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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 03:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I&#039;ll put it on my list.  
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		<title>By: CPO Dan Jezeski, USCG (Ret.)</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPO Dan Jezeski, USCG (Ret.)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are missing one very important book.  The Guardians of the Sea:  The history of the U.S. Coast Guard from 1915 to present by Johnson.  I&#039;m somewhat biased due to being a retired Coastie, but it is a really good read, and fills in the gaps about a small but proud military naval service.  Hope you guys give it a chance.  Semper Paratus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are missing one very important book.  The Guardians of the Sea:  The history of the U.S. Coast Guard from 1915 to present by Johnson.  I&#8217;m somewhat biased due to being a retired Coastie, but it is a really good read, and fills in the gaps about a small but proud military naval service.  Hope you guys give it a chance.  Semper Paratus.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to put a plug in for one of my favorite books on the Vietnam-American War: Eric Bergerud&#039;s &quot;The Dynamics of Defeat: The Vietnam War in Hau Nghia Province.&quot;

The Vietnam War is like the American Civil War in that a lot of really bad books have been written about it.  Bergerud&#039;s book is an exception to that rule.  By focusing on a single province, he is able to cover both political and the military aspects of the war in detail over a fairly long time horizon.  Especially important is his analysis of the historiography of the war.  You come away not only knowing who the politicians and soldiers were, but where the writers like Bernard Fall, SLA Marshall, Don Oberdorf, Harry Summers, etc., fit in to all this.  Even if you don&#039;t buy Bergerud&#039;s conclusion, (Personally, I agree with David Hackett Fischer that inevitablity is a metaphysical question, not an historical question) you learn an enormous amount about what really happened in an influential province close to Siagon.

This book might be too detailed and analytical for the casual reader, but Vietnam is a complex subject and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s possible to treat it adequately in a simpler framework.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to put a plug in for one of my favorite books on the Vietnam-American War: Eric Bergerud&#8217;s &#8220;The Dynamics of Defeat: The Vietnam War in Hau Nghia Province.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Vietnam War is like the American Civil War in that a lot of really bad books have been written about it.  Bergerud&#8217;s book is an exception to that rule.  By focusing on a single province, he is able to cover both political and the military aspects of the war in detail over a fairly long time horizon.  Especially important is his analysis of the historiography of the war.  You come away not only knowing who the politicians and soldiers were, but where the writers like Bernard Fall, SLA Marshall, Don Oberdorf, Harry Summers, etc., fit in to all this.  Even if you don&#8217;t buy Bergerud&#8217;s conclusion, (Personally, I agree with David Hackett Fischer that inevitablity is a metaphysical question, not an historical question) you learn an enormous amount about what really happened in an influential province close to Siagon.</p>
<p>This book might be too detailed and analytical for the casual reader, but Vietnam is a complex subject and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s possible to treat it adequately in a simpler framework.</p>
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		<title>By: Publicola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publicola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must mention W.E.B. Griffin&#039;s The Corps series. Fiction yes, but he does a decent job of showing what life was like, albeit his antagonists weren&#039;t exactly run of the mill folks (it is fiction after all). Still the backgrounds used to develop their characters seem realistic enough &amp; the perspective on the events as they unfold are refreshing.

Also anyone who has seen Enemy At The Gates should be required to read William Craig&#039;s book.

Marine: The Life Of Chesty Puller by Burke Davis is another one worth picking up - though I presume any of the biographies on Chesty are worth the time it&#039;d take to read them.

