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		<title>By: Dennis Clark</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15082</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry this has lost some of its interest; however, thereis one glaring result.  The central point of economics is lost.  The &quot;Budget Cutting&quot; is a very simple process; once the central point is recognized.  Economics is a decision science.  
Where I cut is part of my core decision and the process becomes simple, albeit currupted by political reality.  If I subscribe to the belief that the purpose of government is to provide benefits of freemen it is incumbment to secure that freedom that will allow freemen to act for their own welfare.  If on the otherhand I believe government should provide for the population the benefits of common everyday life I must take away some freedom to provide welfare.
I support freedom to make my own way in lifehowever hared that life may be and therefor support a strong military, secure borders and little government intervention in matters that are not their business. (school&#039;s are a local government providence and not for the national or state government except in the case of malfeasance) my budget is easily reduced following this choice.
I recognize that others have a different view of what the purpose of government is and would cut border and military thinking is best.  I recall President Clinton telling a large group of listeners that they were overtaxed; however, should the taxes be cut they would mis-spend the money.  They responded with cheers!  They sought not freedom with its hard choices but welfare with security and comfort at the expense of achievement.
This excercise is best viewed with the prism of economic choice not getting lost in the fog of if, but, then parameters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry this has lost some of its interest; however, thereis one glaring result.  The central point of economics is lost.  The &#8220;Budget Cutting&#8221; is a very simple process; once the central point is recognized.  Economics is a decision science.<br />
Where I cut is part of my core decision and the process becomes simple, albeit currupted by political reality.  If I subscribe to the belief that the purpose of government is to provide benefits of freemen it is incumbment to secure that freedom that will allow freemen to act for their own welfare.  If on the otherhand I believe government should provide for the population the benefits of common everyday life I must take away some freedom to provide welfare.<br />
I support freedom to make my own way in lifehowever hared that life may be and therefor support a strong military, secure borders and little government intervention in matters that are not their business. (school&#8217;s are a local government providence and not for the national or state government except in the case of malfeasance) my budget is easily reduced following this choice.<br />
I recognize that others have a different view of what the purpose of government is and would cut border and military thinking is best.  I recall President Clinton telling a large group of listeners that they were overtaxed; however, should the taxes be cut they would mis-spend the money.  They responded with cheers!  They sought not freedom with its hard choices but welfare with security and comfort at the expense of achievement.<br />
This excercise is best viewed with the prism of economic choice not getting lost in the fog of if, but, then parameters.</p>
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		<title>By: Evolving Excellence</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15088</link>
		<dc:creator>Evolving Excellence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Lean Government - Reduce Size, Pork, or Waste?&lt;/strong&gt;

The Gemba Panta Rei blog has an interesting post on lean government, specifically discussing the successes at the postal services in Denmark and Canada. Japan has also embarked on a lean postal service project, aided by senseis from Toyota. This
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Lean Government &#8211; Reduce Size, Pork, or Waste?</strong></p>
<p>The Gemba Panta Rei blog has an interesting post on lean government, specifically discussing the successes at the postal services in Denmark and Canada. Japan has also embarked on a lean postal service project, aided by senseis from Toyota. This</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15081</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fazal Majid,

I don&#039;t think we disagree. As a practical matter, I think the surest way to reduce govt debt, and debt servicing expenses, as a fraction of GDP, is to reduce the overall level of government spending. In theory government functionaries may invest money as productively as private individuals do, but I think it&#039;s rarely true in practice. 

&lt;i&gt;Procedural safeguards are no substitute for political will and old-fashioned fiscal discipline.&lt;/i&gt;

Of course nothing will change for the better without the political will to do so. I hope that the Internet will facilitate creation of voter coalitions that can nudge legislators in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fazal Majid,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we disagree. As a practical matter, I think the surest way to reduce govt debt, and debt servicing expenses, as a fraction of GDP, is to reduce the overall level of government spending. In theory government functionaries may invest money as productively as private individuals do, but I think it&#8217;s rarely true in practice. </p>
<p><i>Procedural safeguards are no substitute for political will and old-fashioned fiscal discipline.</i></p>
<p>Of course nothing will change for the better without the political will to do so. I hope that the Internet will facilitate creation of voter coalitions that can nudge legislators in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasyn Jones</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15080</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasyn Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon: &quot;The problem is energy for transport. i.e. liquid fuels.

