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	<title>Comments on: O-5 and the Peter Principle</title>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>err... that should have been &#039;the 80s and early 90s&#039;..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>err&#8230; that should have been &#8216;the 80s and early 90s&#8217;..</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the interwar renowned military theorists on armored warfare, J.F.C. Fuller, published a nice little pamphlet titled “Generalship, Its Diseases and Their Cures, A Study of The Personal Factor in Command”.  First printing in the US by the Military Service Publishing Co of Harrisburg PA in March 1936.  I always enjoyed that title. 

O5, at least in the Army, is a often the rank of battalion commander.  The battalion is a significant maneuver element within the combat organizational structure and the first element to have combined arms integration for command and control purposes.  To use the common vernacular, where the rubber meets the road. It is also the worker level for Division staff.  The General Staff elements, G-1 through G-5, are usually O6 billets for the head of the staff section, but that usually ends up managing and coordinating with those in the grade below doing the execution of work.  Back in the 80s and early 80s, the Army officer evaluation reporting system had the senior rater as the Division commander for the battalion commanders and senior members of his general staff.  Those annual [and change of command] reports could make or break a career, if your career goals were further advancement up the chain of command.  It would influence personnel management actions such as selections for War College and joint assignments, multi-service or multi-national, where because of the Goldwaters-Nichols Act were required for senior command positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the interwar renowned military theorists on armored warfare, J.F.C. Fuller, published a nice little pamphlet titled “Generalship, Its Diseases and Their Cures, A Study of The Personal Factor in Command”.  First printing in the US by the Military Service Publishing Co of Harrisburg PA in March 1936.  I always enjoyed that title. </p>
<p>O5, at least in the Army, is a often the rank of battalion commander.  The battalion is a significant maneuver element within the combat organizational structure and the first element to have combined arms integration for command and control purposes.  To use the common vernacular, where the rubber meets the road. It is also the worker level for Division staff.  The General Staff elements, G-1 through G-5, are usually O6 billets for the head of the staff section, but that usually ends up managing and coordinating with those in the grade below doing the execution of work.  Back in the 80s and early 80s, the Army officer evaluation reporting system had the senior rater as the Division commander for the battalion commanders and senior members of his general staff.  Those annual [and change of command] reports could make or break a career, if your career goals were further advancement up the chain of command.  It would influence personnel management actions such as selections for War College and joint assignments, multi-service or multi-national, where because of the Goldwaters-Nichols Act were required for senior command positions.</p>
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		<title>By: James A Pacella</title>
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		<dc:creator>James A Pacella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a diagram or list of what set of positions O-5 is a member of?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a diagram or list of what set of positions O-5 is a member of?</p>
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		<title>By: James A Pacella</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4904.html/comment-page-1#comment-51197</link>
		<dc:creator>James A Pacella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I read that all the common held &quot;Worst Managers of 1990s in Corporate America&quot; were all managers at AT&amp;T at one time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I read that all the common held &#8220;Worst Managers of 1990s in Corporate America&#8221; were all managers at AT&amp;T at one time.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatyana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatyana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t claim to have an informed opinion, I left the country before his time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t claim to have an informed opinion, I left the country before his time.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word from AT&amp;T during the breakup of the Bell System (1982-1984)was &quot;We don&#039;t think you have the skill set we are looking for in the new AT&amp;T&quot;. Of course, said by older managers who got their Bell Shaped heads in the old AT&amp;T to the younger managers who might have made a difference.

And we all know how that exercise turned out.

Regards

JJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word from AT&amp;T during the breakup of the Bell System (1982-1984)was &#8220;We don&#8217;t think you have the skill set we are looking for in the new AT&amp;T&#8221;. Of course, said by older managers who got their Bell Shaped heads in the old AT&amp;T to the younger managers who might have made a difference.</p>
<p>And we all know how that exercise turned out.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>JJ</p>
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		<title>By: John Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I was alliterating. And taking some liberties, but you still think he&#039;s a non-entity, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I was alliterating. And taking some liberties, but you still think he&#8217;s a non-entity, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Tatyana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatyana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ, I didn&#039;t use that word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ, I didn&#8217;t use that word.</p>
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