I haven&#039;t had a chance to pick it up but a retired Gunnery Seargent name of Bob Newman wrote a book entitled Guerillas In The Mist. What I&#039;ve heard about it has been favorable enough that it&#039;s on my list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must mention W.E.B. Griffin&#8217;s The Corps series. Fiction yes, but he does a decent job of showing what life was like, albeit his antagonists weren&#8217;t exactly run of the mill folks (it is fiction after all). Still the backgrounds used to develop their characters seem realistic enough &amp; the perspective on the events as they unfold are refreshing.</p>
<p>Also anyone who has seen Enemy At The Gates should be required to read William Craig&#8217;s book.</p>
<p>Marine: The Life Of Chesty Puller by Burke Davis is another one worth picking up &#8211; though I presume any of the biographies on Chesty are worth the time it&#8217;d take to read them.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t had a chance to pick it up but a retired Gunnery Seargent name of Bob Newman wrote a book entitled Guerillas In The Mist. What I&#8217;ve heard about it has been favorable enough that it&#8217;s on my list.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 07:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought of some more
Tsar&#039;s Last Armada by Pleshakov (sp?)  Writing style is workmanlike, but he gets the story across well.
The Thin Red Line by James Jones
Grant and Lee by JFC Fuller
River War by Winston Churchill
World War I by Hew Strachan
Red Star Rogue by  K. Sewell
K-19 the Widow Maker - P. Huchthausen (sp?)

BTW One painless way your friend can learn military history is by reading the Flashman books. I  haven&#039;t read all of them but have liked those that I have.  They are of  varying quality though (IMHO).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought of some more<br />
Tsar&#8217;s Last Armada by Pleshakov (sp?)  Writing style is workmanlike, but he gets the story across well.<br />
The Thin Red Line by James Jones<br />
Grant and Lee by JFC Fuller<br />
River War by Winston Churchill<br />
World War I by Hew Strachan<br />
Red Star Rogue by  K. Sewell<br />
K-19 the Widow Maker &#8211; P. Huchthausen (sp?)</p>
<p>BTW One painless way your friend can learn military history is by reading the Flashman books. I  haven&#8217;t read all of them but have liked those that I have.  They are of  varying quality though (IMHO).</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lex: The problem with Corbett is not so much in what information he presents but the manner in which he presents it.  There is no attempt at objectivity or impartiality.  He frequently refers to &quot;our fleet&quot; (meaning of course the Royal Navy).   His treatment of Nelson is nothing short of deification.  For someone like myself who loves this type of &quot;raw-raw&quot; history this book is great, but I&#039;m sure my former history profs (and many of my former classmates) would have quite a different opinion.