Nuclear power for energy independence is a non-sequitur. i.e. a solution for the wrong problem.&quot;

Not quite true.  Hydrogen/oxygen fuel cells, used for transportation, require supplies of hydrogen and oxygen gas.  Such supplies are produced by running an electrical current through water.  Said electrical current coming from where?  A nuclear power plant.  

Practical hydro/oxy fuel cells require increased electrical production, the most efficient source of which is nuclear power.

Of course, this is predicated on the assumption that such fuel cells will become practical.  As of yet, they are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon: &#8220;The problem is energy for transport. i.e. liquid fuels.</p>
<p>Nuclear power for energy independence is a non-sequitur. i.e. a solution for the wrong problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not quite true.  Hydrogen/oxygen fuel cells, used for transportation, require supplies of hydrogen and oxygen gas.  Such supplies are produced by running an electrical current through water.  Said electrical current coming from where?  A nuclear power plant.  </p>
<p>Practical hydro/oxy fuel cells require increased electrical production, the most efficient source of which is nuclear power.</p>
<p>Of course, this is predicated on the assumption that such fuel cells will become practical.  As of yet, they are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Fazal Majid</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15079</link>
		<dc:creator>Fazal Majid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 06:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;Isn&#039;t debt service only a problem if the economy isn&#039;t growing rapidly?&quot;
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Debt is not bad in itself, independently of economic growth, if it used to fund productive investment, as opposed to operating expenses. That is assuming government borrowing doesn&#039;t crowd out private investment and that the public investments are really productive. Just like for private citizens - a mortgage or college education is good, credit card debt for consumption is bad. Government sucking all available funds is probably not a problem right now, if anything there is an oversupply of capital, although that could shift quickly if, say, the Chinese decide to stop pouring money into our fiscal house of cards.

Of course, therein lies the rub. Government bureaucrats are not known for their acumen. For one Arpanet/Internet funded in the sixties, how many $100M bridges to nowhere in Alaska?

Of course, this rejoins your argument - if you know money returned to the private sector in the form of tax cuts is going to be reinvested in productive uses like R&amp;D or capital investment (e.g. as opposed to feeding a speculative real estate bubble or getting stowed in money market accounts, as probably happened in 2002-2003, or being invested abroad), the tax revenue from increased growth could offset the tax cut in the right circumstances just as effectively as spending it on public works would.

My point was actually different - given how big a proportion of the total budget debt finance already represents due to accumulated deficits, there isn&#039;t that much room for maneuver to lower taxes sufficiently to raise growth durably. Sure, the short term spurt makes it possible to sustain higher levels of debt for a while, but at some point you have to repay the capital, not just interest.</description>
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&#8220;Isn&#8217;t debt service only a problem if the economy isn&#8217;t growing rapidly?&#8221;
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<p>Debt is not bad in itself, independently of economic growth, if it used to fund productive investment, as opposed to operating expenses. That is assuming government borrowing doesn&#8217;t crowd out private investment and that the public investments are really productive. Just like for private citizens &#8211; a mortgage or college education is good, credit card debt for consumption is bad. Government sucking all available funds is probably not a problem right now, if anything there is an oversupply of capital, although that could shift quickly if, say, the Chinese decide to stop pouring money into our fiscal house of cards.</p>
<p>Of course, therein lies the rub. Government bureaucrats are not known for their acumen. For one Arpanet/Internet funded in the sixties, how many $100M bridges to nowhere in Alaska?</p>
<p>Of course, this rejoins your argument &#8211; if you know money returned to the private sector in the form of tax cuts is going to be reinvested in productive uses like R&amp;D or capital investment (e.g. as opposed to feeding a speculative real estate bubble or getting stowed in money market accounts, as probably happened in 2002-2003, or being invested abroad), the tax revenue from increased growth could offset the tax cut in the right circumstances just as effectively as spending it on public works would.</p>
<p>My point was actually different &#8211; given how big a proportion of the total budget debt finance already represents due to accumulated deficits, there isn&#8217;t that much room for maneuver to lower taxes sufficiently to raise growth durably. Sure, the short term spurt makes it possible to sustain higher levels of debt for a while, but at some point you have to repay the capital, not just interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The script doesn&#039;t support changing the fundamental way things are attacked as opposed to the funding for them.

That is:
Accept for a moment the liberal position on a given subject (any subject). For instance &#039;saving for retirement&#039;.

Then apply the most conservative methods you can manage to do that job.

