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		<title>By: lemon2stp</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3686.html/comment-page-2#comment-17121</link>
		<dc:creator>lemon2stp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;French Rioters&lt;/strong&gt;

French Rioters
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<p>French Rioters</p>
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		<title>By: rmark</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3686.html/comment-page-2#comment-17111</link>
		<dc:creator>rmark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The U.S tends to have more murders, Europe tends to have as much or more of most everything else crime wise. (note - European murder statistics tend to avoid the 1914-1918 and 1937-1945 time periods, giving a lower rate than was experienced in real life).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U.S tends to have more murders, Europe tends to have as much or more of most everything else crime wise. (note &#8211; European murder statistics tend to avoid the 1914-1918 and 1937-1945 time periods, giving a lower rate than was experienced in real life).</p>
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		<title>By: Newmark's Door</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3686.html/comment-page-2#comment-17120</link>
		<dc:creator>Newmark's Door</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 09:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;http://newmarksdoor.typepad.com/mainblog/2005/11/interesting_ang.html&lt;/strong&gt;

Interesting angle on the riots in France over at Chicago Boyz: The current intifada in France has stripped the American Left of its second Utopia in a generation.</description>
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<p>Interesting angle on the riots in France over at Chicago Boyz: The current intifada in France has stripped the American Left of its second Utopia in a generation.</p>
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		<title>By: sammy</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3686.html/comment-page-2#comment-17110</link>
		<dc:creator>sammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 07:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>France may be economically socialist but it is culturally very right wing and by any indication far less multiculturalist than the USA. From my experiences having been there, it&#039;s certainly more racist than the USA, particularly towards Muslims. I would rather be a Muslim in the US than in France. The USA&#039;s foreign policy is extremely offensive to Muslim sensibilities but it treats Muslims relatively well, while French foreign policy tries not to offend Muslim sensibilities but Muslims are treated far, far worse. This is why you don&#039;t have Muslim riots in the USA and why few American Muslims have been involved in terrorism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>France may be economically socialist but it is culturally very right wing and by any indication far less multiculturalist than the USA. From my experiences having been there, it&#8217;s certainly more racist than the USA, particularly towards Muslims. I would rather be a Muslim in the US than in France. The USA&#8217;s foreign policy is extremely offensive to Muslim sensibilities but it treats Muslims relatively well, while French foreign policy tries not to offend Muslim sensibilities but Muslims are treated far, far worse. This is why you don&#8217;t have Muslim riots in the USA and why few American Muslims have been involved in terrorism.</p>
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		<title>By: Tino</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3686.html/comment-page-2#comment-17109</link>
		<dc:creator>Tino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can tell you as a fact that the US murder rate (5.5 per 100.000) is still higher than Europe, but that the US it at or even below in most other caseses. Violent crime in the US has been falling sharply since about 1980, acceleration in the 1990s. In my country, Sweden, crime has been going up like crazy.

In murder we are still below, but wheras it was 10.5 vs 1.6 the year Ronny got elected, it is 5.5 vs 2.4 now. Per 100.000.

This year we have as many rapes per capita as the US, more than doubling in 15 years. Property crime has always been a worse problem in Sweden.

So it depends how you weight it. Murder US is still worse (yes I know 20 of the 50 states have lower crime rate than Sweden, but on average), but in most other crime he is right.

Don&#039;t exagerate the nativity thing. It does NOT hurt economic standards other than in a transition period, and thats just because if stupid pension system. Other than that yes the European model is worthless.

In Sweden Katarina (or the exagerated media pictures) was a feast for the leftwing media. They wrote more aobut it that you did I think, the &quot;proof&quot; of US barbarism. The Socialdemocratic priminister talked several minuts about Katarina in his main speech in their party congress! For Europe US is the boogyman to scare people straight.

