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		<title>By: Ralf Goergens</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4991.html/comment-page-1#comment-71586</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf Goergens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Aaron ;)</description>
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		<title>By: Ralf Goergens</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4991.html/comment-page-1#comment-71585</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf Goergens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks AAron, I&#039;ll take a look</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks AAron, I&#8217;ll take a look</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4991.html/comment-page-1#comment-71002</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralf, I just added a comment on my site, which I turned into a post, that should help explain why accelerating near peak torque is generally better.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://cumulativemodel.blogspot.com/2007/06/why-peak-torque.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why Peak Torque&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralf, I just added a comment on my site, which I turned into a post, that should help explain why accelerating near peak torque is generally better.</p>
<p><a href="http://cumulativemodel.blogspot.com/2007/06/why-peak-torque.html" rel="nofollow">Why Peak Torque</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ralf Goergens</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4991.html/comment-page-1#comment-70524</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf Goergens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David and others, thanks, I&#039;ll take those points into consideration for my follow-up posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David and others, thanks, I&#8217;ll take those points into consideration for my follow-up posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralf Goergens</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4991.html/comment-page-1#comment-70523</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf Goergens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett,

that would be too complicated and costly, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett,</p>
<p>that would be too complicated and costly, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4991.html/comment-page-1#comment-70448</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://neuroeconomics.typepad.com/neuroeconomics/2007/05/politician_mana.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Commercial app in Virginia/DC&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://neuroeconomics.typepad.com/neuroeconomics/2007/05/politician_mana.html" rel="nofollow">Commercial app in Virginia/DC</a></p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this topic and wouldn&#039;t mind getting involved in a conversation.

Also, on surface streets, I generally say that speeding is bad.  However, the timing of lights has gotten bad in our area.  Going down Mound rd at the speedlimit will now cause you to hit almost every light.  You actually need to go 51mph instead of 45.  So having a good light synching program is very important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this topic and wouldn&#8217;t mind getting involved in a conversation.</p>
<p>Also, on surface streets, I generally say that speeding is bad.  However, the timing of lights has gotten bad in our area.  Going down Mound rd at the speedlimit will now cause you to hit almost every light.  You actually need to go 51mph instead of 45.  So having a good light synching program is very important.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4991.html/comment-page-1#comment-69988</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s often blamed on the whether, but Michigan is famous for it&#039;s deteriorated roads.  Our weather is not worse than Chicago.  A big problem is poor construction/planning and generally acceptance of MASSIVE overloading, which in addition to the damage, takes a massive toll on traffic.  There are often several trucks at interesections that can barely crawl to a start during rush hours!

As for passanger cars, I have &lt;a href=&quot;http://cumulativemodel.blogspot.com/2007/05/high-gas-prices-are-destroying-my-fuel.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some posts&lt;/a&gt;.  Comments are good too.