Hint: Social Security isn&#039;t it.
I picture a far less restricted &#039;IRA&#039; arrangement. You have your own pre-tax account with the (insured) broker you choose. The government would no longer be saying &quot;Give us your money and we&#039;ll protect you later&quot; but instead &quot;Thou _shalt_ save enough to protect yourself&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The script doesn&#8217;t support changing the fundamental way things are attacked as opposed to the funding for them.</p>
<p>That is:<br />
Accept for a moment the liberal position on a given subject (any subject). For instance &#8216;saving for retirement&#8217;.</p>
<p>Then apply the most conservative methods you can manage to do that job.</p>
<p>Hint: Social Security isn&#8217;t it.<br />
I picture a far less restricted &#8216;IRA&#8217; arrangement. You have your own pre-tax account with the (insured) broker you choose. The government would no longer be saying &#8220;Give us your money and we&#8217;ll protect you later&#8221; but instead &#8220;Thou _shalt_ save enough to protect yourself&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Clark</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15077</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The simulation works and the comments are good you have started people to not only think but put their thoughts in writing. (some good some eh!) There seems to be a consensus the root and stem of the problem is in the Congress.  Sadly it would appear that &quot;ear marking&quot; Reps and Senators put their own re-election before country.  (one mans pork etal) Interesting to note the benefits of the 17th Amendment similar to the benefits Carthage and Rome found in the need of Senators seeking contributions to remain in power.  Hannibal refused funds by the Senate lost to Rome</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simulation works and the comments are good you have started people to not only think but put their thoughts in writing. (some good some eh!) There seems to be a consensus the root and stem of the problem is in the Congress.  Sadly it would appear that &#8220;ear marking&#8221; Reps and Senators put their own re-election before country.  (one mans pork etal) Interesting to note the benefits of the 17th Amendment similar to the benefits Carthage and Rome found in the need of Senators seeking contributions to remain in power.  Hannibal refused funds by the Senate lost to Rome</p>
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		<title>By: jaceonline</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15087</link>
		<dc:creator>jaceonline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Budget That Will Never Happen&lt;/strong&gt;

The levee&#039;s done broke in Washington, and something like 310 billion (BILLION!) simoleons may soon come sluicing down upon the heads of the people of New Orleans and their loyal elected leaders like a gold-plated runaway freight train full of Rolex w...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Budget That Will Never Happen</strong></p>
<p>The levee&#8217;s done broke in Washington, and something like 310 billion (BILLION!) simoleons may soon come sluicing down upon the heads of the people of New Orleans and their loyal elected leaders like a gold-plated runaway freight train full of Rolex w&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Drumwaster&apos;s Rants</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15086</link>
		<dc:creator>Drumwaster&apos;s Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;You think you&apos;re a conservative?&lt;/strong&gt;

My first time through, I cut a whopping $15 billion....oh, the agony! Next time, I took a longer look, and cut $201 billion. Here&apos;s what I ended up with: Budget Totals Old budget was $3748.1268 billion ($2673 billion in spending, $1075.1268 bil...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>You think you&apos;re a conservative?</strong></p>
<p>My first time through, I cut a whopping $15 billion&#8230;.oh, the agony! Next time, I took a longer look, and cut $201 billion. Here&apos;s what I ended up with: Budget Totals Old budget was $3748.1268 billion ($2673 billion in spending, $1075.1268 bil&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy P</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15076</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvard&#039;s endowment is over $10 billion, and the school was whining they had to let the big, bad, JAGs on because of a measly $400 million?

No bike paths, no statues, all letterhead is generic and the template can add the name of the current administration.

I think there should be a lottery, $100 a pop for a team of normal Americans to go thru the budgets like a fly over flypaper.

Congressional staffs and Congressional bennies are the first thing to go.  They all get HSAs. No raises.  A tax on Gucci Gulch. I also have no problem raising the entrance fee to our public lands, it is awfully low.  Now that Katrina&#039;s taken out our sugar production, good-bye subsidy.  --

--And Democrats are pissed about the Medicare drug benefit because the crap the Republicans passed doesn&#039;t help our senior citizens who are having to choose between food and the medicines they need -

