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If Palestinians really want a country, they should use the land they have and build their own nation. Nobody is going to give them Israel. If they need more land, there is lots of totally hot unoccupied land facing the Red Sea. They can conquer that. Remember, America’s most famous town is in the desert and its most famous valley is named after sand.

The statement of President Yasser Arafat Gaza, 17 September 2001.

“We stand, with the victims, against terrorism.

“The terrorist crime in New York and Washington is a great disaster that affected all humanity and struck at civilization and human decency.

“From Bethlehem, the cradle of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, from Jerusalem and Al Haram Ash-shareef, the ascendance of prophet Muhammad to Heaven, and from the churches and mosques on our holy land, rises the voice of the injured and tortured Palestinian offering his condolences and consolations to the friendly American people and its leadership who were struck by this malicious terrorist crime that caused the death of thousands of its innocent sons.

“I, and the people of Palestine, suffering from occupation, pray for the innocent victims in New York and Washington. We join our voices to all those sincere ones calling for joint action under the flag of the United Nations to destroy all forms of terrorism, which is a danger to humanity and to the sacred human right to life.

“Peace should prevail for the sake of all humanity, and in the Holy Land, the Land of Peace.”

Take heart, Lex. You won this one twice.

I don’t assume they will be contented with anything less than the murder of every Jew in Israel.

They cheered, danced in the streets and shot their guns in the air on 9/11. I recall it well. No amount of suffering they may experience will ever elicit any pity from me.

Their decision to engage in a civil war amongst themselves is a typical, for them, display of stupidity, and is no one’s fault but their own.

I tend to focus on the role of the U.S. and Israel only because I think they alone
are in a position to implement solutions, not because I think they are solely or primarily to blame for the conflict.

My low expectations for the Palestinians are in no way the result of “soft
bigotry.” Rather, my assessment is based on the political and economic condition of Palestine, which has been under siege for more than half a century and whose people have lived mostly as refugees for the entire time.

The Palestinians currently lack the civil institutions required for stability:
that is partly their fault and partly the fault of the U.S./Israel which has
done so much to degrade the economic, social and political stability of
Palestine.

Sol Vason demonstrates why so many of Palestinians insist that
negotiating with Israel is a waste of time. Mr. Vason asserts that all of
Palestine itself rightly belongs to Jews. In other words, he denies the right of
Palestine to exist. Understandably, Israelis decline to negotiate with
parties that deny their right to exist. We should expect the same from
Palestinians, regardless of whether the U.S. MSM ignores Israel’s tacit and, in some cases, explicit denial of their right to exist.

Mr. Vason even piles on the absurd notion that Arab numerical
superiority somehow justifies the denial of Palestine’s right to
exist—a risible interpretation of the concept of majority rule. If I am a
Palestinian olive farmer whose grove is seized by Israel, bulldozed and
turned into a Jewish-only suburb, the fact that Jews are a minority in the
area and the region does nothing to assuage me. I want my land back, of course,
and the fact that the people who took it now suggest that I should be happy enough to give up my
land because there are very many Arabs elsewhere only makes me think I’m
dealing with an insanely chauvinistic party that has no intention of
negotiating in good faith.

Why does Lex assume that Palestinians should be contented with Israel’s unilateral withdrawal from Gaza? We know that at the very same time Israel was evacuating Jewish-only enclaves in Gaza, it was expanding them in the West Bank, a far more consequential action. Just because the U.S. MSM ignored that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

If the Palestinians agreed to halt attacks in Tel Aviv, while increasing them in Jerusalem, would anyone expect Israel to respond favorably? Of course not.

From a Palestinian point of view, the Gaza pullout was a strategic move aimed at making it easier for Israel to consolidate control over the West Bank. To be sure, the move offered a strategic opportunity to the Palestinians, though a much less significant one and one that would require far greater diplomatic and political skill to act on. Given the lack of civil institutions and the aggressive exploitation of divisions between Palestine’s radicals and moderates, religious and secular leaders, it’s ludicrous to suggest that a significant opening was squandered by a “nihilistic” mob.

No international body, not one of Israel’s neighbors and not even its hand-in-glove ally the U.S. approved or assisted the Gaza pullout, which unsurprisingly proved both temporary and partial.

Since then, Israel has repeatedly attacked Gaza, destroying its electrical grid, bridges and other key survival infrastructure, and still maintains tight control over travel to and from the area.

That these attacks and oppression are in response to Palestinian incursions into Israel offers some degree of moral justification, but does not mitigate the consequences or diminish the aggrievedness of ordinary Palestinians in Gaza who have seen their homes bombed and infrastructure destroyed.

The land was taken from the Palestinians over 60 years ago. The guys from whom it was taken are all dead of old age. The injured parties are gone. That argument is dead.

Now if you are arguing about the rights of heirs – remember the Palestinian forefathers stole the land from Jews, which Jews were given the land in battles blessed by God Himself.
And that’s from the same Book that is the basis of Islam.

In terms of the total land of Middle East Israel represents less than 1% of the area. Islam controls the other 99%. Islam has all the oil wealth, 98% of the arable land, a 98% of the major cities and over 90% of college graduates. Yet it squanders these resources on an unholy obsession over Israel’s insignificant little patch of ground in a distant corner of the Mediterranean basin.

The tyrants who rule the middle east use Israel to keep themselves in power. If they screw up their economy, they blame it on the Jews; if a harvest fails, blame it on the Jews; if wells run dry, blame it on the Jews; if gas prices go up, blame it on the Jews; if oil prices go down, blame it on the Jews; if children are hungry, blame it on the Jews. The Imams do the same thing because it feeds their families and makes them important. Is this nihilism? No, its the same politics practiced through out the world through out history whenever there have been Jews close by. It is the way incompetent leaders justify their deeds.

So all this anti-Israeli stuff is a crock of anti-Jewishness (can’t say anti-Semitism cause they’re all Semites).

On your second point. Palestinian funding came from people, many of whom are Jews, who want peace between Israel and Palestinians. When Hamas got elected on a platform which includes a pledge to destroy Israel the funding was cut off. Of course.

So, Oliver, stop listening to the MSM and the Imams and start reading the blogs listed on the right side of this page. Then you will know what’s going on.

Hamas was duly elected, only to have its funding cut off and siphoned to an unelected opposition, which subsequently proceeded to attempt a violent coup.

Nihilism? War attracts it, every time. We all know what happened in Haditha, Bagram and Abu Ghraib. Nothing special about the Palestinians, though there is the conundrum that has both sides of the Palestine-Israel dispute growing increasingly radical and violent. Given Israel’s superior firepower, it has been far more effective in liquidating moderate Palestinian elements, allowing only the most radical to survive.
Recall that Arafat’s pleas for international intervention in the conflict were rejected by both the U.S. and Israel. How can anyone call a plea for international peacekeepiong forces nihilism? For his efforts, Arafat was barricaded by Israel inside his pathetic “headquarters” incommunicado with the Palestinian Authority and a flagrant symbol of impotence. Now, the U.S. and Israel find themselves desperately left to support Fatah remnants. Nihilism indeed.

Um….Europe always seems in a forgiving mood……

The Palestinians have a genius for using up any good will anyone may have toward them.

Simple test: Suppose that the entire population of Israel decided to move to Florida. Does anyone seriously believe that former Palestinian terrorists would now devote themselves to farming, teaching, and the building of factories and hospitals?