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		<title>By: Michael Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t remember why they never got going. In think the game plan was to do them for cash and it got too expensive to deal with insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember why they never got going. In think the game plan was to do them for cash and it got too expensive to deal with insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy smokes, what I wouldn&#039;t give for a mammo center like one of these, especially if (for a fee, I assume) they&#039;d give me images of my scans to take with me! I&#039;m overdue by two years for a mammo because in order to get one at the center where my baseline and next two follow-ups were done (they have the original images and of course it&#039;s best if you can always compare with the originals), I first have to visit my GP or OB-GYN and get a mysterious &quot;code&quot; on a prescription form. Then I call the center, giving the code like a secret password, and THEN I can get an appointment... for a month from now, or whatever. 

I&#039;m b*tching because it&#039;s inconvenient, but I&#039;ll still take this degree of freedom and choice (I chose this mammo center because they&#039;re really thorough and will read and re-read scans while I wait) over what we&#039;re being &quot;offered&quot; in a New York minute. Doesn&#039;t stop me from wishing for &quot;Tan &#039;n&#039; Wash,&quot; though - get a mammo, shop for shoes, return for the results of the mammo...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy smokes, what I wouldn&#8217;t give for a mammo center like one of these, especially if (for a fee, I assume) they&#8217;d give me images of my scans to take with me! I&#8217;m overdue by two years for a mammo because in order to get one at the center where my baseline and next two follow-ups were done (they have the original images and of course it&#8217;s best if you can always compare with the originals), I first have to visit my GP or OB-GYN and get a mysterious &#8220;code&#8221; on a prescription form. Then I call the center, giving the code like a secret password, and THEN I can get an appointment&#8230; for a month from now, or whatever. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m b*tching because it&#8217;s inconvenient, but I&#8217;ll still take this degree of freedom and choice (I chose this mammo center because they&#8217;re really thorough and will read and re-read scans while I wait) over what we&#8217;re being &#8220;offered&#8221; in a New York minute. Doesn&#8217;t stop me from wishing for &#8220;Tan &#8216;n&#8217; Wash,&#8221; though &#8211; get a mammo, shop for shoes, return for the results of the mammo&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Laura(southernxyl)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura(southernxyl)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A friend of mine invested in a very interesting venture about 20 years ago. He was a radiologist and the venture was to be a chain of small mammography centers that would be placed in shopping malls. The center would be staffed by a nurse and an x-ray tech. The films would be read by a radiologist (him) in a central facility. He figured they could do mammograms for about $100. I don’t think anything came of it because mammography became a covered benefit. The private option couldn’t compete with free.&quot;

Baptist Hospital runs a mammography center tucked away in a corner of Macy&#039;s at Oak Court Mall in Memphis, TN.  I used to get my screens there, paid for by my insurance company.  According to my EOBs, they did cost around $100.  It was damn convenient to just pop in and get my name on the list, and shop and so forth, and show up to get that done, and go on shopping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A friend of mine invested in a very interesting venture about 20 years ago. He was a radiologist and the venture was to be a chain of small mammography centers that would be placed in shopping malls. The center would be staffed by a nurse and an x-ray tech. The films would be read by a radiologist (him) in a central facility. He figured they could do mammograms for about $100. I don’t think anything came of it because mammography became a covered benefit. The private option couldn’t compete with free.&#8221;</p>
<p>Baptist Hospital runs a mammography center tucked away in a corner of Macy&#8217;s at Oak Court Mall in Memphis, TN.  I used to get my screens there, paid for by my insurance company.  According to my EOBs, they did cost around $100.  It was damn convenient to just pop in and get my name on the list, and shop and so forth, and show up to get that done, and go on shopping.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of comments: There was an interest years ago in routine chest x-rays for screening for TB. There used to be mobile units that parked on street corners and people were encouraged to get chest x-rays. You have to be pretty old to remember them because TB went away as a major public health concern and skin tests got better. After TB was no longer a good reason, there was a movement to use the trucks (after all the money had been spent and there was a constituency to keep the program by those working in it) to screen for lung cancer. That lasted a couple of years until a study from Mayo Clinic (I believe) showed that early diagnosis made no difference in the cure rate. The mortality curve was not shifted and all that happened was to add a tail on the left with early diagnosis. The trucks were retired.

Mammography is different because the mortality curve is shifted by early diagnosis. Not everyone believes this. I attended a meeting 25 years ago and heard a well known British cancer surgeon say that breast cancer cannot be cured. That every woman diagnosed with breast cancer will eventually die of the disease if she lives long enough. That is a distinct minority view but it is significant, I believe, that he was British.

