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		<title>By: Kerry</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3208.html/comment-page-2#comment-12471</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sylvain:</p>
<p>Chirac leaves a bad taste in everyone&#8217;s mouth these days, but even in &#8217;95 he was only to be celebrated as a preference to a worse fate, in the way that death by hanging may be preferable to death by flaying. May he rot in prison when he leaves office.</p>
<p>Madelin had this to say about the &#8220;Constitution&#8221;: &#8220;L&#8217;ancien ministre de l&#8217;Economie a indiqué sur France Info que le 29 mai, il donnerait &#8220;a priori un oui de résignation&#8221; au traité constitutionnel.&#8221; Rather pathetic &#8220;yes&#8221;, in other words.</p>
<p>There are those more in tune with real libéralisme in France these days than Madelin. Take a look at turgot.org or ifrap.org, for example. Or if you&#8217;re looking for one of the august elder statesmen, see <a href="http://www.jgarello.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Neolibertarian</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3208.html/comment-page-2#comment-12470</link>
		<dc:creator>Neolibertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sulaiman:

&quot;... how is all this related to European referendum?&quot;

It isn&#039;t.  It does, however, answer your question: &quot;... what is exactly your point on a Federal judge? Please elaborate.&quot;

Be careful what you ask for.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sulaiman:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; how is all this related to European referendum?&#8221;</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t.  It does, however, answer your question: &#8220;&#8230; what is exactly your point on a Federal judge? Please elaborate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Be careful what you ask for.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: incognito</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3208.html/comment-page-2#comment-12469</link>
		<dc:creator>incognito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No by a knockout in Holland - 62%. Gotta love the Dutch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No by a knockout in Holland &#8211; 62%. Gotta love the Dutch.</p>
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		<title>By: Sulaiman</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3208.html/comment-page-2#comment-12468</link>
		<dc:creator>Sulaiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neolibertarian - how is all this related to European referendum?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neolibertarian &#8211; how is all this related to European referendum?</p>
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		<title>By: Neolibertarian</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3208.html/comment-page-2#comment-12467</link>
		<dc:creator>Neolibertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 21:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neoconservatives are Liberals who have been mugged by reality.  (Or, I might add, Libertarians who have reached adulthood.)

Sulaiman:

The &quot;Federal judge&quot; comment was aimed at the tendency of certain judges, &quot;activist judges&quot;, to bend the Constitution to whatever meaning matches their political will, &quot;legislating from the bench&quot; in essence.

They use phrases such as &quot;Constitutional penumbra&quot; and &quot;living document&quot; to justify the wide reach of their legal interpretations.*

Their opponents are called &quot;strict constructionalists&quot; and believe the only legitimate way to change what the Constitution means is via amendment.


* Except for the Second Amendment -- oddly when it comes to &quot;Constitutional penumbras&quot; our right to bear arms is invisible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neoconservatives are Liberals who have been mugged by reality.  (Or, I might add, Libertarians who have reached adulthood.)</p>
<p>Sulaiman:</p>
<p>The &#8220;Federal judge&#8221; comment was aimed at the tendency of certain judges, &#8220;activist judges&#8221;, to bend the Constitution to whatever meaning matches their political will, &#8220;legislating from the bench&#8221; in essence.</p>
<p>They use phrases such as &#8220;Constitutional penumbra&#8221; and &#8220;living document&#8221; to justify the wide reach of their legal interpretations.*</p>
<p>Their opponents are called &#8220;strict constructionalists&#8221; and believe the only legitimate way to change what the Constitution means is via amendment.</p>
<p>* Except for the Second Amendment &#8212; oddly when it comes to &#8220;Constitutional penumbras&#8221; our right to bear arms is invisible.</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvain Galineau</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3208.html/comment-page-2#comment-12466</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvain Galineau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 11:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kerry, the last time I was partying with those guys, we were celebrating Chirac&#039;s victory in 95, only weeks before I moved here. As Monica would say, it left a bad taste in my mouth.

