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		<title>By: beloml</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4534.html/comment-page-1#comment-23189</link>
		<dc:creator>beloml</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As I think many of us find the failure of Europe to both reproduce and defend itself as deeply &amp; sadly important . . .&quot;

Demographic realities and the West&#039;s lack of will to survive are two of the major themes in Mark Steyn&#039;s best-seller, &quot;America Alone.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As I think many of us find the failure of Europe to both reproduce and defend itself as deeply &amp; sadly important . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>Demographic realities and the West&#8217;s lack of will to survive are two of the major themes in Mark Steyn&#8217;s best-seller, &#8220;America Alone.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MD</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4534.html/comment-page-1#comment-23188</link>
		<dc:creator>MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 23:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and educating women is troublesome, regarding birth-rates, although I do find it interesting that my teaching hospital seems just filled with pregnant female physicians...especially the younger ones. Although I have no children, I (and really, I shouldn&#039;t have been giving advice to this poor young thing, but I think she wanted it) told one of my residents she should go ahead and have another baby if she wants one because it doesn&#039;t get any easier: all this being a doctor stuff. So, forget having a perfect life with an absolutely perfect time to have the perfect baby. It doesn&#039;t work that way....oh, I&#039;m rambling, I know. Wasn&#039;t there an article Instapundit linked recently about birth rates in France being healthy among non-immigrants because of family policies?

*More rambling: the most interesting Indian-American family I knew among my diasporan acquaintances was a group of doctors (shocking for Indians, eh?) that consisted of two brothers who were doctors. One married a doctor, who worked and the other married a woman who stayed home and took care of both sets of children while the other three ran a clinic together in a small town. Unusual, even for the limited joint families I knew growing up....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and educating women is troublesome, regarding birth-rates, although I do find it interesting that my teaching hospital seems just filled with pregnant female physicians&#8230;especially the younger ones. Although I have no children, I (and really, I shouldn&#8217;t have been giving advice to this poor young thing, but I think she wanted it) told one of my residents she should go ahead and have another baby if she wants one because it doesn&#8217;t get any easier: all this being a doctor stuff. So, forget having a perfect life with an absolutely perfect time to have the perfect baby. It doesn&#8217;t work that way&#8230;.oh, I&#8217;m rambling, I know. Wasn&#8217;t there an article Instapundit linked recently about birth rates in France being healthy among non-immigrants because of family policies?</p>
<p>*More rambling: the most interesting Indian-American family I knew among my diasporan acquaintances was a group of doctors (shocking for Indians, eh?) that consisted of two brothers who were doctors. One married a doctor, who worked and the other married a woman who stayed home and took care of both sets of children while the other three ran a clinic together in a small town. Unusual, even for the limited joint families I knew growing up&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MD</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4534.html/comment-page-1#comment-23187</link>
		<dc:creator>MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 23:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s wrong with being a partisan when you are an opinion writer? I think J.T&#039;s funny....although I do cringe with all the Kennedy-Kopechne stuff. I don&#039;t actually care for that recurring joke; enough, please. Anyway,

1. Saddam is removed and a sentence soon to be delivered.
2. A constitution is written.
3. Elections have been held.
4. A government is in place, albeit a messy and weak one, dependent on the US for security.
5. And now, sectarian violence/low grade civil war/more than low grade civil war/some level of jihadi activity? 

