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	<title>Comments on: Did New Orleans Have to Flood?</title>
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		<title>By: Tyouth</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3441.html/comment-page-1#comment-14392</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A society that was brought to America as slaves 150 years ago&quot;

Those people are all dead, I don&#039;t think resources should be allocated to them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A society that was brought to America as slaves 150 years ago&#8221;</p>
<p>Those people are all dead, I don&#8217;t think resources should be allocated to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3441.html/comment-page-1#comment-14391</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of the comments I have read here are based on misinformation that is ridiculous to the extreme.  

For example the people of New Orleans didn&#039;t build the levees in New Orleans or the surrounding area.  They were designed and their construction was engaged and supervised by the United States Corp of Engineers, without the participation of the city or state.  

Someone commented that St Louis knows how to address the problem as &quot;they built a steel levee for a mile&quot;.  Assuming the city of St Louis built that levee (I suspect the US Corps of Engineers designed and funded that one also) its a lot different situation altogether.  The New Orleans area is composed of several parishes(counties). Orleans Parish alone which accounts for half of the population of what people generally think of as New Orleans, has more than 150 miles of levees by itself. 
A project of the scale to rebuild levees to make the citizens of a city safe is way beyond the financial ability of any city and sits within the realm of the United States Government in the same manner that every major waterway diversion project, or highway construction for that matter is only able to be addressed on United States Government scale.

Finally as the the issue of public corruption:  Its a problem everywhere,but in Louisiana concerted efforts have been ongoing for years to bring it to the surface, publicize and prosecute aggressively.  New Orleans has one of the best and most aggressive United States Attorneys in the country. In testimony before the United States Congress last month, Louisiana&#039;s Lieutenant Governor presented documentation that there were more charges of public corruption in the states of six of the members of Congress that sat on the committee reviewing the need for Katrina funding than there was in Louisiana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the comments I have read here are based on misinformation that is ridiculous to the extreme.  </p>
<p>For example the people of New Orleans didn&#8217;t build the levees in New Orleans or the surrounding area.  They were designed and their construction was engaged and supervised by the United States Corp of Engineers, without the participation of the city or state.  </p>
<p>Someone commented that St Louis knows how to address the problem as &#8220;they built a steel levee for a mile&#8221;.  Assuming the city of St Louis built that levee (I suspect the US Corps of Engineers designed and funded that one also) its a lot different situation altogether.  The New Orleans area is composed of several parishes(counties). Orleans Parish alone which accounts for half of the population of what people generally think of as New Orleans, has more than 150 miles of levees by itself.<br />
A project of the scale to rebuild levees to make the citizens of a city safe is way beyond the financial ability of any city and sits within the realm of the United States Government in the same manner that every major waterway diversion project, or highway construction for that matter is only able to be addressed on United States Government scale.</p>
<p>Finally as the the issue of public corruption:  Its a problem everywhere,but in Louisiana concerted efforts have been ongoing for years to bring it to the surface, publicize and prosecute aggressively.  New Orleans has one of the best and most aggressive United States Attorneys in the country. In testimony before the United States Congress last month, Louisiana&#8217;s Lieutenant Governor presented documentation that there were more charges of public corruption in the states of six of the members of Congress that sat on the committee reviewing the need for Katrina funding than there was in Louisiana.</p>
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		<title>By: r l mac halik</title>
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		<dc:creator>r l mac halik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actualy, in 1997 the core of engineers were to bring the levies up to a heigher standard until the seria club filed a lawsuit and stopped the project. They demanded an environmental study first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actualy, in 1997 the core of engineers were to bring the levies up to a heigher standard until the seria club filed a lawsuit and stopped the project. They demanded an environmental study first.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenyon Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenyon Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, tack on &quot;hurricane katrina&quot;, you might end up with something other than what you wanted to find</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, tack on &#8220;hurricane katrina&#8221;, you might end up with something other than what you wanted to find</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maureen, do your Google searches with &quot; -katrina&quot; tacked on at the end and you might have more luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maureen, do your Google searches with &#8221; -katrina&#8221; tacked on at the end and you might have more luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon2</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3441.html/comment-page-1#comment-14387</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it was human error.