One last suggestion: &lt;em&gt;Frigate Commander&lt;/em&gt; by Tom Wareham, tells the story of Lieutenant-later Captain Graham Moore during the Napoleonic Wars.  The book takes long passages from Moore&#039;s journal and ties them together with bits of explanatory narrative - a fascinating look at how a Frigate was managed and fought in the age of sail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lex: The problem with Corbett is not so much in what information he presents but the manner in which he presents it.  There is no attempt at objectivity or impartiality.  He frequently refers to &#8220;our fleet&#8221; (meaning of course the Royal Navy).   His treatment of Nelson is nothing short of deification.  For someone like myself who loves this type of &#8220;raw-raw&#8221; history this book is great, but I&#8217;m sure my former history profs (and many of my former classmates) would have quite a different opinion.</p>
<p>One last suggestion: <em>Frigate Commander</em> by Tom Wareham, tells the story of Lieutenant-later Captain Graham Moore during the Napoleonic Wars.  The book takes long passages from Moore&#8217;s journal and ties them together with bits of explanatory narrative &#8211; a fascinating look at how a Frigate was managed and fought in the age of sail.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also like &quot;No End Save Victory&quot;, an anthology on WWII edited by Robert Cowley.  It has very interesting chapters such as Bruce Gudmundsson&#039;s &quot;After Dunkirk&quot;, which discusses the effectiveness of the British and French against the Germans in 1940, or David Glantz&#039;s The Soviet Invasion of Japan.  I learned many things I hadn&#039;t known before from this book, and fresh perspectives on things I thought I knew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also like &#8220;No End Save Victory&#8221;, an anthology on WWII edited by Robert Cowley.  It has very interesting chapters such as Bruce Gudmundsson&#8217;s &#8220;After Dunkirk&#8221;, which discusses the effectiveness of the British and French against the Germans in 1940, or David Glantz&#8217;s The Soviet Invasion of Japan.  I learned many things I hadn&#8217;t known before from this book, and fresh perspectives on things I thought I knew.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the further suggestions.
Chris, I&#039;ve got all those on my list.  All are well-regarded books.
Jim, I read Japanese Destroyer Captain, which I agree is a very good book.  I suppose I was thinking more of a Japanese infantryman&#039;s memoirs.  Hara certainly saw a lot and lived through a lot.  
Allan, I have read everything by Poole.  &quot; The Collapse of British Power&quot; is good.  Have not read the Fraser or Forester books.  Beevor, Webb, Hanson are all on my list.  I have only picked at Horne&#039;s book on Verdun.  Atkinson&#039;s &quot;Gray Line&quot; was good.    Nunnely, Kugler and O&#039;Kane are new ones on me.  
Paul K:  &quot;Samurai&quot; is on my list.  Never read any Martin Caidan.  The Weigley books you mention are good, I have them both and have read parts of both.  I have not yet read &quot;How the North Won.&quot;  I have heard of &quot;Hardtack and Coffee&quot; but not read it.  I will add it to my list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the further suggestions.<br />
Chris, I&#8217;ve got all those on my list.  All are well-regarded books.<br />
Jim, I read Japanese Destroyer Captain, which I agree is a very good book.  I suppose I was thinking more of a Japanese infantryman&#8217;s memoirs.  Hara certainly saw a lot and lived through a lot.<br />
Allan, I have read everything by Poole.  &#8221; The Collapse of British Power&#8221; is good.  Have not read the Fraser or Forester books.  Beevor, Webb, Hanson are all on my list.  I have only picked at Horne&#8217;s book on Verdun.  Atkinson&#8217;s &#8220;Gray Line&#8221; was good.    Nunnely, Kugler and O&#8217;Kane are new ones on me.<br />
Paul K:  &#8220;Samurai&#8221; is on my list.  Never read any Martin Caidan.  The Weigley books you mention are good, I have them both and have read parts of both.  I have not yet read &#8220;How the North Won.&#8221;  I have heard of &#8220;Hardtack and Coffee&#8221; but not read it.  I will add it to my list.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For memoirs of a Japanese naval fighter pilot in WWII see &quot;Samurai&quot; by Saburo Sakai with Martin Caidin.  The Japanese Navy did the same thing the US Navy did and had ground-based fighter squadrons.  Sakai flew first in China in &#039;36 and then throughout the island campaigns finally ending up being assigned a suicide mission.

By the way, Martin Caidin&#039;s &quot;Black Thursday&quot; is a great, emotion-packed description of the Schweinfort raids in October of 1943 when 8th Air Force losses on long-range missions got so high that combat operations had to be restricted to short-range missions.  You&#039;ll feel like you flew the mission after you read this book.  This might not still be in print.

For general military history, I also like Russell Weigley, late of U Penn, especially &quot;The American Way of War&quot; and &quot;The Age of Battles.&quot;

Regarding the American Civil War, I am not a big fan of Shelby Foote.  He was a novelist with an interest in the war.  His prose flow beautifully, but there are lost of errors, and there has been lots of new research in the last 40 years.  From a military view point I prefer Herman Hattaway, et al, &quot;How the North Won: A Military History of the Civil War.&quot;  For a good first-person account of the war see John Billings &quot;Hardtack and Coffee or the Unwritten Story of Army Life&quot; first published in 1880s and still in print.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For memoirs of a Japanese naval fighter pilot in WWII see &#8220;Samurai&#8221; by Saburo Sakai with Martin Caidin.  The Japanese Navy did the same thing the US Navy did and had ground-based fighter squadrons.  Sakai flew first in China in &#8217;36 and then throughout the island campaigns finally ending up being assigned a suicide mission.</p>
<p>By the way, Martin Caidin&#8217;s &#8220;Black Thursday&#8221; is a great, emotion-packed description of the Schweinfort raids in October of 1943 when 8th Air Force losses on long-range missions got so high that combat operations had to be restricted to short-range missions.  You&#8217;ll feel like you flew the mission after you read this book.  This might not still be in print.</p>
<p>For general military history, I also like Russell Weigley, late of U Penn, especially &#8220;The American Way of War&#8221; and &#8220;The Age of Battles.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regarding the American Civil War, I am not a big fan of Shelby Foote.  He was a novelist with an interest in the war.  His prose flow beautifully, but there are lost of errors, and there has been lots of new research in the last 40 years.  From a military view point I prefer Herman Hattaway, et al, &#8220;How the North Won: A Military History of the Civil War.&#8221;  For a good first-person account of the war see John Billings &#8220;Hardtack and Coffee or the Unwritten Story of Army Life&#8221; first published in 1880s and still in print.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30 comments and no one has mentioned HJ Poole!!!  What&#039;s going on here?  Y&#039;all need to put his The Phantom Soldier and the Tiger&#039;s Way  up near the top of your lists.   