But with France there is no such attempt to draw national conclusions, they underreport itand blaim it on the goverment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can tell you as a fact that the US murder rate (5.5 per 100.000) is still higher than Europe, but that the US it at or even below in most other caseses. Violent crime in the US has been falling sharply since about 1980, acceleration in the 1990s. In my country, Sweden, crime has been going up like crazy.</p>
<p>In murder we are still below, but wheras it was 10.5 vs 1.6 the year Ronny got elected, it is 5.5 vs 2.4 now. Per 100.000.</p>
<p>This year we have as many rapes per capita as the US, more than doubling in 15 years. Property crime has always been a worse problem in Sweden.</p>
<p>So it depends how you weight it. Murder US is still worse (yes I know 20 of the 50 states have lower crime rate than Sweden, but on average), but in most other crime he is right.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t exagerate the nativity thing. It does NOT hurt economic standards other than in a transition period, and thats just because if stupid pension system. Other than that yes the European model is worthless.</p>
<p>In Sweden Katarina (or the exagerated media pictures) was a feast for the leftwing media. They wrote more aobut it that you did I think, the &#8220;proof&#8221; of US barbarism. The Socialdemocratic priminister talked several minuts about Katarina in his main speech in their party congress! For Europe US is the boogyman to scare people straight.</p>
<p>But with France there is no such attempt to draw national conclusions, they underreport itand blaim it on the goverment.</p>
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		<title>By: saltino</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3686.html/comment-page-1#comment-17108</link>
		<dc:creator>saltino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;intifada&#8221; in Paris, are plus minus ten years from Los Angeles riot, really the welfare is died in Europe? Are u sure? U write&#8230; Intifada in Europe? Where is the wall&#8230; at place de la bastille? Please keep your mind in a trouble question, what is last liberal emperor?  This emperor it&#8217;s still in my country, in my town exactly, at Rome&#8230; 2000 years ago.<br />
(sorry for my bad-baby english)<br />
Ciao Neo-con vai a lavorare (in miniera però).</p>
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		<title>By: Shining Light in Dark Corners</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3686.html/comment-page-1#comment-17119</link>
		<dc:creator>Shining Light in Dark Corners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 04:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;French Riots Reminiscent of 1968 Race Riots in US&lt;/strong&gt;

Riots have spread and worsened across France. Rightwing extremists in this country have characterized this tragedy unfolding as the &quot;French Intifada&quot; led by what the blog chicagoboyz.net calls &quot;the very large, unassimilated, unemployed and unemployable...</description>
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<p>Riots have spread and worsened across France. Rightwing extremists in this country have characterized this tragedy unfolding as the &#8220;French Intifada&#8221; led by what the blog chicagoboyz.net calls &#8220;the very large, unassimilated, unemployed and unemployable&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Right Nation</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3686.html/comment-page-1#comment-17118</link>
		<dc:creator>The Right Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 01:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Monday Night Round-Up</strong></p>
<p>RaiNews 24&#8242;s lies about &#8220;white phosphorous flares&#8221; used by US Army at Fallujah were peddled to everyone (AdnKronos, AGI, Corriere della Sera, L&#8217;Unità, Repubblica) and they are the opening title at Google News. But this &#8220;terrible chemical weapon&#8221; is u&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: George L.</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3686.html/comment-page-1#comment-17107</link>
		<dc:creator>George L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 00:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Chicago was a mini-France. A one-party, gun-banning, socialist shit-hole rife with corruption and a large welfare-supported underclass.

Am I wrong, Lex?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Chicago was a mini-France. A one-party, gun-banning, socialist shit-hole rife with corruption and a large welfare-supported underclass.</p>
<p>Am I wrong, Lex?</p>
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		<title>By: John L</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3686.html/comment-page-1#comment-17106</link>
		<dc:creator>John L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Green&#039;s article here is right on target,......with only one exception.   His Left Utopia, he continues to attribute to Socialism and it&#039;s failutes.   In fact it IS Collectivism, but it is none other than the old 20th century version of Fascism, pure and simple.

Clearly, most of &quot;Old Europe&quot; is living under a Fascist form of government, some more than others.  But, in truth, it is State control and heavy regulation of Industry(the means of production), and the placation of the masses with the &#039;social&#039; Nipple, that is supposed to keep them placated.

Unfortunately, someone forgot to include the Islamic masses that moved in, hoping to partake of the good times, when Europe was not in the process of being dragged down into the economic gutter.