A friend of mine invested in a very interesting venture about 20 years ago. He was a radiologist and the venture was to be a chain of small mammography centers that would be placed in shopping malls. The center would be staffed by a nurse and an x-ray tech. The films would be read by a radiologist (him) in a central facility. He figured they could do mammograms for about $100. I don&#039;t think anything came of it because mammography became a covered benefit. The private option couldn&#039;t compete with free.

About 20 years ago, I was one of the first surgeons in our area to do hernia surgery by laparoscopy. One of the equipment reps (They were observing the surgery for ideas on improving the equipment) was the wife of a police sergeant in a neighboring city. They got interested in having us do all the workmen&#039;s comp hernias because they were back to work in a week instead of a month. The only reason they got interested is because they were self insuring and paid for both the medical care and the time off. Most of the time those two functions are separate and there is little incentive to combine them.

There are lots of ways to improve the product of health care but many of them never happen because of the way it is paid for. The Democrats&#039; bills make this much worse. That&#039;s ignoring the cost, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of comments: There was an interest years ago in routine chest x-rays for screening for TB. There used to be mobile units that parked on street corners and people were encouraged to get chest x-rays. You have to be pretty old to remember them because TB went away as a major public health concern and skin tests got better. After TB was no longer a good reason, there was a movement to use the trucks (after all the money had been spent and there was a constituency to keep the program by those working in it) to screen for lung cancer. That lasted a couple of years until a study from Mayo Clinic (I believe) showed that early diagnosis made no difference in the cure rate. The mortality curve was not shifted and all that happened was to add a tail on the left with early diagnosis. The trucks were retired.</p>
<p>Mammography is different because the mortality curve is shifted by early diagnosis. Not everyone believes this. I attended a meeting 25 years ago and heard a well known British cancer surgeon say that breast cancer cannot be cured. That every woman diagnosed with breast cancer will eventually die of the disease if she lives long enough. That is a distinct minority view but it is significant, I believe, that he was British.</p>
<p>A friend of mine invested in a very interesting venture about 20 years ago. He was a radiologist and the venture was to be a chain of small mammography centers that would be placed in shopping malls. The center would be staffed by a nurse and an x-ray tech. The films would be read by a radiologist (him) in a central facility. He figured they could do mammograms for about $100. I don&#8217;t think anything came of it because mammography became a covered benefit. The private option couldn&#8217;t compete with free.</p>
<p>About 20 years ago, I was one of the first surgeons in our area to do hernia surgery by laparoscopy. One of the equipment reps (They were observing the surgery for ideas on improving the equipment) was the wife of a police sergeant in a neighboring city. They got interested in having us do all the workmen&#8217;s comp hernias because they were back to work in a week instead of a month. The only reason they got interested is because they were self insuring and paid for both the medical care and the time off. Most of the time those two functions are separate and there is little incentive to combine them.</p>
<p>There are lots of ways to improve the product of health care but many of them never happen because of the way it is paid for. The Democrats&#8217; bills make this much worse. That&#8217;s ignoring the cost, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: juandos</title>
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		<dc:creator>juandos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, even more blatant evidence that the people get the very government they deserve...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, even more blatant evidence that the people get the very government they deserve&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; ... there is no reason why the market for insurance and medical services can’t work like any other market ... &quot;

Yes there is, and it&#039;s called Congress...

OK, so I&#039;m cynical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; &#8230; there is no reason why the market for insurance and medical services can’t work like any other market &#8230; &#8221;</p>
<p>Yes there is, and it&#8217;s called Congress&#8230;</p>
<p>OK, so I&#8217;m cynical.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your clarity. 

Feeling like a number is not likely to make us feel confident about our chances. 

Free choice exercises muscles.  Planning, choosing, taking responsibility - I could practically feel the burn as muscles grew when I began as an entrepreneur after years in academia.  

But it energizes - we do something about our health, we&#039;re happier with the consequences, we accept that there&#039;s no free lunch.  

We know damn well there isn&#039;t, but the Senate drones on and we can get mesmerized.  But, we suspect it isn&#039;t going to work.  Facing it is facing what we know is the truth.  That&#039;s energizing, too.  What&#039;s more draining than living a lie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your clarity. </p>
<p>Feeling like a number is not likely to make us feel confident about our chances. </p>
<p>Free choice exercises muscles.  Planning, choosing, taking responsibility &#8211; I could practically feel the burn as muscles grew when I began as an entrepreneur after years in academia.  </p>
<p>But it energizes &#8211; we do something about our health, we&#8217;re happier with the consequences, we accept that there&#8217;s no free lunch.  </p>
<p>We know damn well there isn&#8217;t, but the Senate drones on and we can get mesmerized.  But, we suspect it isn&#8217;t going to work.  Facing it is facing what we know is the truth.  That&#8217;s energizing, too.  What&#8217;s more draining than living a lie?</p>
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