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	<title>Comments on: Mark Steyn on the West&#8217;s Muslim Problem</title>
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		<title>By: Miguel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>France is rapidly entering into dhimmitud (sp?) Islam is already considering the old Franken reign as part of Islam&#8217;s territory, and Christian, Jewish Frenchs are second-class citizens (we all currently know this concept, unfortunately). This situation is really spooky for the French. France is in such decadence that although I&#8217;m no big fan of hers, I feel really sorry for the lot of good people that must be living in that land. Nevertheless, I still have hopes that they will awaken in time to stop their social dismisal as a free entity. Liberté, j&#8217;ecri ton nom!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/1724.html/comment-page-1#comment-2133</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, I think that your point is a corollary of what Wretchard at Belmont Club &lt;a href=&quot;http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/2003_12_01_belmontclub_archive.html#107036247993345306&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;argued&lt;/a&gt; about the convergence of radical leftism and Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, I think that your point is a corollary of what Wretchard at Belmont Club <a href="http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/2003_12_01_belmontclub_archive.html#107036247993345306" rel="nofollow">argued</a> about the convergence of radical leftism and Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Bocking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Bocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst agreeing with what Sylvain Galineau says,I think that there is another dimension.The hard left has given up on the proletariat,too drugged with the opium of consumerism,and have found a new army of the revolution.Whatever brings down western capitalism will do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst agreeing with what Sylvain Galineau says,I think that there is another dimension.The hard left has given up on the proletariat,too drugged with the opium of consumerism,and have found a new army of the revolution.Whatever brings down western capitalism will do.</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvain Galineau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvain Galineau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry, I think the phenomenon goes beyond the recent vogue of political correctness, and is somewhat unavoidable, as if it was a built-in feature of the Left. Historically, the Left&#039;s clientele has been victims, or people it perceived as such. And it did help some people, back when class warfare, if not a raw daily reality, was not a quaint notion either. Back then, one can argue a majority of its beneficiaries could use the help. 

But just like your friendly local environmental NGO, it won&#039;t go away when the job is done. The goal posts simply shift to create a new, and if possible larger category of victims. Take today&#039;s American poors, according to government definitions; three quarters own a car, and one of the major health problems for a majority of them is not malnutrition, as it was in the 19th century or in third world countries today, but obesity. Victims, nonetheless. Just like the ozone layer was not such a nasty life-and-death problem after all, the Amazon will not disappear by 2007 as planned, and acid rains didn&#039;t wipe out all our northern forrests, but Greenpeace has grown bigger in the meantime because most people accept the idea that the state of the environment is worsening. 

And so the story goes on. And because it literally is its business model, if not its raison d&#039;etre, the Left goes on naming &quot;victims&quot; and talking up their &quot;rights&quot;. Being a victim makes everything you do right, and gives you rights others don&#039;t have nor, apparently, deserve. And anyone who disagrees is made to  look like a heartless bastard and labelled with the appropriate code words that mark him or her as &#039;toxic&#039; or &#039;100% fat&#039;. 

A lot of political correctness rests on this culture of victimization. Things can no longer be said because someone has become a victim. It is distateful for a football team to call itself the &#039;Crusaders&#039;, but OK for Arab Muslims to call their team &#039;Jihad&#039; or &#039;Intifada&#039;. And so on. 
 