For commercial, I think Ford is doing some good stuff.  Using GPS and computers to provide advice on good driving habbits.  Provides target speeds to avoid stops etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s often blamed on the whether, but Michigan is famous for it&#8217;s deteriorated roads.  Our weather is not worse than Chicago.  A big problem is poor construction/planning and generally acceptance of MASSIVE overloading, which in addition to the damage, takes a massive toll on traffic.  There are often several trucks at interesections that can barely crawl to a start during rush hours!</p>
<p>As for passanger cars, I have <a href="http://cumulativemodel.blogspot.com/2007/05/high-gas-prices-are-destroying-my-fuel.html" rel="nofollow">some posts</a>.  Comments are good too.</p>
<p>For commercial, I think Ford is doing some good stuff.  Using GPS and computers to provide advice on good driving habbits.  Provides target speeds to avoid stops etc.</p>
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		<title>By: wogie1</title>
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		<dc:creator>wogie1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite correct, heavy truck fuel taxes do not cover the damage they cause to highways (less than 80%). Passenger vehicles and pickup truck fuel taxes cross subsidize the heavy trucks. The increased interest in toll roads is driven by the outlook that the feder highway trust fund is expected to be  insolvent about 2011 (taxes haven&#039;t been raised since 1992).  Some private investment concerns will have to be considered in policy-making in this  area, in my view. That is, assurances will be needed that a parallel public road will not be built to compete with the toll road project. For example, a tollroad from riverside to Newport Beach area went bankrupt when capacity on the parallel highway was expande. The Chicago Skyway toll road was another example where it went bust and the City took it over (It has recently again been privatized, though).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite correct, heavy truck fuel taxes do not cover the damage they cause to highways (less than 80%). Passenger vehicles and pickup truck fuel taxes cross subsidize the heavy trucks. The increased interest in toll roads is driven by the outlook that the feder highway trust fund is expected to be  insolvent about 2011 (taxes haven&#8217;t been raised since 1992).  Some private investment concerns will have to be considered in policy-making in this  area, in my view. That is, assurances will be needed that a parallel public road will not be built to compete with the toll road project. For example, a tollroad from riverside to Newport Beach area went bankrupt when capacity on the parallel highway was expande. The Chicago Skyway toll road was another example where it went bust and the City took it over (It has recently again been privatized, though).</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4991.html/comment-page-1#comment-69511</link>
		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralf, here are a few things that might be relevant. There seems to be considerable interest in Europe in making more use of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/05/business/trans06.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;river/canal transport&lt;/a&gt;...here&#039;s a piece specifically on the potential of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.icpdr.org/icpdr/static/dw2005_3/dw0305p13.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Danube&lt;/a&gt;.

Also, here&#039;s an interesting document on transportation planning for the Appalachian region in the US--&lt;a href=&quot;http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:tPN-mJRCbOoJ:www.arc.gov/index.do%3FnodeId%3D2552+europe+barge+freight&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=5&amp;gl=us&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt; is to a page focusing on container-on-barge, but the page contains a link to a PDF with the overall planning document.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralf, here are a few things that might be relevant. There seems to be considerable interest in Europe in making more use of <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/05/business/trans06.php" rel="nofollow">river/canal transport</a>&#8230;here&#8217;s a piece specifically on the potential of the <a href="http://www.icpdr.org/icpdr/static/dw2005_3/dw0305p13.htm" rel="nofollow">Danube</a>.</p>
<p>Also, here&#8217;s an interesting document on transportation planning for the Appalachian region in the US&#8211;<a href="http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:tPN-mJRCbOoJ:www.arc.gov/index.do%3FnodeId%3D2552+europe+barge+freight&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=5&amp;gl=us" rel="nofollow">this link</a> is to a page focusing on container-on-barge, but the page contains a link to a PDF with the overall planning document.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Bellmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Bellmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize this is probably too sensible to be implemented, but wouldn&#039;t the simplest answer be to instrument representative sections of pavement with strain gauges, and in a system similar to red light cameras, fine any vehicle which created excessive pavement loading?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize this is probably too sensible to be implemented, but wouldn&#8217;t the simplest answer be to instrument representative sections of pavement with strain gauges, and in a system similar to red light cameras, fine any vehicle which created excessive pavement loading?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Coupal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Coupal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember many years ago the semis bearing a sign on back saying &quot;This vehicle pays $XXXXX. in taxes yearly&quot;, when people were worried about the damage to road surfaces caused by heavy trucks.  