 I&#039;d also add Correlli Barnett&#039;s The Collapse of British Power,  Fraser&#039;s first Flashman, CS Forester&#039;s The Ship, The General and The Good Shepherd (all of which I liked better than the Hornblower series), A.Beevor&#039;s Stalingrad, James Webb&#039;s Fields of Fire, Hanson&#039;s Ripples of Battle, R. Atkinson&#039;s Thin Grey Line,  R. Tinberg&#039;s  Nightingale&#039;s Song, Ed Kugler&#039;s Dead Center, Frank Nunnely&#039;s (sp?)  Tales of Japanese Soldiers (not sure if that&#039;s the exact title). Also Horne wrote an interesting book about Verdun, the name of which escapes me at the moment.  
And then there&#039;s the WWII submarine genre.  Lots of good ones there, but can&#039;t remember most of their names now except for O&#039;kane&#039;s Take Her Deep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30 comments and no one has mentioned HJ Poole!!!  What&#8217;s going on here?  Y&#8217;all need to put his The Phantom Soldier and the Tiger&#8217;s Way  up near the top of your lists.   </p>
<p> I&#8217;d also add Correlli Barnett&#8217;s The Collapse of British Power,  Fraser&#8217;s first Flashman, CS Forester&#8217;s The Ship, The General and The Good Shepherd (all of which I liked better than the Hornblower series), A.Beevor&#8217;s Stalingrad, James Webb&#8217;s Fields of Fire, Hanson&#8217;s Ripples of Battle, R. Atkinson&#8217;s Thin Grey Line,  R. Tinberg&#8217;s  Nightingale&#8217;s Song, Ed Kugler&#8217;s Dead Center, Frank Nunnely&#8217;s (sp?)  Tales of Japanese Soldiers (not sure if that&#8217;s the exact title). Also Horne wrote an interesting book about Verdun, the name of which escapes me at the moment.<br />
And then there&#8217;s the WWII submarine genre.  Lots of good ones there, but can&#8217;t remember most of their names now except for O&#8217;kane&#8217;s Take Her Deep.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a good WWII Pacific memoir from the Japanese point of view try Hara&#039;s &quot;Japanese Destroyer Captain&quot; (http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?y=8&amp;tn=Japanese+Destroyer+Captain&amp;x=67).  It takes him all the way from midshipman days, so you see the collapse of Taisho democracy from a young Navy man&#039;s eyes.  I&#039;ve never read anything else quite like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a good WWII Pacific memoir from the Japanese point of view try Hara&#8217;s &#8220;Japanese Destroyer Captain&#8221; (<a href="http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?y=8&#038;tn=Japanese+Destroyer+Captain&#038;x=67" rel="nofollow">http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?y=8&#038;tn=Japanese+Destroyer+Captain&#038;x=67</a>).  It takes him all the way from midshipman days, so you see the collapse of Taisho democracy from a young Navy man&#8217;s eyes.  I&#8217;ve never read anything else quite like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Road to Stalingrad - John Erickson

Carnage and Culture - Victor Davis Hanson

The Franco-Prussian War - Geoffrey Wawro

Strange Defeat - Marc Bloch</description>
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<p>Carnage and Culture &#8211; Victor Davis Hanson</p>
<p>The Franco-Prussian War &#8211; Geoffrey Wawro</p>
<p>Strange Defeat &#8211; Marc Bloch</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, as always with our readers, lots of good suggestions and ideas for books.  

A few comments.  

