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  • History Friday – The Fisheries Disputes and America 3.0

    Posted by Dan from Madison on November 22nd, 2013 (All posts by )

    For as long as I can remember this little book has been moving with me from home to home. I have had it for a long time.

    “History of the United States Illustrated, Volume IV, 1861-1888″ by E. Benjamin Andrews. Printed in 1903.

    Having put a stop to most of my book buying until I read my current stack, this one was next. I am glad I hung on to it. Knowing the way I operate I am sure that I got it from a garage sale or something.

    Mr. Andrews, and I would suppose that most people around the turn of the century, were intensely proud of what America had accomplished up to this point. This was made pretty clear after the Civil War and Reconstruction portions of the book. The public works and transportation projects that were completed were astounding given the technology of the time.

    One portion of the book in particular caught my interest over all the rest, and that was the section on the Fisheries Disputes. Oddly, there isn’t even a wiki entry on this, as a whole subject.

    Basically, these disputes were between the US, Great Britain and Canada over fishing rights. Many treaties had been drawn up over the years, but due to wars, some treaties were considered null and void, and typically one side would have one strong position with their legal points, and the other side would do the same. I don’t want to bore you with too many details in this footnote of history, but I found it fascinating how the author of a general history of the United States during this time found the Disputes so important to include them in the volume.

    I had never even heard of the Fisheries Disputes before, and I have been reading history books all of my life.

    Which brings me back to the main point of this rambling post. I remembered part of America 3.0 while reading the part about the Fisheries Disputes. This from page XXV of the Introduction:

    However, the focus of this book is on the longer term, centuries into the past and decades into the future. Over such a large span of time our current political struggles, as engrossing as they are now, will mostly sink into history as mere noise around a discernible signal. Only the passage of time will confirm what that signal is, and whether our hopeful predictions were well grounded.

    Does anyone remember the Dubai Ports Scandal? I am sure some of you do, but in a few years there won’t be too many left that do. Interesting how history keeps teaching me.

    Cross posted at LITGM.

     

    3 Responses to “History Friday – The Fisheries Disputes and America 3.0”

    1. Will Says:

      I don’t remember the Dubai port scandal, but fishing disputes, yes. I was in the USCG in the nineteen seventies and a major part of our duties were fisheries patrols with NMFS agents. Dozens of countries worked the Atlantic and specifically the Northeast heavily. None more so than the Soviet Union and Poland as I remember it, although we boarded vessels from all over. Fines, impounds, seizures were routine, including “incidents” such as the Simas Kadirka fiasco and others. Once the 200 mile limit was passed, the disputes shifted to U.S./Canada, and the “Cod War” Rammings, shot’s fired and a lot of hard feelings that persist to this day. Kind of a regional thing, but often interesting and a break from the drudgery of sea duty.

    2. Grurray Says:

      It’s amazing how many conflicts still arise over fishing (or maybe fishing used as an excuse is more like it).
      Fishing disputes that have been simmering for a long time around the Korean Peninsula and South China Sea have now blown up into a global situation.

    3. L. C. Rees Says:

      The treaty of Paris signed on September 30, 1783 had seven articles. The first stated that George III recognized that the United States of America was independent of his rule. The second drew the borders of the United States of America, including the Old Northwest and the Old Southwest stretching to the Mississippi. The third, one John Adams of Massachusetts delayed negotiations in order to win, was this:

      It is agreed that the people of the United States shall continue to enjoy unmolested the right to take fish of every kind on the Grand Bank and on all the other banks of Newfoundland, also in the Gulf of Saint Lawrence and at all other places in the sea, where the inhabitants of both countries used at any time heretofore to fish. And also that the inhabitants of the United States shall have liberty to take fish of every kind on such part of the coast of Newfoundland as British fishermen shall use, (but not to dry or cure the same on that island) and also on the coasts, bays and creeks of all other of his Brittanic Majesty’s dominions in America; and that the American fishermen shall have liberty to dry and cure fish in any of the unsettled bays, harbors, and creeks of Nova Scotia, Magdalen Islands, and Labrador, so long as the same shall remain unsettled, but so soon as the same or either of them shall be settled, it shall not be lawful for the said fishermen to dry or cure fish at such settlement without a previous agreement for that purpose with the inhabitants, proprietors, or possessors of the ground.

      Independence, land, and…fish?