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	<title>Comments on: Risk, Hindsight and Mass Evacuations</title>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3461.html/comment-page-1#comment-15408</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The principal difference between liberals and conservatives in US is that liberals trust government and distrust people (aka the masses, the mob, the underclasses, the proles, uneducated and unwashed, etc) BUT conservatives distrust government (adjectives are corrupt, bureaucratic, self-seeking, incompetent, etc) but trust people
(aka citizens, entreprenuers, wage earners, ordinary hard-working, decent people).


Bureacrats and MSM tend to be liberals and view the masses as the problem.  

If you review everything written about NO, it comes down to permitting people to do the right thing.  Which is why things are going better in Mississippi.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The principal difference between liberals and conservatives in US is that liberals trust government and distrust people (aka the masses, the mob, the underclasses, the proles, uneducated and unwashed, etc) BUT conservatives distrust government (adjectives are corrupt, bureaucratic, self-seeking, incompetent, etc) but trust people<br />
(aka citizens, entreprenuers, wage earners, ordinary hard-working, decent people).</p>
<p>Bureacrats and MSM tend to be liberals and view the masses as the problem.  </p>
<p>If you review everything written about NO, it comes down to permitting people to do the right thing.  Which is why things are going better in Mississippi.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shannon,

Yes, a better handled evacuation would have saved many lives in New Orleans. But it does not seem obvious that the local political culture would have supported a better plan, or even better execution of the existing plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shannon,</p>
<p>Yes, a better handled evacuation would have saved many lives in New Orleans. But it does not seem obvious that the local political culture would have supported a better plan, or even better execution of the existing plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, Shannon, the contract between government and citizen needs a close look.  Emergencies like Katrina can tend to reflect poorly on both parties.  The whole gang at Chicagoboyz, and your thoughtful commentators, have outlined this issue well over the last week.

Funny that, in the case of the aftermath of Katrina, &quot;government&#039;s&quot; contactual integrity is being shown-up by an upstart network of internet-based, real-time information relays coupled with citizen volunteerism.

Your readers might find this interesting.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050902/ap_on_bi_ge/katrina_relief_aid_hk3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Over $200 M&lt;/a&gt; in voluntary donations have been received so far.  This is more than double the &#039;03 budget (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.doa.louisiana.gov/OPB/pub/FY05ExecBudget.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;download pdf&lt;/a&gt;) for Loisiana&#039;s Department of Economic Development (actual &#039;03 budget:  $99,731,105).

Then, visiting &lt;a href=&quot;http://timblair.net/ posted 09/01&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tim Blair&#039;s blog&lt;/a&gt; this morning I noticed that he posted a link to Apple&#039;s innovative donation funnel:  its popular  &lt;b&gt;iTunes&lt;/b&gt; main page.  Blair writes,

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;UPDATE. Reader Jeremy Garrett sends some easy donation news: &quot;... Apple set it up where people with iTunes on their computers can donate money to the Red Cross through the iTunes Music Store just like they would if they were buying a song. The donations show up on your credit card statement as a donation to charity.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Gosh, might the integration of the internet with voluntary charitable exchanges more effectively execute the will of a free society, than traditional redistributionist &quot;governance?&quot;  And should the institutions, media patrons, and others who derive from conventional, government-mediated redistribution feel a little threatened right now?
-Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, Shannon, the contract between government and citizen needs a close look.  Emergencies like Katrina can tend to reflect poorly on both parties.  The whole gang at Chicagoboyz, and your thoughtful commentators, have outlined this issue well over the last week.</p>
<p>Funny that, in the case of the aftermath of Katrina, &#8220;government&#8217;s&#8221; contactual integrity is being shown-up by an upstart network of internet-based, real-time information relays coupled with citizen volunteerism.</p>
<p>Your readers might find this interesting.  <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050902/ap_on_bi_ge/katrina_relief_aid_hk3" rel="nofollow">Over $200 M</a> in voluntary donations have been received so far.  This is more than double the &#8216;03 budget (<a href="http://www.doa.louisiana.gov/OPB/pub/FY05ExecBudget.htm" rel="nofollow">download pdf</a>) for Loisiana&#8217;s Department of Economic Development (actual &#8216;03 budget:  $99,731,105).</p>
<p>Then, visiting <a href="http://timblair.net/ posted 09/01" rel="nofollow">Tim Blair&#8217;s blog</a> this morning I noticed that he posted a link to Apple&#8217;s innovative donation funnel:  its popular  <b>iTunes</b> main page.  Blair writes,</p>
<blockquote><p><i>UPDATE. Reader Jeremy Garrett sends some easy donation news: &#8220;&#8230; Apple set it up where people with iTunes on their computers can donate money to the Red Cross through the iTunes Music Store just like they would if they were buying a song. The donations show up on your credit card statement as a donation to charity.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Gosh, might the integration of the internet with voluntary charitable exchanges more effectively execute the will of a free society, than traditional redistributionist &#8220;governance?&#8221;  And should the institutions, media patrons, and others who derive from conventional, government-mediated redistribution feel a little threatened right now?<br />
-Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 15:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are always those who choose not to evacuate in any given emergency. Basically, this a choice we have the right to make by virtue of being a free people. 