At the time, I thought the claim was probably true, but that the annual damage to road surface and roadbed from the heavier vehicle was probably many times that amount. As the above post says, the taxpayer foots that extra cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember many years ago the semis bearing a sign on back saying &#8220;This vehicle pays $XXXXX. in taxes yearly&#8221;, when people were worried about the damage to road surfaces caused by heavy trucks.  </p>
<p>At the time, I thought the claim was probably true, but that the annual damage to road surface and roadbed from the heavier vehicle was probably many times that amount. As the above post says, the taxpayer foots that extra cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hodges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hodges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 01:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Florida is breaking out in a pox (or flowering if you prefer) of public/private toll road authorities, with the usual patronage appointments of commissioners, insider consulting firms awarded the planning work, and land developers pushing the alignments around to make their swamplands more accessible.  It is utopian to think that a road in the U.S. is built in response to a rational plan or even a need.  Is it better than just letting the public agencies muddle on?  Too soon to tell - check back in 50 years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florida is breaking out in a pox (or flowering if you prefer) of public/private toll road authorities, with the usual patronage appointments of commissioners, insider consulting firms awarded the planning work, and land developers pushing the alignments around to make their swamplands more accessible.  It is utopian to think that a road in the U.S. is built in response to a rational plan or even a need.  Is it better than just letting the public agencies muddle on?  Too soon to tell &#8211; check back in 50 years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thought re rail: there was recently a WSJ article on the extreme difficulty of expanding seaports in Europe, due to the various environmental, historical-site, and general NIMBY restrictions...the article suggested that this trend will bottleneck European exports from China and other Far Eastern countries.

A little research indicated that there is in fact freight rail service from China to Europe at present, and there are apparently a couple of projects being considered for greatly enhanced capacity on  various alternative routes. Seems to me this could be pretty signficant in several ways, including economic development in China in regions that are currently being bypassed. I wonder, though, if the European rail freight infrastructure is robust enough to handle greatly increased traffic...my perception is that the answer is &quot;no&quot; and the Euro rail development has focused perhaps too exclusively on the passenger segment---although river and canal freight does handle some of the kinds of traffic that would go by rail in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thought re rail: there was recently a WSJ article on the extreme difficulty of expanding seaports in Europe, due to the various environmental, historical-site, and general NIMBY restrictions&#8230;the article suggested that this trend will bottleneck European exports from China and other Far Eastern countries.</p>
<p>A little research indicated that there is in fact freight rail service from China to Europe at present, and there are apparently a couple of projects being considered for greatly enhanced capacity on  various alternative routes. Seems to me this could be pretty signficant in several ways, including economic development in China in regions that are currently being bypassed. I wonder, though, if the European rail freight infrastructure is robust enough to handle greatly increased traffic&#8230;my perception is that the answer is &#8220;no&#8221; and the Euro rail development has focused perhaps too exclusively on the passenger segment&#8212;although river and canal freight does handle some of the kinds of traffic that would go by rail in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralf Goergens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralf Goergens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, David. The boom in ethanol production in the US also has been very good for your railway companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, David. The boom in ethanol production in the US also has been very good for your railway companies.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The freight rail business has actually been doing pretty well in the United States: rail is a particularly good fit to imports, with the containers offloaded from ship to train at the port and then to truck at a point relatively near the destination. For inbound parts &amp; materials used in manufacturing, one inhibitor to rail is, as you suggest, the emphasis on the lean/just-in-time approach. (Nearby location of suppliers, of course, is an alternative that reduces the demand for transportation of *whatever* mode.)

Here&#039;s a post on a new company that is working to recapture share for rail in the long-haul shipment of &lt;a href=&quot;http://photoncourier.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_photoncourier_archive.html#4245723095855388435&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fruits and vegetables&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The freight rail business has actually been doing pretty well in the United States: rail is a particularly good fit to imports, with the containers offloaded from ship to train at the port and then to truck at a point relatively near the destination. For inbound parts &amp; materials used in manufacturing, one inhibitor to rail is, as you suggest, the emphasis on the lean/just-in-time approach. (Nearby location of suppliers, of course, is an alternative that reduces the demand for transportation of *whatever* mode.)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a post on a new company that is working to recapture share for rail in the long-haul shipment of <a href="http://photoncourier.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_photoncourier_archive.html#4245723095855388435" rel="nofollow">fruits and vegetables</a>.</p>
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