http://solomon2.blogspot.com/2005/09/on-levees-of-new-orleans.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it was human error.</p>
<p><a href="http://solomon2.blogspot.com/2005/09/on-levees-of-new-orleans.html" rel="nofollow">http://solomon2.blogspot.com/2005/09/on-levees-of-new-orleans.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kenyon Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenyon Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still wondering about the evacuation plan that New Orleans was supposed to have for people without a means to escape. I keep hearing about all of these school buses that were to be used. Whom was actually supposed to be the drivers of these buses? I would think most of these bus drivers drove their own families to safety when the evacuation order was given. I know I would have put my families safety first. Plus with a mass exodus from New Orleans, the roads and all lodgings in Baton Rouge were overwhelmed. Where were the relief and rescue personnel going to stay? Many people from the New Orleans area were forced to leave Baton Rouge area hotels because relief organizations had reserved all of the rooms for rescue efforts. I personally cannot place blame on any politicial,governmental, charitable or commercial entity for the relief efforts put     forth after this massive hurricane. But I do believe that a serious investigation into the reason the levees broke and all enties involved in the system should be made by sources outside the local government. The Corps of Engineers should take over the levee system and the local levee board should be abolished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still wondering about the evacuation plan that New Orleans was supposed to have for people without a means to escape. I keep hearing about all of these school buses that were to be used. Whom was actually supposed to be the drivers of these buses? I would think most of these bus drivers drove their own families to safety when the evacuation order was given. I know I would have put my families safety first. Plus with a mass exodus from New Orleans, the roads and all lodgings in Baton Rouge were overwhelmed. Where were the relief and rescue personnel going to stay? Many people from the New Orleans area were forced to leave Baton Rouge area hotels because relief organizations had reserved all of the rooms for rescue efforts. I personally cannot place blame on any politicial,governmental, charitable or commercial entity for the relief efforts put     forth after this massive hurricane. But I do believe that a serious investigation into the reason the levees broke and all enties involved in the system should be made by sources outside the local government. The Corps of Engineers should take over the levee system and the local levee board should be abolished.</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen P. Hedigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen P. Hedigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To: David Johnson…..</p>
<p>First, was your family able to get out in time and are they all ok?  Secondly, I am trying to find “Louisiana Hayride” so I can be more up to speed on the history and the prognostication of what has become their current dilemma. I have tried repeatedly to get objective information (pre-Katrina) regarding the allegedly corrupt “elected” political officials and some history from only as far back as Huey Long (it appears he is infamous and I must have missed that day in History class) to see where this whole city went awry….to no avail…everything I have located so far has an agenda and already has Katrina in the “history” portion….</p>
<p> I am of the thinking that the state of Louisiana is accountable for what transpires good and bad in their state….it is always disturbing to see the blame game played in these types of “after the fact” situations….heads should NOT roll just to appease the apparent “mob mentality” of our American public…</p>
<p>I know how important free speech is to our country (our forefathers are surely turning in their grave on that one), however, the media in its typical self-serving fashion has managed to fall short of reporting factual and objective news (there is a distinct gleam in their eye as they report about a tragedy that clearly could have been averted by the Louisiana political  officials – how do they sleep at night, knowing they are contributing to the fear of those affected)….unfortunately, many people believe them and fall prey to this “brainwashing”, if you will, when it is propaganda at its lowest form.</p>
<p>Maureen P. Hedigan….from Florida (another Hurricane state…..)</p>
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		<title>By: John Nelson</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3441.html/comment-page-1#comment-14384</link>
		<dc:creator>John Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While watching TV yesterday, the president of the Red Cross said that they were prepared to go in with medical help, food, water and other essentials, but were prevented from coming in by the LOUISIANA Homeland Security dept, note this is not the federal homeland security. Their reason was they wanted the people not to stay in the area but to evacuate away from the area, which makes sense in a way.  But, how can the Louisiana governor and the New Orleans mayor blame Pres Bush, FEMA and Homeland Security for not bringing help and supplies in, when their own dept in charge of disaster would not let the premier disaster relief organization, the RED Cross in. Also, why did not the governor and N O mayor iniate their disaster plan that was brought up to date last july. part of that plan was to evacuate those who had no means or were disabled by the city&#039;s school buses. I saw one picture on TV where approx 100 school buses were all lined up in neat rows in about eight foot of water. Why were there police vehicles left to be flooded where the police had to commandeer private vehicles. Would not common sense tell you to have these vehicles taken to higher ground, after you supposedly used them to evacuate the people of N O. How can the governor and mayor have the nerve to go on TV and blame others when they themselves did nothing of their disaster plan. I hate to be so damn cynical at a time like this, but maybe, just maybe, they knew there was going to be all this disaster aid coming in that would replace a lot of their equipment.  