What&#039;s going on with the liberals these days ? Back then Madelin was the figurehead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerry, the last time I was partying with those guys, we were celebrating Chirac&#8217;s victory in 95, only weeks before I moved here. As Monica would say, it left a bad taste in my mouth.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s going on with the liberals these days ? Back then Madelin was the figurehead.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3208.html/comment-page-2#comment-12465</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 07:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further to &quot;enarque&quot; -- the term derives from that bastion of bureaucracy, the French school to educate the political intelligentsia: l&#039;Ecole Nationale d&#039;Administration (ENA). Originally conceived by de Gaulle, it was meant to be for the &quot;best of the best&quot;, situated in Paris, then part time in Paris and part time in Strassbourg, and recently completely in Strassbourg to underscore the &quot;Euro&quot; aspect. Hopefully, the move to Strassbourg will sound its death knell...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to &#8220;enarque&#8221; &#8212; the term derives from that bastion of bureaucracy, the French school to educate the political intelligentsia: l&#8217;Ecole Nationale d&#8217;Administration (ENA). Originally conceived by de Gaulle, it was meant to be for the &#8220;best of the best&#8221;, situated in Paris, then part time in Paris and part time in Strassbourg, and recently completely in Strassbourg to underscore the &#8220;Euro&#8221; aspect. Hopefully, the move to Strassbourg will sound its death knell&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 04:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric asks: What&#039;s [an] Enarque?


A French term for a member of the nomenklatura. I prefer the Russian, the Soviet origin of the term gives it a more precise edge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric asks: What&#8217;s [an] Enarque?</p>
<p>A French term for a member of the nomenklatura. I prefer the Russian, the Soviet origin of the term gives it a more precise edge.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 03:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s Enarque?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s Enarque?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 03:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to float an idea. The French public who we are trashing as idiots for voting no for the wrong reasons, understood precisely the issue before them and voted in what the believed is their interest.

If there is to be a single state of Europe, with a single constitution, then 1). each country will eventually give up its national identity and 2). there will be no limit on companies, jobs and people moving around and diluting the economic and cultural relationships that each heretofore soverign state has had. 

The French nomenklatura, thought nothing of these issues. They assumed that they would be on the horse riding it. Their belief in the superiority and rationality of French culture is unshakeable. 

The lower orders are terrified, they have seen the muslim invasion and the crime and social chaos that it has spawned, they know how vulnerable their 35 hour/wk 46 wk/yr sinecures are. They wanted to stand athwart history and yell stop. And they did. 

Those of us who are anglo-saxon, and even worse chicago boys, understand that the EU&#039;s real problem is its insufficent liberalism. The French lower orders are as hysterically afraid of liberalism and what it would do them and their culture, as the most millitant islamist. And they are not wrong, although on a human level they want  for courage and faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to float an idea. The French public who we are trashing as idiots for voting no for the wrong reasons, understood precisely the issue before them and voted in what the believed is their interest.</p>
<p>If there is to be a single state of Europe, with a single constitution, then 1). each country will eventually give up its national identity and 2). there will be no limit on companies, jobs and people moving around and diluting the economic and cultural relationships that each heretofore soverign state has had. </p>
<p>The French nomenklatura, thought nothing of these issues. They assumed that they would be on the horse riding it. Their belief in the superiority and rationality of French culture is unshakeable. </p>
<p>The lower orders are terrified, they have seen the muslim invasion and the crime and social chaos that it has spawned, they know how vulnerable their 35 hour/wk 46 wk/yr sinecures are. They wanted to stand athwart history and yell stop. And they did. </p>
<p>Those of us who are anglo-saxon, and even worse chicago boys, understand that the EU&#8217;s real problem is its insufficent liberalism. The French lower orders are as hysterically afraid of liberalism and what it would do them and their culture, as the most millitant islamist. And they are not wrong, although on a human level they want  for courage and faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 01:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the writer meant the term &quot;neocon&quot; to be pejorative. It is not a neutral term anywhere and never really has been.  I am sure it is used to smear and discredit at all times.  When it was introduced in the first place it was meant to smear and discredit Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz.  Essentially it was a way for liberals to call those guys &quot;traitors&quot;. Irving turned the tables by adopting the label and thereby depriving it of its power to wound.  

