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	<title>Comments on: Book Review: Between Silk and Cyanide, by Leo Marks</title>
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		<title>By: J. Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ordered the book yesterday and will move toward the top of the queue. Thanks for the post.</description>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madhu..no, I haven&#039;t read it or seen the movie...Marks does mention the bookstore quite a bit in his memoir.</description>
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		<title>By: onparkstreet</title>
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		<dc:creator>onparkstreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Linc Wolverton

Seriously? I love that movie - 84 Charing Cross Road - but haven&#039;t read the book on which it&#039;s based. Anyone around here who has? David Foster, I&#039;m betting you have!

- Madhu</description>
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<p>Seriously? I love that movie &#8211; 84 Charing Cross Road &#8211; but haven&#8217;t read the book on which it&#8217;s based. Anyone around here who has? David Foster, I&#8217;m betting you have!</p>
<p>- Madhu</p>
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		<title>By: Tatyana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatyana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, thanks. I understood the premise - but couldn&#039;t find an explanation how exactly Marks solved this predicament. Maybe it&#039;s expanded on in the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, thanks. I understood the premise &#8211; but couldn&#8217;t find an explanation how exactly Marks solved this predicament. Maybe it&#8217;s expanded on in the book.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tatyana...the original assignment of the coders at Grendon was simply the very mechanical operation of encrypting and decryping messages, using a key (the appropriate poem) which they had in their possession. The new assignment was to decrypt messages which had errors in them--apparently, the structure of the code was such that an error in a single character could make all of the subsequent message unreadable--which required more creative cryptographi skills.

The way this potentially helped the Tennyson-loving agent was by reducing the odds that he would be required to retransmit a message. It didn&#039;t always work--even with a greaty expanded group of well-trained FANYs, not all &quot;indecipherables&quot; could be broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tatyana&#8230;the original assignment of the coders at Grendon was simply the very mechanical operation of encrypting and decryping messages, using a key (the appropriate poem) which they had in their possession. The new assignment was to decrypt messages which had errors in them&#8211;apparently, the structure of the code was such that an error in a single character could make all of the subsequent message unreadable&#8211;which required more creative cryptographi skills.</p>
<p>The way this potentially helped the Tennyson-loving agent was by reducing the odds that he would be required to retransmit a message. It didn&#8217;t always work&#8211;even with a greaty expanded group of well-trained FANYs, not all &#8220;indecipherables&#8221; could be broken.</p>
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		<title>By: Linc Wolverton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linc Wolverton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that Leo Marks&#039;s parents owned the bookstore at 84 Charing Cross Road is a wonderful side piece of information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Leo Marks&#8217;s parents owned the bookstore at 84 Charing Cross Road is a wonderful side piece of information.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatyana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatyana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But there was one thing that I could do.&lt;/i&gt;

I miss the point of this episode. So, what exactly did he do for that guy? What did he taught the &quot;girls&quot;? And why it took them &quot;only two days&quot; to decipher some message? How long did it take them before his instruction?
It all sounds a bit strange...like a story without a punchline.

I know programmers and generally people who use math in their professions love books and films about WWII coding (I vaguely remember a movie about Brits cracking some code or other, with incomprehensible accents and foggy plot). The subject bores me.

Poetry, on the other hand, is a different matter. 
There is nothing surprising in the age of the poet - isn&#039;t poetry by definition - the freshness of outlook, the grasping of underlying connections and associations of life expressed in concentrated poetic form - isn&#039;t it all an extension of young and clear mind curious at the doorstep of incomprehensible world?
All original poetry was written by young people. How old was Byron when he died? At what age Pushkin or Rimbaud written their best?


I remember your very interesting post about Noor; it reminded of my own &lt;a href rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://creakypavillion.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/%D0%BD%D1%83%D1%83%D1%80-%D1%83%D0%BD-%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B0-%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%8F%D1%82-%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD/&quot;&gt;inquiries&lt;/a&gt; after reading it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But there was one thing that I could do.</i></p>
<p>I miss the point of this episode. So, what exactly did he do for that guy? What did he taught the &#8220;girls&#8221;? And why it took them &#8220;only two days&#8221; to decipher some message? How long did it take them before his instruction?<br />
It all sounds a bit strange&#8230;like a story without a punchline.</p>
<p>I know programmers and generally people who use math in their professions love books and films about WWII coding (I vaguely remember a movie about Brits cracking some code or other, with incomprehensible accents and foggy plot). The subject bores me.</p>
<p>Poetry, on the other hand, is a different matter.<br />
There is nothing surprising in the age of the poet &#8211; isn&#8217;t poetry by definition &#8211; the freshness of outlook, the grasping of underlying connections and associations of life expressed in concentrated poetic form &#8211; isn&#8217;t it all an extension of young and clear mind curious at the doorstep of incomprehensible world?<br />
All original poetry was written by young people. How old was Byron when he died? At what age Pushkin or Rimbaud written their best?</p>
<p>I remember your very interesting post about Noor; it reminded of my own <a href rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://creakypavillion.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/%D0%BD%D1%83%D1%83%D1%80-%D1%83%D0%BD-%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B0-%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%8F%D1%82-%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD/" rel="nofollow">http://creakypavillion.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/%D0%BD%D1%83%D1%83%D1%80-%D1%83%D0%BD-%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B0-%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%8F%D1%82-%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD/</a>&#8220;&gt;inquiries after reading it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 04:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have ordered it. Thank you.