Why not, it has worked in the years before. Same way with the levee system, we can use the monies that were to be used on the levees on building gambling establishments, we can just tell the federal government that we used all the levee money up and we need some more, everyone knows that the feds don&#039;t check up on where the money is spent. I would be very curious to know just how much federal and state monies were allotted to the levees in he last twenty years. I think we will find there was enough to build a wall a hundred feet high and a new lexus for every NO ciy official. I&#039;m sorry, but when I see how those poor people of NO were treated by their elected officials, who did&#039;nt even have the decency to try and evacuate them before the hurricane.  Look at Mississippi, they got wiped out, haven&#039;t got near the help, but seem to have things in control. what a difference in leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While watching TV yesterday, the president of the Red Cross said that they were prepared to go in with medical help, food, water and other essentials, but were prevented from coming in by the LOUISIANA Homeland Security dept, note this is not the federal homeland security. Their reason was they wanted the people not to stay in the area but to evacuate away from the area, which makes sense in a way.  But, how can the Louisiana governor and the New Orleans mayor blame Pres Bush, FEMA and Homeland Security for not bringing help and supplies in, when their own dept in charge of disaster would not let the premier disaster relief organization, the RED Cross in. Also, why did not the governor and N O mayor iniate their disaster plan that was brought up to date last july. part of that plan was to evacuate those who had no means or were disabled by the city&#8217;s school buses. I saw one picture on TV where approx 100 school buses were all lined up in neat rows in about eight foot of water. Why were there police vehicles left to be flooded where the police had to commandeer private vehicles. Would not common sense tell you to have these vehicles taken to higher ground, after you supposedly used them to evacuate the people of N O. How can the governor and mayor have the nerve to go on TV and blame others when they themselves did nothing of their disaster plan. I hate to be so damn cynical at a time like this, but maybe, just maybe, they knew there was going to be all this disaster aid coming in that would replace a lot of their equipment.  Why not, it has worked in the years before. Same way with the levee system, we can use the monies that were to be used on the levees on building gambling establishments, we can just tell the federal government that we used all the levee money up and we need some more, everyone knows that the feds don&#8217;t check up on where the money is spent. I would be very curious to know just how much federal and state monies were allotted to the levees in he last twenty years. I think we will find there was enough to build a wall a hundred feet high and a new lexus for every NO ciy official. I&#8217;m sorry, but when I see how those poor people of NO were treated by their elected officials, who did&#8217;nt even have the decency to try and evacuate them before the hurricane.  Look at Mississippi, they got wiped out, haven&#8217;t got near the help, but seem to have things in control. what a difference in leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenyon Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenyon Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Orleans was founded upon the first bit of dry land above the mouth of the Mississippi river. And guess who owned this property - the Founder of New Orleans. Developers were crooked 300 years ago just as they always have been and still are today. Notice that the original parts of New Orleans did not flood even with the back levees breaking. The New Orleans Levee Board needs to be abolished and a Federalized system instituted. As far as re-building New Orleans lets let the Insurance Industry decide without Government backing as to what can be re-built. I live in Baton Rouge, LA and we are overwhelmed with hurricane victims from New Orleans and I hope we can help them in any way possible but I can just imagine in my mind the developers (lawyers, real-estate people, banks, etc) just chomping at the bit to make a killing off of these poor people and the federal government. All rental properties in our Parish have been rented at a premium and from what I&#039;m told all real-estate for sale has been sold at a premium. There is now talk of a building boom getting ready to take off in our Parish. But I must tell you that 40% of East Baton Rouge Parish land lies in a flood zone and most of the vacant land available for new construction lies in the flood zone. Please let us put a stop to this nonsense of trading one flood zone for another. As you probably know all flood insurance payments are paid out by the federal government not insurance companies. Plus building on the 40% of the Parish that does flood will lead to major flooding in the 60% of the Parish that previously did not flood. This should be against the law and STOPPED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Orleans was founded upon the first bit of dry land above the mouth of the Mississippi river. And guess who owned this property &#8211; the Founder of New Orleans. Developers were crooked 300 years ago just as they always have been and still are today. Notice that the original parts of New Orleans did not flood even with the back levees breaking. The New Orleans Levee Board needs to be abolished and a Federalized system instituted. As far as re-building New Orleans lets let the Insurance Industry decide without Government backing as to what can be re-built. I live in Baton Rouge, LA and we are overwhelmed with hurricane victims from New Orleans and I hope we can help them in any way possible but I can just imagine in my mind the developers (lawyers, real-estate people, banks, etc) just chomping at the bit to make a killing off of these poor people and the federal government. All rental properties in our Parish have been rented at a premium and from what I&#8217;m told all real-estate for sale has been sold at a premium. There is now talk of a building boom getting ready to take off in our Parish. But I must tell you that 40% of East Baton Rouge Parish land lies in a flood zone and most of the vacant land available for new construction lies in the flood zone. Please let us put a stop to this nonsense of trading one flood zone for another. As you probably know all flood insurance payments are paid out by the federal government not insurance companies. Plus building on the 40% of the Parish that does flood will lead to major flooding in the 60% of the Parish that previously did not flood. This should be against the law and STOPPED.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>f.c,

