that particular windmill, just that it isn&#039;t on the front burner anymore.  Probably due to the fact that the USSR is no more, and the biggest nuclear threats are North Korea and Iran.  No big headlines for standing up to piss-poor pissants who need the nukes to be taken seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;This is the first Democrat government that doesn’t preach about disarmament.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>It is?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/05/AR2009040500021.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/05/AR2009040500021.html</a></p>
<p>They are still tilting at that particular windmill, just that it isn&#8217;t on the front burner anymore.  Probably due to the fact that the USSR is no more, and the biggest nuclear threats are North Korea and Iran.  No big headlines for standing up to piss-poor pissants who need the nukes to be taken seriously.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: sol vason</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10040.html/comment-page-1#comment-329053</link>
		<dc:creator>sol vason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://chicagoboyz.net/?p=10040#comment-329053</guid>
		<description>Prophets make profits from books, lectures and talk shows.  Children need to be scared by the monster under the bed.  Adults need to be scared by the end of the world.  The trick is have the world end soon, but not too soon, unless we do something about it.

You forgot the major scare we all grew up with - Thermonuclear War!  This is the first Democrat government that doesn&#039;t preach about disarmament.  Why?  Is it because book sales and lectures about Thermonuclear war don&#039;t sell anymore?

Al Gore will soon be a billionaire.  His genius was enlisting the scientific community by creating government grants for any academic, foreign or domestic, to study global warming.  I have a friend who has a grant to study the effect of global warming on romantic poetry.  I love global warming.  I am developing beach front property on the artic ocean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prophets make profits from books, lectures and talk shows.  Children need to be scared by the monster under the bed.  Adults need to be scared by the end of the world.  The trick is have the world end soon, but not too soon, unless we do something about it.</p>
<p>You forgot the major scare we all grew up with &#8211; Thermonuclear War!  This is the first Democrat government that doesn&#8217;t preach about disarmament.  Why?  Is it because book sales and lectures about Thermonuclear war don&#8217;t sell anymore?</p>
<p>Al Gore will soon be a billionaire.  His genius was enlisting the scientific community by creating government grants for any academic, foreign or domestic, to study global warming.  I have a friend who has a grant to study the effect of global warming on romantic poetry.  I love global warming.  I am developing beach front property on the artic ocean.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Percy Dovetonsils</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10040.html/comment-page-1#comment-329047</link>
		<dc:creator>Percy Dovetonsils</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://chicagoboyz.net/?p=10040#comment-329047</guid>
		<description>Perhaps a review of the story &quot;The Boy Who Cried Wolf&quot; is in order for the doom &#039;n gloom crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps a review of the story &#8220;The Boy Who Cried Wolf&#8221; is in order for the doom &#8216;n gloom crowd.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jim Miller</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10040.html/comment-page-1#comment-329046</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://chicagoboyz.net/?p=10040#comment-329046</guid>
		<description>Tom Wolfe has a very funny take on this in &quot;The Intelligent Coed&#039;s Guide To America&quot;, which you can find in his collection, &quot;The Purple Decades&quot;, and  other places.  (It was originally published in Harpers in 1976.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Wolfe has a very funny take on this in &#8220;The Intelligent Coed&#8217;s Guide To America&#8221;, which you can find in his collection, &#8220;The Purple Decades&#8221;, and  other places.  (It was originally published in Harpers in 1976.)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10040.html/comment-page-1#comment-329045</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://chicagoboyz.net/?p=10040#comment-329045</guid>
		<description>You forgot how we would all starve by 1980 (Paul Ehrlich, &quot;The Population Bomb,&quot; ca. 1968), and we were going to run out of not just oil, but virtually every mineral resource well before 2000 (Jay Forrester, &quot;World Dynamics&quot; and the Club of Rome, &quot;The Limits to Growth,&quot; ca. 1970).

Reminds me of a famous article by Paul Johnson in National Review ca. 1992, that with teh fall of Communism, the new reigning -&quot;ism&quot; in the West was going to be &quot;Pessimism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot how we would all starve by 1980 (Paul Ehrlich, &#8220;The Population Bomb,&#8221; ca. 1968), and we were going to run out of not just oil, but virtually every mineral resource well before 2000 (Jay Forrester, &#8220;World Dynamics&#8221; and the Club of Rome, &#8220;The Limits to Growth,&#8221; ca. 1970).</p>
<p>Reminds me of a famous article by Paul Johnson in National Review ca. 1992, that with teh fall of Communism, the new reigning -&#8221;ism&#8221; in the West was going to be &#8220;Pessimism.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
