Comments on: How the West was Lost

By: Tex

Tex — Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:18:34 +0000

Huntington would say that the religious background is definitive. But the predominance of Christianity in South Africa has not changed much since 1994.

By: James A Pacella

James A Pacella — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:44:45 +0000

I’m kind of surprised anyone still viewed South Africa as a functioning state.

By: Mike Cunningham

Mike Cunningham — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:35:45 +0000

South Africa is ignoring calls to lever Zimbabwe into some sort of economic reality mainly because that once well-muscled country is going exactly the same road as the Zimbabwe basket-case.

Ever checked out the crime statistics, especially for corruption, murder and plain theft in South Africa? With a murder rate of 25,000 and rising, it has turned from an economic power-house to a crippled giant; with power-cuts expected as normal, official corruption being almost endemic, foreign investment at an all-time low; and this is the country some want to nudge to clowns in Harare?

Do me a favour!

By: dudeinwales

dudeinwales — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:37:39 +0000

The reason why South Africa is no longer regarded as part of “The West” is precisely because it no longer retains the attributes of a western nation.

By: veryretired

veryretired — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:10:56 +0000

It’s easy to forget, as we congratulate ourselves on the success and power of the anglosphere, that western political traditions include some godawful collectivist nonsense, and dictatorial practices that were not all discredited with the defeat of the nazis in WW2.

Bad government, corruption, and tribal politics placed above national interests are not strangers to western political history and practice.

Having said that, the disastrous regime in Zimbabwe, among others, is a glaring example of the value of “world opinion” and “international values”, and a sad commentary on the decline of the SA government from a position in which it had at least some moral credibility.

When Mandela declined to be just another African “President for Life”, ala Mugabe, and so many others, I had some hopes for the effort SA was making. Most of those have been dashed, I’m afraid.

By: Shannon Love

Shannon Love — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:47:21 +0000

RE,

I suppose so but I would point out that Europeans have lived in South Africa as long as they have lived in the Americas. Most of the peoples of South Africa have lived under Western law and political systems for centuries. I just wonder how much it has really changed in 15 years.

By: RE

RE — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:10:13 +0000

It seems perfectly natural to me. When control was passed back to the indigenous peoples the symbolism placed them back into the African sphere. Likewise with Rhodesia, India, or Hong Kong.