Sanity Inspector:  Have not read Marcinko, and never heard of Tout&#039;s &quot;A Night for Tanks&quot; or Fiennes &quot;The Feather Men&quot;.  Will look into both
David Foster: Horne&#039;s &quot;To Lose a Battle&quot; has been on my shelf for years.  Never read it cover to cover.  I once showed my kids the picture of the French generals, who look old and tired and not very tough, then showed them the Germans, especially Kliest, who even in full dress uniform looks like a Renaissance swordsman, a stone killer.  I said, &quot;just looking at these pictures, who do you think won the war.&quot;  They guessed right.  Spears I have had on my list.  Some day.  Don&#039;t know the Beaufre, or the Chamberlain Memoir (you remembered the name correctly).  I&#039;ll add them to my list.  
MM.  Agreed re Grant&#039;s Memoirs.  Have not yet gotten to Foote&#039;s mighty 3 Vol opus.  Some day.  Am aware of O&#039;Brien, but don&#039;t usually read fiction.
TigerHawk:  Keegan&#039;s &quot;Face of Battle&quot; I first read when I was 13 years old.  The Cornelius Ryan books I read as a kid as well -- His &quot;The Last Battle&quot; is also very good.  Oren, &quot;Six Days of War&quot; Morison &quot;The Two Ocean War&quot; I have on my shelf.  I have a three-volumes-in-one by Catton of something, but haven&#039;t read it yet.  
David Tufte:  I read and enjoyed &quot;Price of Admiralty&quot;.  Never heard of MacIntyre&#039;s &quot;Thunder of the Guns&quot;.  I have picked at Hastings&#039; &quot;Battle for the Falklands&quot;.  The two volume official history was just published, I noticed.  &quot;Battle Cry of Freedom&quot; is excellent, agreed.  I will look into the Banks Atlas.  Thanks for the tip.  
Dan McCuen:  The Forrester and Herzog books are on my list.  Disagree strongly about von Luck, which I thought was a great read, with a lot of personal detail.  I have read von Mellenthin.  I did not think it was a good book for a person without a pretty strong background in reading military history, hence it did not make the cut.  I have heard more good than bad things about &quot;An Army at Dawn&quot;, so your vote against is not dispositive.  I have a couple of Ambrose&#039;s books on World War II that I picked up in discount bins or yard sales.  Haven&#039;t gotten to them.  I like his biographies of Nixon and Eisenhower.  
Dearieme:  Never heard of either.  As to Poppycock, are you familiar with Paddy Griffith&#039;s books on the performance of the British Army in World War I?
Tom:  The one volume history I liked best was Weinberg&#039;s &quot;A World at Arms&quot;.  Have never read any Len Deighton.  
Tyouth;  &quot;A Rumor of War&quot; is on my shelf.  I will add &quot;War of the Rats&quot; to my list.  I presume you saw &quot;Enemy at the Gates&quot;?  A pretty good movie about the snipers in Stalingrad.  
Mace:  Don&#039;t know Frank&#039;s &quot;Guadacanal&quot;.  Thanks for the tip.
 CPT Kauffman:  Thanks for weighing in.  I can see your position about Hackworth.  I understand that he is controversial.  I have not, however, seen anyone suggest that the things he describes in his books are not true.  Also, his vendettas are out in the open, so you can take as much of them as you want.  But we can agree to disagree on that suggestion.  Not familiar with Moser&#039;s &quot;Blitzkreig Myth&quot;, and will avoid.  I recently got Doughty&#039;s &quot;Breakout: Sedan and the Fall of France in 1940&quot; -- and it was damned expensive!  I hope to read that soon.  Had not heard of Frieser&#039;s &quot;Blitzkrieg Legend&quot;, so thanks for that suggestion.  
David Sundseth:  Agreed that Farwell&#039;s books are good and a good read.  I have read a couple of them.  
Ian:  Thanks for the tips on Canadian War of 1812 books.  Corbett is supposed to be good.  His book &quot;Principles of Maritime Strategy&quot; is supposed to still be good 100 years later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, as always with our readers, lots of good suggestions and ideas for books.  </p>
<p>A few comments.  </p>