So, where are we? I don&#039;t know. I suppose, there are some things we can&#039;t do for the Iraqis. I do find facts like increasing birth rate interesting, although I don&#039;t know what that means either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s wrong with being a partisan when you are an opinion writer? I think J.T&#8217;s funny&#8230;.although I do cringe with all the Kennedy-Kopechne stuff. I don&#8217;t actually care for that recurring joke; enough, please. Anyway,</p>
<p>1. Saddam is removed and a sentence soon to be delivered.<br />
2. A constitution is written.<br />
3. Elections have been held.<br />
4. A government is in place, albeit a messy and weak one, dependent on the US for security.<br />
5. And now, sectarian violence/low grade civil war/more than low grade civil war/some level of jihadi activity? </p>
<p>So, where are we? I don&#8217;t know. I suppose, there are some things we can&#8217;t do for the Iraqis. I do find facts like increasing birth rate interesting, although I don&#8217;t know what that means either.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4534.html/comment-page-1#comment-23186</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 20:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  I get a daily e-mail &amp; I&#039;m too cheap to pay for anything.  Sure he&#039;s overly partisan, but that&#039;s okay, it seems to me, in a column that is more humor than news.  For instance, while the style people on most papers are irritating, we hardly have to read them &amp; they are, after all, just opinion writers.  Jonathan is complaining about the opinion of non-opinion writers.  That is more of a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  I get a daily e-mail &amp; I&#8217;m too cheap to pay for anything.  Sure he&#8217;s overly partisan, but that&#8217;s okay, it seems to me, in a column that is more humor than news.  For instance, while the style people on most papers are irritating, we hardly have to read them &amp; they are, after all, just opinion writers.  Jonathan is complaining about the opinion of non-opinion writers.  That is more of a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 18:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought the worst part of a WSJ subscription was the A-section political news, which is written by conventional j-school-type journalists with conventional liberal biases. Isn&#039;t Taranto editor of the nonsubscription OpinionJournal.com?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought the worst part of a WSJ subscription was the A-section political news, which is written by conventional j-school-type journalists with conventional liberal biases. Isn&#8217;t Taranto editor of the nonsubscription OpinionJournal.com?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taranto is unreadable for even the rabid partisan. Absolutely the worst feature of a WSJ subscription.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taranto is unreadable for even the rabid partisan. Absolutely the worst feature of a WSJ subscription.</p>
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		<title>By: PoliticalCritic</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoliticalCritic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 15:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Birth rates are always higher in lesser developed countries.  That shouldn&#039;t be surprising.  The sharp increase in the last few years is interesting though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birth rates are always higher in lesser developed countries.  That shouldn&#8217;t be surprising.  The sharp increase in the last few years is interesting though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 04:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>commenter,

You keep mentioning warmongers. Do other countries have warmongers too, or is it just us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>commenter,</p>
<p>You keep mentioning warmongers. Do other countries have warmongers too, or is it just us?</p>
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		<title>By: commenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>commenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 03:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dwindling pro-occupation camp is truly grasping at straws with these facts about the Iraqi birthrate.  First, the birthrate in 2002 or 2001 is not given--a trend based on two time points is misleading or at best inconclusive.  Second, our Shock and Awe bombing in 2003 left hospitals in ruins, without lights and without water, children were born at home, and I doubt that vital statistics were kept carefully.

If you want statistics here are some:
1.6 million Iraqis have fled the country since the war started.  300,000 are displaced internally from sectarian violence. At least 65,000, and probably many more, have been killed.  The great majority of Iraqis in every poll say they want us to leave.

And yet the warmongers safe here at home continue to try to pretend that the situation in Iraq is improving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dwindling pro-occupation camp is truly grasping at straws with these facts about the Iraqi birthrate.  First, the birthrate in 2002 or 2001 is not given&#8211;a trend based on two time points is misleading or at best inconclusive.  Second, our Shock and Awe bombing in 2003 left hospitals in ruins, without lights and without water, children were born at home, and I doubt that vital statistics were kept carefully.</p>
<p>If you want statistics here are some:<br />
1.6 million Iraqis have fled the country since the war started.  300,000 are displaced internally from sectarian violence. At least 65,000, and probably many more, have been killed.  The great majority of Iraqis in every poll say they want us to leave.</p>
<p>And yet the warmongers safe here at home continue to try to pretend that the situation in Iraq is improving.</p>
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		<title>By: no one</title>
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		<dc:creator>no one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So what can we do?&quot;

If that&#039;s really your belief then this seems like a strong case for cutting off all immigration by Muslims.  Weak assimilation should be accompanied by no new influx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So what can we do?&#8221;</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s really your belief then this seems like a strong case for cutting off all immigration by Muslims.  Weak assimilation should be accompanied by no new influx.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralf Goergens</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4534.html/comment-page-1#comment-23179</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf Goergens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 18:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As I think many of us find the failure of Europe to both reproduce and defend itself as deeply &amp; sadly important; perhaps the Iraqis, otoh, are building a desire to defend as well as reproduce themselves.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There was a baby boom in post-war Europe, too, not just in America, even though a lot of people still were in mortal danger ans living among ruins. There also is no comparison between today&#039;s Europe and Iraq. 

