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	<title>Comments on: Martin Sea Planes</title>
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		<title>By: Alan Little</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/2295.html/comment-page-1#comment-6116</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2004 08:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In British usage, a &quot;flying boat&quot; has a boat-shaped hull/fuselage that it lands on; a seaplane looks like a normal plane on floats-on-stilts. Flying boats usually but not always much bigger. American usage may be different.

I believe the Hughes &quot;Spruce Goose&quot;, a flying boat, may still be the largest plane ever built. If not, then the Russian &quot;Caspain Sea Monsters&quot; might be - these were/are enormous flying boats with short stubby ground effect wings designed to skim just above the surface of the water. I read that Boeing have something similar on the drawing board as a high capacity fast military transport.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In British usage, a &#8220;flying boat&#8221; has a boat-shaped hull/fuselage that it lands on; a seaplane looks like a normal plane on floats-on-stilts. Flying boats usually but not always much bigger. American usage may be different.</p>
<p>I believe the Hughes &#8220;Spruce Goose&#8221;, a flying boat, may still be the largest plane ever built. If not, then the Russian &#8220;Caspain Sea Monsters&#8221; might be &#8211; these were/are enormous flying boats with short stubby ground effect wings designed to skim just above the surface of the water. I read that Boeing have something similar on the drawing board as a high capacity fast military transport.</p>
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		<title>By: bobthebellbuoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobthebellbuoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2004 02:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is still a Marin Mars flying in British Columbia. It&#039;s owned by a timber consortium and is used as a self loading water bomber. It&#039;s an awsome machine, on land it&#039;s towed around by the tractor of one of the largest logging trucks made. The airplane dwarfs the truck. This plane probably maxed out the seaplane technological limitations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is still a Marin Mars flying in British Columbia. It&#8217;s owned by a timber consortium and is used as a self loading water bomber. It&#8217;s an awsome machine, on land it&#8217;s towed around by the tractor of one of the largest logging trucks made. The airplane dwarfs the truck. This plane probably maxed out the seaplane technological limitations.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hiteshew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hiteshew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;flying boats (not &quot;sea planes&quot;)&lt;/i&gt;

I worked at the facility where the China Clipper and the SeaMaster were built. The terms flying boat and sea plane were used interchangeably. To my knowledge, they still are.

&lt;i&gt;makes it sound like [they] were hen&#039;s teeth.&lt;/i&gt;

This was just something I found interesting. It wasn&#039;t meant as a technical report or a comprehensive history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>flying boats (not &#8220;sea planes&#8221;)</i></p>
<p>I worked at the facility where the China Clipper and the SeaMaster were built. The terms flying boat and sea plane were used interchangeably. To my knowledge, they still are.</p>
<p><i>makes it sound like [they] were hen&#8217;s teeth.</i></p>
<p>This was just something I found interesting. It wasn&#8217;t meant as a technical report or a comprehensive history.</p>
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		<title>By: j.scott barnard</title>
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		<dc:creator>j.scott barnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get a hard on (figuratively speaking) every time I see that plane. Love it. Although it&#039;s not as sexy as a Boeing 307 Stratoliner Clipper Flying Cloud - (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/boeing_307.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Smithsonian&lt;/a&gt;)(&lt;a href=&quot;http://curiouslee.typepad.com/photos/nasm_dulles/p1190165_cc_cr.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Curious Lee&lt;/a&gt;)(&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/stratoliner/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Boeing&lt;/a&gt;)(&lt;a href=&quot;http://members.clnk.com/k5cf/PanAm903/PanAm903.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vance&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get a hard on (figuratively speaking) every time I see that plane. Love it. Although it&#8217;s not as sexy as a Boeing 307 Stratoliner Clipper Flying Cloud &#8211; (<a href="http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/boeing_307.htm" rel="nofollow">Smithsonian</a>)(<a href="http://curiouslee.typepad.com/photos/nasm_dulles/p1190165_cc_cr.html" rel="nofollow">Curious Lee</a>)(<a href="http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/stratoliner/" rel="nofollow">Boeing</a>)(<a href="http://members.clnk.com/k5cf/PanAm903/PanAm903.htm" rel="nofollow">Vance</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Boness</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/2295.html/comment-page-1#comment-6112</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Boness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indiana Jones was doing U.S. government work at the time. I&#039;m sure taxpayers got the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indiana Jones was doing U.S. government work at the time. I&#8217;m sure taxpayers got the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie Schultz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recall that Indiana Jones took the Clipper to Asia in &lt;i&gt;Raiders of the Lost Ark&lt;/i&gt;.  Wonder who paid for his ticket?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recall that Indiana Jones took the Clipper to Asia in <i>Raiders of the Lost Ark</i>.  Wonder who paid for his ticket?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Den Beste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Den Beste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes it sound like flying boats (not &quot;sea planes&quot;) were hen&#039;s teeth. Actually, one of the big reasons they stopped making the ones mentioned was WWII, and the need for militarized flying boats.

A lot of them are described &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vpnavy.com/aircraft.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;: PBY Catalina, PB4Y-1 Liberator, PB4Y-2 Privateer, PB2Y-5 Coronado, PBM Mariner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes it sound like flying boats (not &#8220;sea planes&#8221;) were hen&#8217;s teeth. Actually, one of the big reasons they stopped making the ones mentioned was WWII, and the need for militarized flying boats.</p>
<p>A lot of them are described <a href="http://www.vpnavy.com/aircraft.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>: PBY Catalina, PB4Y-1 Liberator, PB4Y-2 Privateer, PB2Y-5 Coronado, PBM Mariner.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Goodfellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Goodfellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 12:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seaplanes are still fairly popular among private pilots.  Such as the little 6 seater &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Widgeon.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Grummun Widgeon&lt;/a&gt;.

While were on the topic of seaplanes, I&#039;m reminded that the Soviets once developed a massive jet powered sea plane transport designed to fly low over the water on ground effect.  Googling... Ah, it was called the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aether.demon.co.uk/coolkit/ekranoplan.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ekranoplan&lt;/a&gt; and it was a beast if ever there was one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seaplanes are still fairly popular among private pilots.  Such as the little 6 seater <a href="http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Widgeon.html" rel="nofollow">Grummun Widgeon</a>.</p>
<p>While were on the topic of seaplanes, I&#8217;m reminded that the Soviets once developed a massive jet powered sea plane transport designed to fly low over the water on ground effect.  Googling&#8230; Ah, it was called the <a href="http://www.aether.demon.co.uk/coolkit/ekranoplan.html" rel="nofollow">Ekranoplan</a> and it was a beast if ever there was one.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 08:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you get tired of a big jet flying boat, climb into your single-seater Convair Sea Dart, another fascinating direction that aviation did not take. Though navy politics were supposedly the reason for the demise of American military seaplanes, I would think technical issues were a much larger problem then than now.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/performance/q0190.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you get tired of a big jet flying boat, climb into your single-seater Convair Sea Dart, another fascinating direction that aviation did not take. Though navy politics were supposedly the reason for the demise of American military seaplanes, I would think technical issues were a much larger problem then than now.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/performance/q0190.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/performance/q0190.shtml</a></p>
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