<p>Sanity Inspector:  Have not read Marcinko, and never heard of Tout&#8217;s &#8220;A Night for Tanks&#8221; or Fiennes &#8220;The Feather Men&#8221;.  Will look into both<br />
David Foster: Horne&#8217;s &#8220;To Lose a Battle&#8221; has been on my shelf for years.  Never read it cover to cover.  I once showed my kids the picture of the French generals, who look old and tired and not very tough, then showed them the Germans, especially Kliest, who even in full dress uniform looks like a Renaissance swordsman, a stone killer.  I said, &#8220;just looking at these pictures, who do you think won the war.&#8221;  They guessed right.  Spears I have had on my list.  Some day.  Don&#8217;t know the Beaufre, or the Chamberlain Memoir (you remembered the name correctly).  I&#8217;ll add them to my list.<br />
MM.  Agreed re Grant&#8217;s Memoirs.  Have not yet gotten to Foote&#8217;s mighty 3 Vol opus.  Some day.  Am aware of O&#8217;Brien, but don&#8217;t usually read fiction.<br />
TigerHawk:  Keegan&#8217;s &#8220;Face of Battle&#8221; I first read when I was 13 years old.  The Cornelius Ryan books I read as a kid as well &#8212; His &#8220;The Last Battle&#8221; is also very good.  Oren, &#8220;Six Days of War&#8221; Morison &#8220;The Two Ocean War&#8221; I have on my shelf.  I have a three-volumes-in-one by Catton of something, but haven&#8217;t read it yet.<br />
David Tufte:  I read and enjoyed &#8220;Price of Admiralty&#8221;.  Never heard of MacIntyre&#8217;s &#8220;Thunder of the Guns&#8221;.  I have picked at Hastings&#8217; &#8220;Battle for the Falklands&#8221;.  The two volume official history was just published, I noticed.  &#8220;Battle Cry of Freedom&#8221; is excellent, agreed.  I will look into the Banks Atlas.  Thanks for the tip.<br />
Dan McCuen:  The Forrester and Herzog books are on my list.  Disagree strongly about von Luck, which I thought was a great read, with a lot of personal detail.  I have read von Mellenthin.  I did not think it was a good book for a person without a pretty strong background in reading military history, hence it did not make the cut.  I have heard more good than bad things about &#8220;An Army at Dawn&#8221;, so your vote against is not dispositive.  I have a couple of Ambrose&#8217;s books on World War II that I picked up in discount bins or yard sales.  Haven&#8217;t gotten to them.  I like his biographies of Nixon and Eisenhower.<br />
Dearieme:  Never heard of either.  As to Poppycock, are you familiar with Paddy Griffith&#8217;s books on the performance of the British Army in World War I?<br />
Tom:  The one volume history I liked best was Weinberg&#8217;s &#8220;A World at Arms&#8221;.  Have never read any Len Deighton.<br />
Tyouth;  &#8220;A Rumor of War&#8221; is on my shelf.  I will add &#8220;War of the Rats&#8221; to my list.  I presume you saw &#8220;Enemy at the Gates&#8221;?  A pretty good movie about the snipers in Stalingrad.<br />
Mace:  Don&#8217;t know Frank&#8217;s &#8220;Guadacanal&#8221;.  Thanks for the tip.<br />
 CPT Kauffman:  Thanks for weighing in.  I can see your position about Hackworth.  I understand that he is controversial.  I have not, however, seen anyone suggest that the things he describes in his books are not true.  Also, his vendettas are out in the open, so you can take as much of them as you want.  But we can agree to disagree on that suggestion.  Not familiar with Moser&#8217;s &#8220;Blitzkreig Myth&#8221;, and will avoid.  I recently got Doughty&#8217;s &#8220;Breakout: Sedan and the Fall of France in 1940&#8243; &#8212; and it was damned expensive!  I hope to read that soon.  Had not heard of Frieser&#8217;s &#8220;Blitzkrieg Legend&#8221;, so thanks for that suggestion.<br />
David Sundseth:  Agreed that Farwell&#8217;s books are good and a good read.  I have read a couple of them.<br />
Ian:  Thanks for the tips on Canadian War of 1812 books.  Corbett is supposed to be good.  His book &#8220;Principles of Maritime Strategy&#8221; is supposed to still be good 100 years later.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allow me to make some recommendations.  I am a War of 1812 buff and there are many good Canadian books about the subject:

