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	<title>Comments on: Drucker and Lewis on Theory and Experience</title>
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		<title>By: Carl from Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl from Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a generalist and sympathize with this article.  My grandfather used to say &quot;you can always hire brains&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a generalist and sympathize with this article.  My grandfather used to say &#8220;you can always hire brains&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think the cards were larger than 3 x 5 and had many lines for entering items going in and out. Sears has shrunk radically since those days and perhaps it began just about there. 

Also, those were the days of profit sharing when employees really did own a big piece of the company. I remember meeting an elevator operator who, it was rumored, had several hundred thousands in stock. A manager might be intimidated at trying to push one of those employees around.

I went to college on a scholarship funded by Sears employees, led by David Brooker, and had a lot of contact with Sears folks who helped me find part time jobs, etc. It&#039;s been sad to see their decline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think the cards were larger than 3 x 5 and had many lines for entering items going in and out. Sears has shrunk radically since those days and perhaps it began just about there. </p>
<p>Also, those were the days of profit sharing when employees really did own a big piece of the company. I remember meeting an elevator operator who, it was rumored, had several hundred thousands in stock. A manager might be intimidated at trying to push one of those employees around.</p>
<p>I went to college on a scholarship funded by Sears employees, led by David Brooker, and had a lot of contact with Sears folks who helped me find part time jobs, etc. It&#8217;s been sad to see their decline.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Kennedy...great story--thanks!

I wonder if the way-out-of-date 3x5 cards were actually used for reordering purposes, or if that was accomplished by someone noticing that the shelf/bin was empty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Kennedy&#8230;great story&#8211;thanks!</p>
<p>I wonder if the way-out-of-date 3&#215;5 cards were actually used for reordering purposes, or if that was accomplished by someone noticing that the shelf/bin was empty.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a college student, I worked in the Sears Boyle Street store in east Los Angeles part time. One day, Kellstadt, who was president of Sears at the time, toured the store. We were all standing at attention as he walked by. He stopped in the Men&#039;s Clothing section next to where I stood in Sporting Goods. He looked at a hideous tie hanging there with dyed feathers on it. &quot;Get rid of that awful tie!&quot; he said. The department manager had to tell him it was their best seller. He wasn&#039;t perfect.

That same store had a warehouse, the inventory section for which was run by three old ladies. They laboriously entered each item sold from the warehouse on a 3 x 5 card. The card had deliveries and sales and was supposed to represent the inventory for one item in the warehouse. There were hundreds, if not thousands, of the cards. The old ladies had worked for Sears for many years and had weeks of vacation each year. When they left, for three weeks usually at a time, the cards sat, waiting to be updated when they returned. This had gone on for years and the actual inventory was years out of date. A year later, I got a job as a computer programmer and realized how easy it would have been for Sears to modernize that system. I wondered why. That was 1959.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a college student, I worked in the Sears Boyle Street store in east Los Angeles part time. One day, Kellstadt, who was president of Sears at the time, toured the store. We were all standing at attention as he walked by. He stopped in the Men&#8217;s Clothing section next to where I stood in Sporting Goods. He looked at a hideous tie hanging there with dyed feathers on it. &#8220;Get rid of that awful tie!&#8221; he said. The department manager had to tell him it was their best seller. He wasn&#8217;t perfect.</p>
<p>That same store had a warehouse, the inventory section for which was run by three old ladies. They laboriously entered each item sold from the warehouse on a 3 x 5 card. The card had deliveries and sales and was supposed to represent the inventory for one item in the warehouse. There were hundreds, if not thousands, of the cards. The old ladies had worked for Sears for many years and had weeks of vacation each year. When they left, for three weeks usually at a time, the cards sat, waiting to be updated when they returned. This had gone on for years and the actual inventory was years out of date. A year later, I got a job as a computer programmer and realized how easy it would have been for Sears to modernize that system. I wondered why. That was 1959.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a &quot;Wow!&quot; post. I am researching knowledge theory and the Drucker quotes hit the mark (btw: I&#039;ve read the Drucker book and the wonderful C.S. Lewis, but that was oh so many books ago!)

Dr. Greg Burns wrote that 80% of communication is non-verbal; such is the power of perception. The stronger the ability to communicate in such a way as to &quot;paint a picture,&quot; the more meaning. And the ability to convey &quot;meaning&quot; is key.

On a side note, Charles Murray&#039;s Real Education provides some practical remedies to the phenomena of intellectual stovepipes devoid of real-world context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a &#8220;Wow!&#8221; post. I am researching knowledge theory and the Drucker quotes hit the mark (btw: I&#8217;ve read the Drucker book and the wonderful C.S. Lewis, but that was oh so many books ago!)</p>
<p>Dr. Greg Burns wrote that 80% of communication is non-verbal; such is the power of perception. The stronger the ability to communicate in such a way as to &#8220;paint a picture,&#8221; the more meaning. And the ability to convey &#8220;meaning&#8221; is key.</p>
<p>On a side note, Charles Murray&#8217;s Real Education provides some practical remedies to the phenomena of intellectual stovepipes devoid of real-world context.</p>
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		<title>By: renminbi</title>
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		<dc:creator>renminbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this-great post. Read the book some twenty odd years ago, but will read it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this-great post. Read the book some twenty odd years ago, but will read it again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great post. Thanks for reposting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great post. Thanks for reposting it.</p>
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		<title>By: David Fauman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Fauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice they are NOT the same.
The refusal to see humans-just a giant machine in your minds eye-dooms most efforts of intellectuals and others educated beyond their intelligence (Joe Biden call your office).
As my father used to say, &quot;You can always tell a Harvard man, but you can&#039;t tell him much.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In theory, theory and practice are the same.<br />
In practice they are NOT the same.<br />
The refusal to see humans-just a giant machine in your minds eye-dooms most efforts of intellectuals and others educated beyond their intelligence (Joe Biden call your office).<br />
As my father used to say, &#8220;You can always tell a Harvard man, but you can&#8217;t tell him much.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dearieme</title>
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		<dc:creator>dearieme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent a long tome teaching in good Engineering departments. The best students were very gifted at moving to and fro between abstractions - for example, those of thermodynamics - and the specifics - the detail of some practical problem that they had in hand.  Some students, however, I thought of as mathematicians manque - they were strong with the abstractions, weak with the particulars.  Others were too blinkered ever to grasp the power of the abstractions.

I suspect that many academic economists or also &quot;mathematicians manque&quot;; unfortunately the abstractions of their discipline mostly lack the rigour and power of the abstractions available to the engineers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent a long tome teaching in good Engineering departments. The best students were very gifted at moving to and fro between abstractions &#8211; for example, those of thermodynamics &#8211; and the specifics &#8211; the detail of some practical problem that they had in hand.  Some students, however, I thought of as mathematicians manque &#8211; they were strong with the abstractions, weak with the particulars.  Others were too blinkered ever to grasp the power of the abstractions.</p>
<p>I suspect that many academic economists or also &#8220;mathematicians manque&#8221;; unfortunately the abstractions of their discipline mostly lack the rigour and power of the abstractions available to the engineers.</p>
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