But who cares, really?  If it means in some general way &quot;conservative who supports Bush and his war and is pro-capitalism&quot;, that is pretty accurate. 

All is forgiven for quoting me accurately to a big audience I could never have reached on my own.

As my grandfather used to say, call me what you want, but call me for dinner.  Call me what you want, but spread my views -- that works, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the writer meant the term &#8220;neocon&#8221; to be pejorative. It is not a neutral term anywhere and never really has been.  I am sure it is used to smear and discredit at all times.  When it was introduced in the first place it was meant to smear and discredit Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz.  Essentially it was a way for liberals to call those guys &#8220;traitors&#8221;. Irving turned the tables by adopting the label and thereby depriving it of its power to wound.  </p>
<p>But who cares, really?  If it means in some general way &#8220;conservative who supports Bush and his war and is pro-capitalism&#8221;, that is pretty accurate. </p>
<p>All is forgiven for quoting me accurately to a big audience I could never have reached on my own.</p>
<p>As my grandfather used to say, call me what you want, but call me for dinner.  Call me what you want, but spread my views &#8212; that works, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3208.html/comment-page-2#comment-12460</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 01:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lex, I think Sandy&#039;s point is that by calling you a neo conservative they are trying to smear and discredit you, as the term &quot;neo conservative&quot; is pejorative in Europe. It is irrelevant that the same term is neutral here; what matters is that a European journalist used a pejorative term to characterize you. I think that this point is worth noting, and should not be brushed off merely because the term means something else here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lex, I think Sandy&#8217;s point is that by calling you a neo conservative they are trying to smear and discredit you, as the term &#8220;neo conservative&#8221; is pejorative in Europe. It is irrelevant that the same term is neutral here; what matters is that a European journalist used a pejorative term to characterize you. I think that this point is worth noting, and should not be brushed off merely because the term means something else here.</p>
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		<title>By: Sulaiman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sulaiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 01:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks - I have been called a NC and I am a Sunni Muslim.  Ahmad Chalabi is a Shiite Muslim and also happens to be a NC (and a UC grad).  I honestly think the association between political and religious identities has broke down in America.  Is Arnold Jewish?  Condi Rice?  GWBush? Rumsfeld? Cheney?  Reagan (the man got divorced and was not close to his kids ... hardly qualifies as an RC)?  Meawhile, there are plenty of Democratic Jews who can&#039;t stand the NCs.

Religio-political identity belongs to the killing fields of the Middle East, not 21st century America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks &#8211; I have been called a NC and I am a Sunni Muslim.  Ahmad Chalabi is a Shiite Muslim and also happens to be a NC (and a UC grad).  I honestly think the association between political and religious identities has broke down in America.  Is Arnold Jewish?  Condi Rice?  GWBush? Rumsfeld? Cheney?  Reagan (the man got divorced and was not close to his kids &#8230; hardly qualifies as an RC)?  Meawhile, there are plenty of Democratic Jews who can&#8217;t stand the NCs.</p>
<p>Religio-political identity belongs to the killing fields of the Middle East, not 21st century America.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3208.html/comment-page-2#comment-12458</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 01:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Sandy is probably right.</description>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 01:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they hate neocons and call me a neocon, in the words of my hero Franklin Delano Roosevelt, &quot;I welcome their hatred.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they hate neocons and call me a neocon, in the words of my hero Franklin Delano Roosevelt, &#8220;I welcome their hatred.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy P</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3208.html/comment-page-2#comment-12456</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 00:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think so.  I was called an &quot;NC&quot; in a discussion w/a European.

I pointed out that since I&#039;m not Jewish and have always been a conservative, if one was going to use labels, at least know what you&#039;re talking about.