I also don&#039;t agree that Europeans don&#039;t want to defend themselves, while Iraqis have a desire to do so. The threat to us here in Europe is rather vague - a lot of Europeans feel threatened by Islam and militant Muslims, but nobody thinks that attacking Muslim immigrants indiscriminately would make us any safer; if people thought so, quite a lot of Muslim houses would have been firebombed by now. The same goes for attacking Islamic countries - what&#039;s the use? If we killed a lot of them, the people would reproduce faster to make up for the losses, and they&#039;d be liable to carry a grudge. 
Iraqis also aren&#039;t so much defending themselves as going for each other&#039;s throats.

So what can we do? We are fighting terrorism mostly using law enforcement, we can hardly sterilize Muslim women to defuse the allged &#039;demographic bomb&#039; etc, etc. So we do what we always did: We subvert, corrupt, contaminate and so on, and so on, anybody who could be a threat. Their leaders may think they are winning, but we ahev give the Islamic world a bad case of the cultural STDs. Trade will finish them off ( remmeber the opium wars?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As I think many of us find the failure of Europe to both reproduce and defend itself as deeply &amp; sadly important; perhaps the Iraqis, otoh, are building a desire to defend as well as reproduce themselves.</p></blockquote>
<p>There was a baby boom in post-war Europe, too, not just in America, even though a lot of people still were in mortal danger ans living among ruins. There also is no comparison between today&#8217;s Europe and Iraq. </p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t agree that Europeans don&#8217;t want to defend themselves, while Iraqis have a desire to do so. The threat to us here in Europe is rather vague &#8211; a lot of Europeans feel threatened by Islam and militant Muslims, but nobody thinks that attacking Muslim immigrants indiscriminately would make us any safer; if people thought so, quite a lot of Muslim houses would have been firebombed by now. The same goes for attacking Islamic countries &#8211; what&#8217;s the use? If we killed a lot of them, the people would reproduce faster to make up for the losses, and they&#8217;d be liable to carry a grudge.<br />
Iraqis also aren&#8217;t so much defending themselves as going for each other&#8217;s throats.</p>
<p>So what can we do? We are fighting terrorism mostly using law enforcement, we can hardly sterilize Muslim women to defuse the allged &#8216;demographic bomb&#8217; etc, etc. So we do what we always did: We subvert, corrupt, contaminate and so on, and so on, anybody who could be a threat. Their leaders may think they are winning, but we ahev give the Islamic world a bad case of the cultural STDs. Trade will finish them off ( remmeber the opium wars?  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Scotus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scotus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your response, dear Nate, displays a gift for petty wit, but little insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your response, dear Nate, displays a gift for petty wit, but little insight.</p>
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		<title>By: nate zuckerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>nate zuckerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James T, dear Jinny, is a gifted and clever writer who often errs because of partisanship. People in Europe and elsewhere have a falling birthrate that comes with education: they realzie the cost of raising many children and educating them.  On the other hand, in Iraq, we have people staying indoors because it is so dangerous to go out! And,like the blackout in NY Ci.ty some years ago, they turn on tv  or turn to each other for amusement--and lo! more kids!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James T, dear Jinny, is a gifted and clever writer who often errs because of partisanship. People in Europe and elsewhere have a falling birthrate that comes with education: they realzie the cost of raising many children and educating them.  On the other hand, in Iraq, we have people staying indoors because it is so dangerous to go out! And,like the blackout in NY Ci.ty some years ago, they turn on tv  or turn to each other for amusement&#8211;and lo! more kids!</p>
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