1) African-Americans are not a separate society. They are Americans. Your soft-racism is showing. 

2) No levee will protect against a Cat 4 or 5. The city was doomed to flood eventually and building more levees just lures more people into the danger zones. In addition, the levees destroy the surrounding ecology making the city more vulnerable to storm damage. 

3) American deals with at least one major disaster every year. We handle these events on routine basis better than anyone else. If the president was a democrat the picture you get of the Federal response in the media would be much different. 

I will remember that you would choose to live in a police state without the most basic freedoms rather that risk a war and the chance for freedom and democracy. But just because you would make that choice for yourself don&#039;t assume that the people of Iraq have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>f.c,</p>
<p>1) African-Americans are not a separate society. They are Americans. Your soft-racism is showing. </p>
<p>2) No levee will protect against a Cat 4 or 5. The city was doomed to flood eventually and building more levees just lures more people into the danger zones. In addition, the levees destroy the surrounding ecology making the city more vulnerable to storm damage. </p>
<p>3) American deals with at least one major disaster every year. We handle these events on routine basis better than anyone else. If the president was a democrat the picture you get of the Federal response in the media would be much different. </p>
<p>I will remember that you would choose to live in a police state without the most basic freedoms rather that risk a war and the chance for freedom and democracy. But just because you would make that choice for yourself don&#8217;t assume that the people of Iraq have.</p>
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		<title>By: mariana</title>
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		<dc:creator>mariana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2005 00:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>david henderson, do you have a link describing the appointment of said cocaine dealer?  I want to read more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>david henderson, do you have a link describing the appointment of said cocaine dealer?  I want to read more.</p>
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		<title>By: Fc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad fact is that resources should first be invested in:

1. A society that was brought to America as slaves still a century and half ago.

2. An adequate systems levies and dikes such as the steel one in St. Louis.

3. True emergency relief funding.

All this before putting tens of billions into the immoral Irak war where another city was lost and thousands have died for oil/economic reasons.