I am on volume III of Pogue&#039;s biography of Marshall. Thank you again.</description>
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<p>I am on volume III of Pogue&#8217;s biography of Marshall. Thank you again.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Particularly amazing when you consider the author&#039;s age---Marks was only 25 at the end of the war.</description>
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		<title>By: onparkstreet</title>
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		<dc:creator>onparkstreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poems are amazing.

- Madhu</description>
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<p>- Madhu</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see you at Chicago Boyz, Rebekah!

Another relevant link: &lt;a href=&quot;http://photoncourier.blogspot.com/2009_12_01_photoncourier_archive.html#576046678470921394&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeannie Rousseau&lt;/a&gt;, who was not an SOE agent but rather an indigenous French Resistance member.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see you at Chicago Boyz, Rebekah!</p>
<p>Another relevant link: <a href="http://photoncourier.blogspot.com/2009_12_01_photoncourier_archive.html#576046678470921394" rel="nofollow">Jeannie Rousseau</a>, who was not an SOE agent but rather an indigenous French Resistance member.</p>
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		<title>By: morgenstern</title>
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		<dc:creator>morgenstern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read this one last year. Yes, it&#039;s good, and very human. You left out that the famous &quot;The Life that I Have&quot; poem was one Marks wrote during a period of black despair, when his fiancee was killed in a plane flight to Canada.

I did not think the &quot;Carve Her Name with Pride&quot; movie was much good. Virginia McKenna did not make a convincing &quot;dark-haired slip of mischief.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read this one last year. Yes, it&#8217;s good, and very human. You left out that the famous &#8220;The Life that I Have&#8221; poem was one Marks wrote during a period of black despair, when his fiancee was killed in a plane flight to Canada.</p>
<p>I did not think the &#8220;Carve Her Name with Pride&#8221; movie was much good. Virginia McKenna did not make a convincing &#8220;dark-haired slip of mischief.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Fouche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Fouche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happened to find myself waiting for a flight once without anything to read. I walked into the airport magazine shop and did about a minute&#039;s worth of browsing. &lt;i&gt;Between Silk and Cyanide&lt;/i&gt; looked like the most interesting so I bought the paperback. I read it on the flight over, went to the hotel room and read it till it was finished. I&#039;ve since gone back and re-read it. One of the luckier finds of my reading experience. It&#039;s an excellent book and highly recommended. Nice portrait of the British Empire in its last days before we and the Labour Party euthanized it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happened to find myself waiting for a flight once without anything to read. I walked into the airport magazine shop and did about a minute&#8217;s worth of browsing. <i>Between Silk and Cyanide</i> looked like the most interesting so I bought the paperback. I read it on the flight over, went to the hotel room and read it till it was finished. I&#8217;ve since gone back and re-read it. One of the luckier finds of my reading experience. It&#8217;s an excellent book and highly recommended. Nice portrait of the British Empire in its last days before we and the Labour Party euthanized it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebekah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebekah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This books sounds very interesting! Thank you for the review.  The poem-codes are beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This books sounds very interesting! Thank you for the review.  The poem-codes are beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pleasantly surprised that the Violette movie (&quot;Carve her name with pride&quot;) is now available on Netflix...I had to get it from the UK and then have it converted to US format. Yes, it&#039;s definitely worth seeing, though it has some inaccuracies since SOE work was still pretty much in the dark when it was made (and there is a lot about SOE&#039;s activities that will probably never be known.) Virginia McKenna (Born Free, Ring of Bright Water) does a fine job in the title role..she has said that playing Violette was a very intense emotional experience for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pleasantly surprised that the Violette movie (&#8220;Carve her name with pride&#8221;) is now available on Netflix&#8230;I had to get it from the UK and then have it converted to US format. Yes, it&#8217;s definitely worth seeing, though it has some inaccuracies since SOE work was still pretty much in the dark when it was made (and there is a lot about SOE&#8217;s activities that will probably never be known.) Virginia McKenna (Born Free, Ring of Bright Water) does a fine job in the title role..she has said that playing Violette was a very intense emotional experience for her.</p>
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		<title>By: Lexington Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lexington Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, thanks for this.  I bought the book.  Have you seen the movie about Violette Szabo?  Is it any good?  I went to Netflix and ordered it.  I used to have a picture of Violette Szabo taped to the wall near my desk.  

I have the bio of Noor Inayat Khan but have not read it yet.  

I look forward eagerly to your post about Mr. Cammaerts.  

I recently watched Sophie Scholl: The Final Days.  She was also brave, like the SOE women, and like them died at the hands of the Third Reich.  But unlike them she was in no position to actually have an impact, since the Nazis were already in power and she was doomed the moment she crossed them.  The trick is to prevent it from ever getting to that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, thanks for this.  I bought the book.  Have you seen the movie about Violette Szabo?  Is it any good?  I went to Netflix and ordered it.  I used to have a picture of Violette Szabo taped to the wall near my desk.  </p>
<p>I have the bio of Noor Inayat Khan but have not read it yet.  </p>
<p>I look forward eagerly to your post about Mr. Cammaerts.  </p>
<p>I recently watched Sophie Scholl: The Final Days.  She was also brave, like the SOE women, and like them died at the hands of the Third Reich.  But unlike them she was in no position to actually have an impact, since the Nazis were already in power and she was doomed the moment she crossed them.  The trick is to prevent it from ever getting to that point.</p>
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