Oh, please.  How 80s. I&#039;m surprised you didn&#039;t mention dog food.  Ever read about what a MN and Canuck tribe were cooking up?  Opening up drug stores at the casin***os, supplied w/Canadian drugs. They wanted to go where their market was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvard&#8217;s endowment is over $10 billion, and the school was whining they had to let the big, bad, JAGs on because of a measly $400 million?</p>
<p>No bike paths, no statues, all letterhead is generic and the template can add the name of the current administration.</p>
<p>I think there should be a lottery, $100 a pop for a team of normal Americans to go thru the budgets like a fly over flypaper.</p>
<p>Congressional staffs and Congressional bennies are the first thing to go.  They all get HSAs. No raises.  A tax on Gucci Gulch. I also have no problem raising the entrance fee to our public lands, it is awfully low.  Now that Katrina&#8217;s taken out our sugar production, good-bye subsidy.  &#8211;</p>
<p>&#8211;And Democrats are pissed about the Medicare drug benefit because the crap the Republicans passed doesn&#8217;t help our senior citizens who are having to choose between food and the medicines they need -</p>
<p>Oh, please.  How 80s. I&#8217;m surprised you didn&#8217;t mention dog food.  Ever read about what a MN and Canuck tribe were cooking up?  Opening up drug stores at the casin***os, supplied w/Canadian drugs. They wanted to go where their market was.</p>
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		<title>By: SandyD</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15075</link>
		<dc:creator>SandyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ignorance of your suggested budget cuts is impressive!  A couple of others have noted this, but it appears from later posts that a few specifics are required.  Let me see, where to begin?  In no particular order of importance:  National Science Foundation:  you suggest cutting by 50% with the notation that it would &quot;free some brains for private sector use&quot;.  Do you have any idea what these funds support?  How about improving access to science education...so that we have a workforce that the private sector can &quot;use&quot;. Adoption and foster care tax credit:  Are you planning to go back to the days of warehousing children in orphanages?  This is a small incentive but it actually helps to place children into stable living environments...but then your cuts to the child health insurance programs would certainly result in fewer children being healthy enough to survive...or to be prepared for learning optimally.  Oh, and by the way, Medicaid and the CHIP programs are expensive, but the cost to society of scapping them would be catastrophic - prevention and early treatment have been proven many times to be less expensive than the alternative.  Your cuts would result in a dog-eat-dog society where the strong feed on the weak, where there would be no beauty in the country, and where only those priviledged few would survive to find themselves with no one to do the work of producing those luxuries they&#039;ve become so used to.  Your cuts to education are unbelievable.  I think the basis of your errors is in thinking that everyone has had the same benefits that you have had...the same family structure, the same knowledge and skill sets of your parents, the same educational opportunities.  You also appear to think that the &quot;market&quot; will automatically adjust for corporate greed and stupidity.  In case you haven&#039;t noticed, while CEO pay has increased dramatically every year for the last three or four years, average wages has stagnated or decreased.  CEOs who bankrupt their companies while enriching themselves also destroy the lives of the people who worked for that company.  People who already have a lot of disposable income are doing better, while those who were already struggling are doing worse.  Under your budget cuts, there will be nothing but misery for millions of Americans.  Not everyone has had the benefit of your education and obviously immense intellectual gifts that will allow them to choose wisely between saving vs. spending the money they need for their future retirement.  And Democrats are pissed about the Medicare drug benefit because the crap the Republicans passed doesn&#039;t help our senior citizens who are having to choose between food and the medicines they need - it is simply corporate welfare for the prescription drug companies.  While you are cutting the FDA&#039;s funding for enforcement, I hope you have some kind of silver bullet to protect you from taking a flawed drug that is advertized to cure your impotence, but that will stop your heart...but then you don&#039;t seem to have one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ignorance of your suggested budget cuts is impressive!  A couple of others have noted this, but it appears from later posts that a few specifics are required.  Let me see, where to begin?  In no particular order of importance:  National Science Foundation:  you suggest cutting by 50% with the notation that it would &#8220;free some brains for private sector use&#8221;.  Do you have any idea what these funds support?  How about improving access to science education&#8230;so that we have a workforce that the private sector can &#8220;use&#8221;. Adoption and foster care tax credit:  Are you planning to go back to the days of warehousing children in orphanages?  This is a small incentive but it actually helps to place children into stable living environments&#8230;but then your cuts to the child health insurance programs would certainly result in fewer children being healthy enough to survive&#8230;or to be prepared for learning optimally.  Oh, and by the way, Medicaid and the CHIP programs are expensive, but the cost to society of scapping them would be catastrophic &#8211; prevention and early treatment have been proven many times to be less expensive than the alternative.  Your cuts would result in a dog-eat-dog society where the strong feed on the weak, where there would be no beauty in the country, and where only those priviledged few would survive to find themselves with no one to do the work of producing those luxuries they&#8217;ve become so used to.  Your cuts to education are unbelievable.  I think the basis of your errors is in thinking that everyone has had the same benefits that you have had&#8230;the same family structure, the same knowledge and skill sets of your parents, the same educational opportunities.  You also appear to think that the &#8220;market&#8221; will automatically adjust for corporate greed and stupidity.  In case you haven&#8217;t noticed, while CEO pay has increased dramatically every year for the last three or four years, average wages has stagnated or decreased.  CEOs who bankrupt their companies while enriching themselves also destroy the lives of the people who worked for that company.  People who already have a lot of disposable income are doing better, while those who were already struggling are doing worse.  Under your budget cuts, there will be nothing but misery for millions of Americans.  Not everyone has had the benefit of your education and obviously immense intellectual gifts that will allow them to choose wisely between saving vs. spending the money they need for their future retirement.  And Democrats are pissed about the Medicare drug benefit because the crap the Republicans passed doesn&#8217;t help our senior citizens who are having to choose between food and the medicines they need &#8211; it is simply corporate welfare for the prescription drug companies.  While you are cutting the FDA&#8217;s funding for enforcement, I hope you have some kind of silver bullet to protect you from taking a flawed drug that is advertized to cure your impotence, but that will stop your heart&#8230;but then you don&#8217;t seem to have one.</p>
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		<title>By: PenGun</title>
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		<dc:creator>PenGun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 02:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What would really be helpful is if we took away the FDA&#039;s enforcement powers and wound up with a cure for aging; that could reduce the resistance to killing that beast once and for all.&quot;

