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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, that looks very cool.  Not clear when I am going to be able to get down there, though ... .
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, that looks very cool.  Not clear when I am going to be able to get down there, though &#8230; .</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Manifold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lex, if you&#039;re obsessing over WW1, pay a visit in a few months when &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.libertymemorialmuseum.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; opens up -- it promises to be, by a wide margin, the most comprehensive museum devoted to the topic in the US.  As &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chicagoboyz.net/archives/004161.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;promised earlier&lt;/a&gt;, visit to include side trip for BBQ as payment for turning me on to &lt;i&gt;Albion&#039;s Seed&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lex, if you&#8217;re obsessing over WW1, pay a visit in a few months when <a href="http://www.libertymemorialmuseum.org/" rel="nofollow">this</a> opens up &#8212; it promises to be, by a wide margin, the most comprehensive museum devoted to the topic in the US.  As <a href="http://www.chicagoboyz.net/archives/004161.html" rel="nofollow">promised earlier</a>, visit to include side trip for BBQ as payment for turning me on to <i>Albion&#8217;s Seed</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The immense growth of government was underway all over the world, FDR may have moved things along faster.  Hooever, after all, was in no way a &quot;small government&quot; man.  He was a Progressive Republican.  There was no serious constituency for old-time liberalism during the Great Depression.  In fact, most people took the Depression to be absolute proof that liberal ideas of spontaneously organizing markets had been totally repudiated.  Milton Friedman himself talks about being a graduate student at the University of Chicago, in economics, and no one in the Department was able to explain how it could be that you had men on the street who wanted to work, people who wanted what they could make, factories closed -- this was not supposed to happen.  Even the Chicago Boys were stumped.

The miracle is that we didn&#039;t nationalize everything.  People were literally starving and the old way appeared to have totally failed, and the intellectual currents were running in favor of government control -- that was the sophisticated, progressive way of thinking.  Fortunately, Americans were not that interested in what the intellectuals had to say, and mostly hung onto their notions of private property until things began to turn around.  But it was a close run thing.  

I have always believed that FDR, in the context of his times, was a conservative force.  He tended to use strong rhetoric, then do a lot less than he threatened.  Other people were advocating much more aggressive action.  When Alf Landon ran in 1936 on a program only a little less statist than Hoover&#039;s and been, and not much less than FDR&#039;s was, he got annihilated in the election.   

The growth of government occured in America in response to crises, and it usually did not shrink back to its original level.  The progressives pre-World War I wanted a big growth of government, but the public support was not there for a massive expansion.  World War I was their moment.  Then the Depression.  Then World War II.  The book to read on this subject is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/019505900X/103-5831664-9911049?v=glance&amp;n=283155&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Crisis and Leviathan: Critical Episodes in the Growth of American Government&lt;/a&gt; by Robert Higgs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The immense growth of government was underway all over the world, FDR may have moved things along faster.  Hooever, after all, was in no way a &#8220;small government&#8221; man.  He was a Progressive Republican.  There was no serious constituency for old-time liberalism during the Great Depression.  In fact, most people took the Depression to be absolute proof that liberal ideas of spontaneously organizing markets had been totally repudiated.  Milton Friedman himself talks about being a graduate student at the University of Chicago, in economics, and no one in the Department was able to explain how it could be that you had men on the street who wanted to work, people who wanted what they could make, factories closed &#8212; this was not supposed to happen.  Even the Chicago Boys were stumped.</p>
<p>The miracle is that we didn&#8217;t nationalize everything.  People were literally starving and the old way appeared to have totally failed, and the intellectual currents were running in favor of government control &#8212; that was the sophisticated, progressive way of thinking.  Fortunately, Americans were not that interested in what the intellectuals had to say, and mostly hung onto their notions of private property until things began to turn around.  But it was a close run thing.  </p>
<p>I have always believed that FDR, in the context of his times, was a conservative force.  He tended to use strong rhetoric, then do a lot less than he threatened.  Other people were advocating much more aggressive action.  When Alf Landon ran in 1936 on a program only a little less statist than Hoover&#8217;s and been, and not much less than FDR&#8217;s was, he got annihilated in the election.   </p>
<p>The growth of government occured in America in response to crises, and it usually did not shrink back to its original level.  The progressives pre-World War I wanted a big growth of government, but the public support was not there for a massive expansion.  World War I was their moment.  Then the Depression.  Then World War II.  The book to read on this subject is <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/019505900X/103-5831664-9911049?v=glance&amp;n=283155" rel="nofollow">Crisis and Leviathan: Critical Episodes in the Growth of American Government</a> by Robert Higgs.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Chang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Chang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Yoo has made the excellent point that, in America, FDR was responsible for the immense growth of government.  This growth both ensured a large administrative state, and helped us win WW2.

Still, it seems to me that government has become increasingly fond of telling citizens what&#039;s best for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Yoo has made the excellent point that, in America, FDR was responsible for the immense growth of government.  This growth both ensured a large administrative state, and helped us win WW2.</p>
<p>Still, it seems to me that government has become increasingly fond of telling citizens what&#8217;s best for them.</p>
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