Too many mistakes too many deaths too much waste - the USA should start to meditate on what it is doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad fact is that resources should first be invested in:</p>
<p>1. A society that was brought to America as slaves still a century and half ago.</p>
<p>2. An adequate systems levies and dikes such as the steel one in St. Louis.</p>
<p>3. True emergency relief funding.</p>
<p>All this before putting tens of billions into the immoral Irak war where another city was lost and thousands have died for oil/economic reasons.</p>
<p>Too many mistakes too many deaths too much waste &#8211; the USA should start to meditate on what it is doing.</p>
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		<title>By: david henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>david henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Dad lives in north Louisiana where Gov. Blaco  managed to find a cocaine dealer to head up the Louisiana goverment ethics group, not sure of the actual name of the group. It seems that when Blanco got in, it was business as usual in the seedy world of Louisiana politics. Mayor Nagin who swore he was going to get some reform through  even endorsed the Republican nominee for Gov. instead of the crook Blanco. Maybe this disaster will wake up the people of LA as the book Louisiana Hayride suggested would one day happen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Dad lives in north Louisiana where Gov. Blaco  managed to find a cocaine dealer to head up the Louisiana goverment ethics group, not sure of the actual name of the group. It seems that when Blanco got in, it was business as usual in the seedy world of Louisiana politics. Mayor Nagin who swore he was going to get some reform through  even endorsed the Republican nominee for Gov. instead of the crook Blanco. Maybe this disaster will wake up the people of LA as the book Louisiana Hayride suggested would one day happen</p>
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		<title>By: John Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On sat sep 3, on the Neal Cavuto show, one of the guest made the statement that the N.O. Levee commission has used monies that were to be used on the levees to build three gambling establishments and also gave monies for friends business ventures.  The man seemed to very certain of his info. Of course, the hosts quickly went to other subjects instead of focusing on this info and asking more about it. I really don&#039;t doubt it with the world famous corruptness of N.O. politicians. I also read where the Louisiana governor stated that Pres Bush made a personal plea to her and the N.O. mayor to please make a mandatory evacuation of the city the day before. Why wasn&#039;t governor and the mayor using the city and school buses to go in and evacuate the city. There has been millions and millions of taxpayer dollars given to the N.O. through the last few decades for the levees, but it has been pilfered away by the corrupt politicians. Now, there is going to be billions of dollars given to the governor of Louisiana to spend as they seem fit for the disaster. I for one, am getting tired of paying for something over and over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On sat sep 3, on the Neal Cavuto show, one of the guest made the statement that the N.O. Levee commission has used monies that were to be used on the levees to build three gambling establishments and also gave monies for friends business ventures.  The man seemed to very certain of his info. Of course, the hosts quickly went to other subjects instead of focusing on this info and asking more about it. I really don&#8217;t doubt it with the world famous corruptness of N.O. politicians. I also read where the Louisiana governor stated that Pres Bush made a personal plea to her and the N.O. mayor to please make a mandatory evacuation of the city the day before. Why wasn&#8217;t governor and the mayor using the city and school buses to go in and evacuate the city. There has been millions and millions of taxpayer dollars given to the N.O. through the last few decades for the levees, but it has been pilfered away by the corrupt politicians. Now, there is going to be billions of dollars given to the governor of Louisiana to spend as they seem fit for the disaster. I for one, am getting tired of paying for something over and over.</p>
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		<title>By: GRANDMA5</title>
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		<dc:creator>GRANDMA5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2005 04:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HAVE READ YOUR COMMENTS AND I TRULY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU.  YOU ARE MISINFORMED AND NOT ONE OF YOU MENTIONED THE VICTIMS.  PRAY THAT NONE OF YOU WILL EVER BE VICTIMS OF SUCH A TRAGEDY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HAVE READ YOUR COMMENTS AND I TRULY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU.  YOU ARE MISINFORMED AND NOT ONE OF YOU MENTIONED THE VICTIMS.  PRAY THAT NONE OF YOU WILL EVER BE VICTIMS OF SUCH A TRAGEDY.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 18:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MAYBE someone could enlighten me more about the purpose of the levies.  Why did the city feel the need to divert the water somewhere else?  Why not just let the water do what it does and build the nearest city back from the farthest point of where the water recedes?  I cannot figure out why anyone would monkey around with a river unless it was to be a power source.  Instead of building a levy around a bowl, why not let the bowl fill and build around that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAYBE someone could enlighten me more about the purpose of the levies.  Why did the city feel the need to divert the water somewhere else?  Why not just let the water do what it does and build the nearest city back from the farthest point of where the water recedes?  I cannot figure out why anyone would monkey around with a river unless it was to be a power source.  Instead of building a levy around a bowl, why not let the bowl fill and build around that?</p>
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		<title>By: Arc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 13:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall only 1 source that predicted this result as Katrina made the N.E turn so the eye would pass to the east of N.O. While others were once more celebrating &quot;been there, drank to that&quot;, and broadcasting the good news that once again N.O. would be spared a direct hit and could relax.
ONLY Joe Bascardi(sp?)with AccuWeather
http://home.accuweather.com 
accurately predicted exactly what was going to happen as the east eyewall passed and all the water pushed up the River into the Lake would be forced into the city when the wind shifted to the south. The levees were not simply breached by high water, they were forced open.
Look at the number of school busses parked in flood water that could have been put into service by the mayor and an evacuation ordered in the projects where so many were plucked.
Corruption: the Levee Board owned airplanes,part of an airport,gambling interests and loaned millions to &quot;friends&quot;.
See also:
http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2001-08-28/politics.html
http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/metro/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1124609540289150.xml
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/1998/April/168.htm.html