 Complete and utter fantasy.

&quot;Keep the Library of Congress and the Smithsonian; it&#039;s good to preserve as much of our civilization&#039;s data and artifacts as we can as insurance against a new Dark Age, as well as an aid to individual self-education.&quot;

 Yes you&#039;ll need some preservation as you create your new Dark Age. 

 Amazing. The US is flushing it&#039;self. How helpful, not even a whimper, just a whooshing noise ;).

  PenGun
 Do What Now ??? ... Standards and Practices !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What would really be helpful is if we took away the FDA&#8217;s enforcement powers and wound up with a cure for aging; that could reduce the resistance to killing that beast once and for all.&#8221;</p>
<p> Complete and utter fantasy.</p>
<p>&#8220;Keep the Library of Congress and the Smithsonian; it&#8217;s good to preserve as much of our civilization&#8217;s data and artifacts as we can as insurance against a new Dark Age, as well as an aid to individual self-education.&#8221;</p>
<p> Yes you&#8217;ll need some preservation as you create your new Dark Age. </p>
<p> Amazing. The US is flushing it&#8217;self. How helpful, not even a whimper, just a whooshing noise ;).</p>
<p>  PenGun<br />
 Do What Now ??? &#8230; Standards and Practices !</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15073</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 01:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is obviously written by a soulless subcretin. Cut the military, that&#039;s where the pork is, not social programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is obviously written by a soulless subcretin. Cut the military, that&#8217;s where the pork is, not social programs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Terry</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15072</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the idea to privatize the parks is idiotic but I do think it&#039;s unwise.

A market only works in the long run if its pricing mechanisms can factor in all of the costs/benefits/effects for all of the stakeholders. You and I agree to exchange value for value and both walk away satisfied. If either of is unsatisfied, we walk away and find a better business partner. But in the case of the parks, all of the stakeholders aren&#039;t involved in the contract.

Let&#039;s say the government sells the Grand Canyon to a garbage collection company. The government is no longer paying for upkeep and the price is great so we all get a tax break.

The company loves the spot because it&#039;s already dug out and they just need to backfill with the garbage. They&#039;ve got capacity for years. Their stockholders get a lot of value.

Great deal, right? Of course not. The Grand Canyon is not just a conveniently capacious hole in the ground. It&#039;s a national treasure that needs to be saved for people who aren&#039;t born yet and have no say in today&#039;s transaction.

This is paper thin example. In any well run privitization program we would no doubt get much more money from a company planning to use the Grand Canyon as a tourist venue. But other sites would probably not be so obviously valuable in their current sustainable use.