I think many people are unclear on what a mandatory evacuation really means. The state has no authority to order people to abandon their homes and property.  No one will herd you safety at gunpoint. A mandatory evacuation order is an explicit statement that anybody left in the area when the disaster hits will be on their own. Conditions are expected to be so bad that nobody can expect outside help. Everybody in Hurricane country understands this. 

Anyone who could leave with their own resources but chooses not to accepts the consequences of their actions. The question is what to do with those who want to leave but do not have the resources to do so? It is this second group that relies on the state to evacuate them. 

People in nursing homes, especially those who are poor or without families, would be an exemplar of this second group. Emergency planners know for a fact, long before any particular emergency, that these people will need outside assistance. Worse, the government had committed to providing evacuations to such people in its emergency plans. A tacit contract existed. People without resources had every right to expect the government would provide for them. 

80% of the cities population evacuated on their own. If we assume that half the remaining wanted to but could not we are talking about tens of thousands of people who were trapped in the city due to the ineptitude of the local authorities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are always those who choose not to evacuate in any given emergency. Basically, this a choice we have the right to make by virtue of being a free people. </p>
<p>I think many people are unclear on what a mandatory evacuation really means. The state has no authority to order people to abandon their homes and property.  No one will herd you safety at gunpoint. A mandatory evacuation order is an explicit statement that anybody left in the area when the disaster hits will be on their own. Conditions are expected to be so bad that nobody can expect outside help. Everybody in Hurricane country understands this. </p>
<p>Anyone who could leave with their own resources but chooses not to accepts the consequences of their actions. The question is what to do with those who want to leave but do not have the resources to do so? It is this second group that relies on the state to evacuate them. </p>
<p>People in nursing homes, especially those who are poor or without families, would be an exemplar of this second group. Emergency planners know for a fact, long before any particular emergency, that these people will need outside assistance. Worse, the government had committed to providing evacuations to such people in its emergency plans. A tacit contract existed. People without resources had every right to expect the government would provide for them. </p>
<p>80% of the cities population evacuated on their own. If we assume that half the remaining wanted to but could not we are talking about tens of thousands of people who were trapped in the city due to the ineptitude of the local authorities.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 13:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnathan, you&#039;re my man: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Perhaps, in the long run, the evacuation model of hurricane civil defense...will be supplanted by increased emphasis on citizen self-reliance during emergencies.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If each adult had the consequences of their choices piled on their own shoulders, then individuals, and society as a whole, would adapt properly to all new challenges, even oncoming disasters.  A self-determining responsible citizenry, informed in advance by an accurate warning system, will respond rationally, or should be forced to accept the actual costs of not acting.

Our decentralized federal system relies on the local authorities, and finally, local individuals, to take action in response to local stimuli in order to insulate distant others from bearing the costs of the few&#039;s follies.  The idolatry of a &quot;central government&quot; and the &quot;government-mediated&quot; response absolves the &quot;believing&quot; individual of her responsibility to act, and coddles the human instinct to huddle under the leaky umbrella called &quot;socialism.&quot;  In this church, &quot;Personal Responsibility&quot; and &quot;Feedback Loop&quot; are hated Anti-Christs, and their apostles are run out of town. 

A working response would make sure that government actions that subsidize repeated idiocy, like FEMA bailouts, subsidized low-interest loans for infirm real-estate purchases, local zoning regulations that induce construction in order to build property-tax revenues no matter what, are phased out.  This collective response should stress private insurance and due-diligence as the aternatives to the dependency-enabling ministrations of &quot;Mother Hen gub&#039;ment.&quot;
-Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnathan, you&#8217;re my man: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Perhaps, in the long run, the evacuation model of hurricane civil defense&#8230;will be supplanted by increased emphasis on citizen self-reliance during emergencies.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>If each adult had the consequences of their choices piled on their own shoulders, then individuals, and society as a whole, would adapt properly to all new challenges, even oncoming disasters.  A self-determining responsible citizenry, informed in advance by an accurate warning system, will respond rationally, or should be forced to accept the actual costs of not acting.</p>
<p>Our decentralized federal system relies on the local authorities, and finally, local individuals, to take action in response to local stimuli in order to insulate distant others from bearing the costs of the few&#8217;s follies.  The idolatry of a &#8220;central government&#8221; and the &#8220;government-mediated&#8221; response absolves the &#8220;believing&#8221; individual of her responsibility to act, and coddles the human instinct to huddle under the leaky umbrella called &#8220;socialism.&#8221;  In this church, &#8220;Personal Responsibility&#8221; and &#8220;Feedback Loop&#8221; are hated Anti-Christs, and their apostles are run out of town. </p>
<p>A working response would make sure that government actions that subsidize repeated idiocy, like FEMA bailouts, subsidized low-interest loans for infirm real-estate purchases, local zoning regulations that induce construction in order to build property-tax revenues no matter what, are phased out.  This collective response should stress private insurance and due-diligence as the aternatives to the dependency-enabling ministrations of &#8220;Mother Hen gub&#8217;ment.&#8221;<br />
-Steve</p>
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