Donald Graves&#039; &lt;em&gt;Field of Glory&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Where Right and Glory Lead&lt;/em&gt; tell the stories of the Battles of Chyrsler&#039;s Farm and the Niagara campaign of 1814 respectively.  Both are well researched, extensively noted and written in a simple easy-to-read style.

&lt;em&gt;A Wampum Denied&lt;/em&gt; by Sandy Antal describes the British effort around Detroit and Amherstburg and the actions fought by Proctor (a man thoroughly unfit for that command) and Tecumseh.
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On a slightly different note allow me to suggest &lt;em&gt;The Campaign of Trafalgar&lt;/em&gt; by Sir Julian S. Corbett, it&#039;s not really &quot;good&quot; history as Corbett is hopelessly biased but it is an amusing read that gets most of the fighting/shipboard things right (and it includes really nice charts of several different actions).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allow me to make some recommendations.  I am a War of 1812 buff and there are many good Canadian books about the subject:</p>
<p>Donald Graves&#8217; <em>Field of Glory</em> and <em>Where Right and Glory Lead</em> tell the stories of the Battles of Chyrsler&#8217;s Farm and the Niagara campaign of 1814 respectively.  Both are well researched, extensively noted and written in a simple easy-to-read style.</p>
<p><em>A Wampum Denied</em> by Sandy Antal describes the British effort around Detroit and Amherstburg and the actions fought by Proctor (a man thoroughly unfit for that command) and Tecumseh.<br />
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On a slightly different note allow me to suggest <em>The Campaign of Trafalgar</em> by Sir Julian S. Corbett, it&#8217;s not really &#8220;good&#8221; history as Corbett is hopelessly biased but it is an amusing read that gets most of the fighting/shipboard things right (and it includes really nice charts of several different actions).</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Sundseth</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll commend to your attention Byron Farwell&#039;s books on Britain&#039;s colonial wars, to include:  Mr. Kipling&#039;s Army, Queen Victoria&#039;s Little Wars, and The Great War in Africa.  (He has many more.)  Fast and engaging reads that do a good job of covering their subjects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll commend to your attention Byron Farwell&#8217;s books on Britain&#8217;s colonial wars, to include:  Mr. Kipling&#8217;s Army, Queen Victoria&#8217;s Little Wars, and The Great War in Africa.  (He has many more.)  Fast and engaging reads that do a good job of covering their subjects.</p>
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		<title>By: CPT Aaron Kaufman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a history major as an undergrad, I have some understanding at what constitutes good history and bad history.  The last book I read was perhaps the best written and most thoroughly researched book I have ever read.  Rick Atkinson&#8217;s An Army at Dawn is a masterpiece of enjoyable reading and detailed research; a combination of popular history and a historian&#8217;s desire to see the writer&#8217;s documentation.  Atkinson’s citations and bibliography attest to the monumental amount of work that went into writing this book.  The book lays out the ineptitude of the US Army prior to WWII, both in tactics, operations, and in commanding a coalition, all framed in Operation Torch (invasion of North Africa).  This is the first of Liberation Trilogy.  So much of WWII history is popular history that generates terms such as the Greatest Generation.  Atkinson’s book looks at everything, from atrocity to triumph, to soldier bitching and the formation of great leaders.  </p>
<p>Books I don’t recommend from the list… Primarily Hackworth’s book About Face, at least taken at face value.  The reason Hackworth left the Army was due to an investigation of command sponsored (and profiteering from) brothels and drug abuse.  He fled justice, a disgraced officer, and moved to Australia.  He certainly displayed his personal courage on the battlefield, but that does not make him a great captain.  He undermined good order and discipline with his sanctioning of actions contrary to military regulation (there are times and places for that, however).  He was a self-aggrandizer of the highest order.  He used his book to throw stones at his peers and superiors that he did not like.  Compare him to the humble Dick Winters, as accurately portrayed in Band of Brothers, and you can see the difference.  </p>
<p>This article in Slate lays it out:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2381/sidebar/51012/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2381/sidebar/51012/</a></p>
<p>Other books not to read:</p>
<p>The Blitzkrieg Myth : How Hitler and the Allies Misread the Strategic Realities of World War II, by John Moser.  </p>
<p>This book is terrible, from a historian’s perspective.  It is undocumented, and ignores the best writers of the history and development of German Combined Arms doctrine developed during the interwar period.  He attempts to cast himself as a first among authors to figure this out, when in fact he is way overmatched by historians such as COL Robert Doughty (Breakout:  Sedan and the Fall of France in 1940), or Karl-Heinz Frieser (Blitzkrieg Legend: The 1940 Campaign in the West 2005 translation).  If one really wants to understand why the Germans were so successful (and the French were not) initially in WWII, one has to discard the term Blitzkrieg and start from scratch.  Doughty’s and Frieser’s books will help you do this.</p>
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		<title>By: Mace</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Frank&#039;s Guadacanal is one of the most excellent military history books I&#039;ve read and I&#039;ve read hundreds.</description>
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		<title>By: Tyouth</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The no-win, low-morale times for the US infantry man in Viet Nam the late &#039;60s is captured by Phil Caputo&#039;s &quot;A Rumor of War&quot;, his autobiograhical work.  