We just couldn&#039;t afford the uncontrolled negative externalities of this transaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the idea to privatize the parks is idiotic but I do think it&#8217;s unwise.</p>
<p>A market only works in the long run if its pricing mechanisms can factor in all of the costs/benefits/effects for all of the stakeholders. You and I agree to exchange value for value and both walk away satisfied. If either of is unsatisfied, we walk away and find a better business partner. But in the case of the parks, all of the stakeholders aren&#8217;t involved in the contract.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say the government sells the Grand Canyon to a garbage collection company. The government is no longer paying for upkeep and the price is great so we all get a tax break.</p>
<p>The company loves the spot because it&#8217;s already dug out and they just need to backfill with the garbage. They&#8217;ve got capacity for years. Their stockholders get a lot of value.</p>
<p>Great deal, right? Of course not. The Grand Canyon is not just a conveniently capacious hole in the ground. It&#8217;s a national treasure that needs to be saved for people who aren&#8217;t born yet and have no say in today&#8217;s transaction.</p>
<p>This is paper thin example. In any well run privitization program we would no doubt get much more money from a company planning to use the Grand Canyon as a tourist venue. But other sites would probably not be so obviously valuable in their current sustainable use.</p>
<p>We just couldn&#8217;t afford the uncontrolled negative externalities of this transaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15071</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holden,

&lt;i&gt;Why&lt;/i&gt; are they idiotic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holden,</p>
<p><i>Why</i> are they idiotic?</p>
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		<title>By: Holden</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15070</link>
		<dc:creator>Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to says that some of the things you have proposed here are idiotic, such as cutting national park funds and privatizing them into money making ventures. That is one of the most cold blooded and inhuman things I have heard in a long time. and that is impressive given our current administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to says that some of the things you have proposed here are idiotic, such as cutting national park funds and privatizing them into money making ventures. That is one of the most cold blooded and inhuman things I have heard in a long time. and that is impressive given our current administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Clark</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15069</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I note the call for increased &quot;Wind Energy&quot; both Ted Kennedy and John Kerry vetoed wind generators from &quot;their&quot; area, it spoils the view.  If the writer is for wind energy perhaps they will say &quot;Who&#039;s view should be spoiled?&quot;  The same can be said of the &quot;do not drill&quot; and NIMBY crowd, where should the refineries be built?  Why is it OK to despoil Texas and not Florida or Alaska?  Why force OPEC to increase production and bad American production?  All men are created equal and should share the equal burden of feeding the worlds energy requirements, not how to restrict the requirements but to meet the requirements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note the call for increased &#8220;Wind Energy&#8221; both Ted Kennedy and John Kerry vetoed wind generators from &#8220;their&#8221; area, it spoils the view.  If the writer is for wind energy perhaps they will say &#8220;Who&#8217;s view should be spoiled?&#8221;  The same can be said of the &#8220;do not drill&#8221; and NIMBY crowd, where should the refineries be built?  Why is it OK to despoil Texas and not Florida or Alaska?  Why force OPEC to increase production and bad American production?  All men are created equal and should share the equal burden of feeding the worlds energy requirements, not how to restrict the requirements but to meet the requirements.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15068</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The best way to encourage employers to take a chance on people with sketchy credentials is to let them fire with impunity if it doesn&#039;t work out. Labor law just gets in the way of people finding, offering, and changing jobs. Unjust discrimination is also unprofitable discrimination and doesn&#039;t need to be outlawed; vigorous suppression of mob violence and domestic KKK-style terrorism will do the trick.&quot;

You realize that this item also includes basic workplace safety laws and oversight, right?  Do we really want to go back to 120 years ago when 35,000 workers were killed on the job every year out of a population 1/5th the size of today&#039;s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The best way to encourage employers to take a chance on people with sketchy credentials is to let them fire with impunity if it doesn&#8217;t work out. Labor law just gets in the way of people finding, offering, and changing jobs. Unjust discrimination is also unprofitable discrimination and doesn&#8217;t need to be outlawed; vigorous suppression of mob violence and domestic KKK-style terrorism will do the trick.&#8221;</p>
<p>You realize that this item also includes basic workplace safety laws and oversight, right?  Do we really want to go back to 120 years ago when 35,000 workers were killed on the job every year out of a population 1/5th the size of today&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15067</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But can we even say that the budget cuts caused the increased revenue?

There was some deregulation activity going on around the same time.  Deregulation is a good way to light a fire under the economy and thus indirectly boost tax revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But can we even say that the budget cuts caused the increased revenue?</p>
<p>There was some deregulation activity going on around the same time.  Deregulation is a good way to light a fire under the economy and thus indirectly boost tax revenue.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3528.html/comment-page-2#comment-15066</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chaz706,

I think it makes a lot of sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chaz706,</p>
<p>I think it makes a lot of sense.</p>
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