So I think political correctness is only a superficial symptom of the disease. Insert freedom and individual responsibility in the picture and the intellectual house of cards and all its arbitrary barriers crumble. At least, that&#039;s my $.02.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry, I think the phenomenon goes beyond the recent vogue of political correctness, and is somewhat unavoidable, as if it was a built-in feature of the Left. Historically, the Left&#8217;s clientele has been victims, or people it perceived as such. And it did help some people, back when class warfare, if not a raw daily reality, was not a quaint notion either. Back then, one can argue a majority of its beneficiaries could use the help. </p>
<p>But just like your friendly local environmental NGO, it won&#8217;t go away when the job is done. The goal posts simply shift to create a new, and if possible larger category of victims. Take today&#8217;s American poors, according to government definitions; three quarters own a car, and one of the major health problems for a majority of them is not malnutrition, as it was in the 19th century or in third world countries today, but obesity. Victims, nonetheless. Just like the ozone layer was not such a nasty life-and-death problem after all, the Amazon will not disappear by 2007 as planned, and acid rains didn&#8217;t wipe out all our northern forrests, but Greenpeace has grown bigger in the meantime because most people accept the idea that the state of the environment is worsening. </p>
<p>And so the story goes on. And because it literally is its business model, if not its raison d&#8217;etre, the Left goes on naming &#8220;victims&#8221; and talking up their &#8220;rights&#8221;. Being a victim makes everything you do right, and gives you rights others don&#8217;t have nor, apparently, deserve. And anyone who disagrees is made to  look like a heartless bastard and labelled with the appropriate code words that mark him or her as &#8216;toxic&#8217; or &#8217;100% fat&#8217;. </p>
<p>A lot of political correctness rests on this culture of victimization. Things can no longer be said because someone has become a victim. It is distateful for a football team to call itself the &#8216;Crusaders&#8217;, but OK for Arab Muslims to call their team &#8216;Jihad&#8217; or &#8216;Intifada&#8217;. And so on. </p>
<p>So I think political correctness is only a superficial symptom of the disease. Insert freedom and individual responsibility in the picture and the intellectual house of cards and all its arbitrary barriers crumble. At least, that&#8217;s my $.02.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Islamic strategy in France and elsewhere of wrapping itself in the cloak of victimhood is yet another example of the political correctness juggernaut careening out of control. What the left would like is to abolish plain language so nobody&#039;s feelings get hurt. Ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Islamic strategy in France and elsewhere of wrapping itself in the cloak of victimhood is yet another example of the political correctness juggernaut careening out of control. What the left would like is to abolish plain language so nobody&#8217;s feelings get hurt. Ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Anticipatory Retaliation</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/1724.html/comment-page-1#comment-2129</link>
		<dc:creator>Anticipatory Retaliation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This business with &quot;...&#039;multicultural Britai&#039; business is beginning to feel like an interim phase.&quot;  Brings to mind the manner in which Hayek&#039;s &quot;Road to Serfdom&quot; was recieved on its issuance.  Virginia Postrel&#039;s article on Freidrich Hayek (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2004/01/11/friedrich_the_great/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2004/01/11/friedrich_the_great&lt;/a&gt;) mentions the reception in passing.

All in all, I don&#039;t see how one can argue that this is different than any other stripe of totalitarianism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This business with &#8220;&#8230;&#8217;multicultural Britai&#8217; business is beginning to feel like an interim phase.&#8221;  Brings to mind the manner in which Hayek&#8217;s &#8220;Road to Serfdom&#8221; was recieved on its issuance.  Virginia Postrel&#8217;s article on Freidrich Hayek (<a href="http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2004/01/11/friedrich_the_great/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2004/01/11/friedrich_the_great</a>) mentions the reception in passing.</p>
<p>All in all, I don&#8217;t see how one can argue that this is different than any other stripe of totalitarianism.</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvain Galineau</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/1724.html/comment-page-1#comment-2128</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvain Galineau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>French &#039;humorist&#039; Dieudonne who yesterday boasted of wiping his ass with the Israeli flag. Of course, saying the same thing about the Moroccan or Iranian flag would be beyond the pale, if it did not land him in jail.

The fact is, nobody ever got beaten up or shot in the street for insulting Jews. In fact, this activity is obviously rewarded with praise in quite a few locales. Unless you take up arms against Israel itself, there is no physical risk involved. But say one ambiguous thing about Islam on TV and you&#039;ll get the s***t kicked out of you when you come out of the grocery store.

So given the choice, the morally weak and the spineless cowards will beat on civilized targets. Nothing new here.

And for a good critique of the Kilroy-Silk article, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/005322.html#005322&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Samizdata&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>French &#8216;humorist&#8217; Dieudonne who yesterday boasted of wiping his ass with the Israeli flag. Of course, saying the same thing about the Moroccan or Iranian flag would be beyond the pale, if it did not land him in jail.</p>
<p>The fact is, nobody ever got beaten up or shot in the street for insulting Jews. In fact, this activity is obviously rewarded with praise in quite a few locales. Unless you take up arms against Israel itself, there is no physical risk involved. But say one ambiguous thing about Islam on TV and you&#8217;ll get the s***t kicked out of you when you come out of the grocery store.</p>
<p>So given the choice, the morally weak and the spineless cowards will beat on civilized targets. Nothing new here.</p>
<p>And for a good critique of the Kilroy-Silk article, see <a href="http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/005322.html#005322" rel="nofollow">Samizdata</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: mishu</title>
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		<dc:creator>mishu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What really galls me is the BBC reporters use of the  term &quot;Jewish question&quot; when excusing Tom Paulin. See here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/uk/2000/newsmakers/2481623.stm

However, what Robert Kilroy-Silk said was beyond the pale apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really galls me is the BBC reporters use of the  term &#8220;Jewish question&#8221; when excusing Tom Paulin. See here:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/uk/2000/newsmakers/2481623.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/uk/2000/newsmakers/2481623.stm</a></p>
<p>However, what Robert Kilroy-Silk said was beyond the pale apparently.</p>
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