And Bat Ye&#039;or has been correct all along.   It was a combination of Fascism, coupled with the creation of Eurabia, that is the icing on the cake.

So, in the spirit of getting things correct, think FASCISM, not Socialism here.   And make no mistake: the &quot;Third Way&quot; will NEVER work,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Green&#8217;s article here is right on target,&#8230;&#8230;with only one exception.   His Left Utopia, he continues to attribute to Socialism and it&#8217;s failutes.   In fact it IS Collectivism, but it is none other than the old 20th century version of Fascism, pure and simple.</p>
<p>Clearly, most of &#8220;Old Europe&#8221; is living under a Fascist form of government, some more than others.  But, in truth, it is State control and heavy regulation of Industry(the means of production), and the placation of the masses with the &#8216;social&#8217; Nipple, that is supposed to keep them placated.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, someone forgot to include the Islamic masses that moved in, hoping to partake of the good times, when Europe was not in the process of being dragged down into the economic gutter.</p>
<p>And Bat Ye&#8217;or has been correct all along.   It was a combination of Fascism, coupled with the creation of Eurabia, that is the icing on the cake.</p>
<p>So, in the spirit of getting things correct, think FASCISM, not Socialism here.   And make no mistake: the &#8220;Third Way&#8221; will NEVER work,</p>
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		<title>By: Purple Avenger</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3686.html/comment-page-1#comment-17105</link>
		<dc:creator>Purple Avenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Real, if all your rationalization and spin is true -- how come they&#039;re burning Paris rather than NYC or LA then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Real, if all your rationalization and spin is true &#8212; how come they&#8217;re burning Paris rather than NYC or LA then?</p>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/3686.html/comment-page-1#comment-17104</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get Real, I&#039;m interested in some specific &quot;racist laws&quot; that were enacted because of rioting and looting.  Were these local, state or federal?   Some specific instances might give us an arena to discuss.

Also, I&#039;m a little unclear of what &quot;Right&#039;s Utopia&quot; you refer to?  (The right does not believe in Utopias - it may argue that the best shouldn&#039;t get in the way of the better.  What best &amp; better are you referring to?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get Real, I&#8217;m interested in some specific &#8220;racist laws&#8221; that were enacted because of rioting and looting.  Were these local, state or federal?   Some specific instances might give us an arena to discuss.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m a little unclear of what &#8220;Right&#8217;s Utopia&#8221; you refer to?  (The right does not believe in Utopias &#8211; it may argue that the best shouldn&#8217;t get in the way of the better.  What best &amp; better are you referring to?)</p>
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		<title>By: Get real!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Get real!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few cars get torched and suddenly every know-it-all is pounding away at his keyboard his direct-from-God vindication of pontification, as if.  France&#039;s socialist government worked for some things and failed at others.  Just like the policies of the U.S., the U.K., or any other country.  We&#039;ve had our share of rioters and looters:  New Orleans, Los Angeles, etc.  And yet our government enacts policies that are more racist, not less; increase rather than diffuse tensions.  Where is the right&#039;s Utopia?  Washed into the Gulf, along with a thousand made-in-China refrigerators?

Isn&#039;t it nice to sit back and smirk behind your television and computer screen and have all the answers for those poor little folks who have to - or at least want to - work for their tiny little living?  What a smug, arrogant little hypocrite you are, Lexington.  Shame on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few cars get torched and suddenly every know-it-all is pounding away at his keyboard his direct-from-God vindication of pontification, as if.  France&#8217;s socialist government worked for some things and failed at others.  Just like the policies of the U.S., the U.K., or any other country.  We&#8217;ve had our share of rioters and looters:  New Orleans, Los Angeles, etc.  And yet our government enacts policies that are more racist, not less; increase rather than diffuse tensions.  Where is the right&#8217;s Utopia?  Washed into the Gulf, along with a thousand made-in-China refrigerators?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it nice to sit back and smirk behind your television and computer screen and have all the answers for those poor little folks who have to &#8211; or at least want to &#8211; work for their tiny little living?  What a smug, arrogant little hypocrite you are, Lexington.  Shame on you.</p>
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		<title>By: The Pink Flamingo Bar Grill</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Pink Flamingo Bar Grill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Denial not just a river in Egypt, Belgravia dispat&lt;/strong&gt;