Although War of The Rats (David Robbins) main subject is USSR snipers in 1942 Stalingrad one gets a very strong sense of the battle and (in less detail) Russia&#039;s follow up, eventually, into Berlin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The no-win, low-morale times for the US infantry man in Viet Nam the late &#8217;60s is captured by Phil Caputo&#8217;s &#8220;A Rumor of War&#8221;, his autobiograhical work.  </p>
<p>Although War of The Rats (David Robbins) main subject is USSR snipers in 1942 Stalingrad one gets a very strong sense of the battle and (in less detail) Russia&#8217;s follow up, eventually, into Berlin.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the Bergerud books recommended on SDB&#039;s site, and came away favorably impressed by both of them.  The thematic style of story-telling was also a nice break from the relentless narrative style, something I find can get a touch too monotonous if consumed in too large a quantity (&lt;em&gt;Army at Dawn&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Washington&#039;s Crossing&lt;/em&gt; were both guilty in this regard, I found).  Oren&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Six Days of War&lt;/em&gt; worked better as diplomatic history than military history, I found, particularly given the absence of quality maps.

As an entry-type work, Robert Leckie&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Delivered from Evil&lt;/em&gt; is about as good a readable one-volume history of the Second World War as you could ask for, though it looks significantly more initimdating than it is.  For the person who recommened &quot;Blunder&quot; generically, &lt;em&gt;Blitzkrieg&lt;/em&gt; by the British novelist Len Deighton able pokes apart some of the Anglo myths of the early days of World War II.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the Bergerud books recommended on SDB&#8217;s site, and came away favorably impressed by both of them.  The thematic style of story-telling was also a nice break from the relentless narrative style, something I find can get a touch too monotonous if consumed in too large a quantity (<em>Army at Dawn</em> and <em>Washington&#8217;s Crossing</em> were both guilty in this regard, I found).  Oren&#8217;s <em>Six Days of War</em> worked better as diplomatic history than military history, I found, particularly given the absence of quality maps.</p>
<p>As an entry-type work, Robert Leckie&#8217;s <em>Delivered from Evil</em> is about as good a readable one-volume history of the Second World War as you could ask for, though it looks significantly more initimdating than it is.  For the person who recommened &#8220;Blunder&#8221; generically, <em>Blitzkrieg</em> by the British novelist Len Deighton able pokes apart some of the Anglo myths of the early days of World War II.</p>
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		<title>By: dearieme</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bicheno &quot;Rebels and Redcoats - the American Revolutionary War&quot;.  &#039;Iconoclastic&#039; might, for once, be justified.
&quot;Mud, Blood and Poppycock&quot;, Corregan: disabused me of much of what I had believed about the First World War.</description>
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&#8220;Mud, Blood and Poppycock&#8221;, Corregan: disabused me of much of what I had believed about the First World War.</p>
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