Perhaps it was wise for the current administration to &quot;cut-back&quot; on funding, since it seems little was ever going to be used to build or shore up levees!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall only 1 source that predicted this result as Katrina made the N.E turn so the eye would pass to the east of N.O. While others were once more celebrating &#8220;been there, drank to that&#8221;, and broadcasting the good news that once again N.O. would be spared a direct hit and could relax.<br />
ONLY Joe Bascardi(sp?)with AccuWeather<br />
<a href="http://home.accuweather.com" rel="nofollow">http://home.accuweather.com</a><br />
accurately predicted exactly what was going to happen as the east eyewall passed and all the water pushed up the River into the Lake would be forced into the city when the wind shifted to the south. The levees were not simply breached by high water, they were forced open.<br />
Look at the number of school busses parked in flood water that could have been put into service by the mayor and an evacuation ordered in the projects where so many were plucked.<br />
Corruption: the Levee Board owned airplanes,part of an airport,gambling interests and loaned millions to &#8220;friends&#8221;.<br />
See also:<br />
<a href="http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2001-08-28/politics.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2001-08-28/politics.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/metro/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1124609540289150.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/metro/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1124609540289150.xml</a><br />
<a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/1998/April/168.htm.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/1998/April/168.htm.html</a></p>
<p>Perhaps it was wise for the current administration to &#8220;cut-back&#8221; on funding, since it seems little was ever going to be used to build or shore up levees!</p>
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		<title>By: Inge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think praising the Dutch now won&#039;t make any difference. The city is flooded and arguing about Dutch engineering versus politics doesn&#039;t really help. Just my two cents.

But to comment on the Dutch dike system: most of our dikes are designed to protect us against the North Sea. That are the dikes people seem to talk about.

We have also river dikes who are much smaller, still higher as the levees, but that&#039;s because the rivers&#039; waterlevel rises in the winter.

There are some things you there have and we don&#039;t. For instance hurricanes. Dutch enigneers doubt if dutch dikes would withstand a category 4 or 5 hurricane. Yes, they are designed to stop storm-surges, but the max. windspeed here is 120 km/h. And that&#039;s very rare, I myself never experienced these windspeeds. Our BFT 10-11 windspeeds are nothing compared to Katrina or other hurricanes. 
Another difference is that the Netherlands aren&#039;t sinking, New Orleans is.

So I, as someone living in Holland below sea-level think it isn&#039;t fair to compare this. Disasters of this magnetude aren&#039;t normal. It&#039;s very unlikely that these kind of things will become normal business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think praising the Dutch now won&#8217;t make any difference. The city is flooded and arguing about Dutch engineering versus politics doesn&#8217;t really help. Just my two cents.</p>
<p>But to comment on the Dutch dike system: most of our dikes are designed to protect us against the North Sea. That are the dikes people seem to talk about.</p>
<p>We have also river dikes who are much smaller, still higher as the levees, but that&#8217;s because the rivers&#8217; waterlevel rises in the winter.</p>
<p>There are some things you there have and we don&#8217;t. For instance hurricanes. Dutch enigneers doubt if dutch dikes would withstand a category 4 or 5 hurricane. Yes, they are designed to stop storm-surges, but the max. windspeed here is 120 km/h. And that&#8217;s very rare, I myself never experienced these windspeeds. Our BFT 10-11 windspeeds are nothing compared to Katrina or other hurricanes.<br />
Another difference is that the Netherlands aren&#8217;t sinking, New Orleans is.</p>
<p>So I, as someone living in Holland below sea-level think it isn&#8217;t fair to compare this. Disasters of this magnetude aren&#8217;t normal. It&#8217;s very unlikely that these kind of things will become normal business.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because once you&#039;re comfortable with a commodity supplier there is little reason to switch suppliers absent a supply disruption. And because it may be prudent to diversify your sources if your main supplier proves to be more vulnerable to disruptions than you anticipated. 

(Note that I am talking about shipping, not production, disruptions. Of course grain is largely fungible, but an increase in the perceived unreliability of US shipping makes it rational for overseas buyers to diversify their sources of supply.)

And of course we will have to wait and see what actually happens. Maybe the analyst I cited is too pessimistic. His argument seems plausible to me, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because once you&#8217;re comfortable with a commodity supplier there is little reason to switch suppliers absent a supply disruption. And because it may be prudent to diversify your sources if your main supplier proves to be more vulnerable to disruptions than you anticipated. </p>
<p>(Note that I am talking about shipping, not production, disruptions. Of course grain is largely fungible, but an increase in the perceived unreliability of US shipping makes it rational for overseas buyers to diversify their sources of supply.)</p>
<p>And of course we will have to wait and see what actually happens. Maybe the analyst I cited is too pessimistic. His argument seems plausible to me, however.</p>
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