A couple or more articles that provide more evidence for my point of view and less for the moderate lets understand them view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Denial not just a river in Egypt, Belgravia dispat</strong></p>
<p>A couple or more articles that provide more evidence for my point of view and less for the moderate lets understand them view.</p>
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		<title>By: towel head</title>
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		<dc:creator>towel head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If France really wanted to stop the riots the authorities would issue shoot to kill orders.
The French are afraid to offend the Muslims.
They would rather watch their cities burn than confront the evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If France really wanted to stop the riots the authorities would issue shoot to kill orders.<br />
The French are afraid to offend the Muslims.<br />
They would rather watch their cities burn than confront the evil.</p>
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		<title>By: alibidrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>alibidrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh?
Utopia my ass.
The leftists I know make fun of the French as much, if not more, than Conservatives.
Of course the leftists I know also make fun of leftists.

Anyhow, just because you WANT to believe something doesn&#039;t make it true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?<br />
Utopia my ass.<br />
The leftists I know make fun of the French as much, if not more, than Conservatives.<br />
Of course the leftists I know also make fun of leftists.</p>
<p>Anyhow, just because you WANT to believe something doesn&#8217;t make it true.</p>
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		<title>By: Kitty Litter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kitty Litter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>IS PARIS BURNING?</strong></p>
<p>Speaking of the Dems,ChicagoBoyz point out, Paris Burns, The Second Leftist Utopia Burns With It: In addition to thousands of cars, lots of buildings, and at least one elderly old lady doused with gasoline by the rioting “youths” of Paris, the Americ&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
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		<dc:creator>actus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Washington is not bombing Paris&quot;

Neither are the argentineans and the californians mentioned.

&quot;It is the &quot;insurgents&quot; who are doing the lion&#039;s share of the bombing in Iraq these days.&quot;

Really? i&#039;d be surprised if we didn&#039;t use much more ordinance than they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Washington is not bombing Paris&#8221;</p>
<p>Neither are the argentineans and the californians mentioned.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is the &#8220;insurgents&#8221; who are doing the lion&#8217;s share of the bombing in Iraq these days.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? i&#8217;d be surprised if we didn&#8217;t use much more ordinance than they did.</p>
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		<title>By: Tex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 06:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Tex: Within the last week Molotov cocktails have been thrown in France, Argentina, and California. Funny how the distribution of violence is more strongly related to areas of strident anti-globalization rhetoric than the policies of &quot;neo-libralism&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;actus: Pro-globalization areas use cluster bombs and the US army.&lt;/i&gt;

Washington is not bombing Paris.

And you&#039;re a little behind the times with your attempt to change the subject. It is the &quot;insurgents&quot; who are doing the lion&#039;s share of the bombing in Iraq these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Tex: Within the last week Molotov cocktails have been thrown in France, Argentina, and California. Funny how the distribution of violence is more strongly related to areas of strident anti-globalization rhetoric than the policies of &#8220;neo-libralism&#8221;</i></p>
<p><i>actus: Pro-globalization areas use cluster bombs and the US army.</i></p>
<p>Washington is not bombing Paris.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re a little behind the times with your attempt to change the subject. It is the &#8220;insurgents&#8221; who are doing the lion&#8217;s share of the bombing in Iraq these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Dust my Broom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dust my Broom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 03:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Paris is burning&lt;/strong&gt;

The media hasn&#8217;t been really good at telling us that fact. Paris is goddamn burning. Various reports are out that Jacques Chirac is just starting to react to the violence sweeping Paris - mostly due to last night where there were 1295 vehicles t...</description>
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<p>The media hasn&#8217;t been really good at telling us that fact. Paris is goddamn burning. Various reports are out that Jacques Chirac is just starting to react to the violence sweeping Paris &#8211; mostly due to last night where there were 1295 vehicles t&#8230;</p>
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