That term was deliberately chosen to label and discredit you. That term&#039;s been used for a couple of years now and you know what image it&#039;s supposed  to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think so.  I was called an &#8220;NC&#8221; in a discussion w/a European.</p>
<p>I pointed out that since I&#8217;m not Jewish and have always been a conservative, if one was going to use labels, at least know what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>That term was deliberately chosen to label and discredit you. That term&#8217;s been used for a couple of years now and you know what image it&#8217;s supposed  to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy P</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3208.html/comment-page-2#comment-12455</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 00:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Via EURSOC, talking about the winners and losers of the vote:

...France&#039;s Mainstream Media, however, will always be tainted by this campaign. Rarely has the media been so united in its activism - a yes vote was urged, both blatantly and obliquely, by pretty much every outlet. Some journalists on state television even started a petition to complain about bias - an unprecedented event in French broadcasting. Along with the build up to the invasion of Iraq and the presidential run-off between Jean-Marie Le Pen and Chirac, the referendum will be remembered as a disturbing example of Soviet-style uniformity among France&#039;s supposedly independent press and broadcasters.

The media&#039;s inability to persuade will probably disturb its members more than its uniformity. For six months it has supported the nation&#039;s cultural, political and (a rare one, here) business elite in highlighting the importance of the constitution and France&#039;s position at the heart of Europe. France, for once, didn&#039;t listen. A sobering thought for many editors and broadcasters this morning....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Via EURSOC, talking about the winners and losers of the vote:</p>
<p>&#8230;France&#8217;s Mainstream Media, however, will always be tainted by this campaign. Rarely has the media been so united in its activism &#8211; a yes vote was urged, both blatantly and obliquely, by pretty much every outlet. Some journalists on state television even started a petition to complain about bias &#8211; an unprecedented event in French broadcasting. Along with the build up to the invasion of Iraq and the presidential run-off between Jean-Marie Le Pen and Chirac, the referendum will be remembered as a disturbing example of Soviet-style uniformity among France&#8217;s supposedly independent press and broadcasters.</p>
<p>The media&#8217;s inability to persuade will probably disturb its members more than its uniformity. For six months it has supported the nation&#8217;s cultural, political and (a rare one, here) business elite in highlighting the importance of the constitution and France&#8217;s position at the heart of Europe. France, for once, didn&#8217;t listen. A sobering thought for many editors and broadcasters this morning&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 00:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;m an RC.  Not neo anything.  But, what the Hell.   It&#039;s an honest mistake. And being lumped in with Kristol and Will (also not a neo) is fine by me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m an RC.  Not neo anything.  But, what the Hell.   It&#8217;s an honest mistake. And being lumped in with Kristol and Will (also not a neo) is fine by me.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 23:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--See for example (if you can read in French) www.conscience-politique.org , among others. --

Altavista&#039;s babelfish for free, rough translations, if anyone is interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;See for example (if you can read in French) <a href="http://www.conscience-politique.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.conscience-politique.org</a> , among others. &#8211;</p>
<p>Altavista&#8217;s babelfish for free, rough translations, if anyone is interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy P</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3208.html/comment-page-2#comment-12452</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 23:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonjour, Jonathan, welcome to the American blogosphere, it&#039;s quite lively around these parts.

If you really want to get an eyeful, I can&#039;t recommend Rantburg enough.  

But you need to know your stuff.

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So, Lex, she labeled you &quot;neoconservative&quot; right out of the gate, eh?

when one has to name-call, especially since you&#039;re not Jewish, IIRC.....

Oh, well, she&#039;s a &quot;journalist,&quot; she&#039;s bound to get her facts wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonjour, Jonathan, welcome to the American blogosphere, it&#8217;s quite lively around these parts.</p>
<p>If you really want to get an eyeful, I can&#8217;t recommend Rantburg enough.  </p>
<p>But you need to know your stuff.</p>
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<p>So, Lex, she labeled you &#8220;neoconservative&#8221; right out of the gate, eh?</p>
<p>when one has to name-call, especially since you&#8217;re not Jewish, IIRC&#8230;..</p>
<p>Oh, well, she&#8217;s a &#8220;journalist,&#8221; she&#8217;s bound to get her facts wrong.</p>
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