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		<title>By: Logistics Guy</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5111.html/comment-page-1#comment-254075</link>
		<dc:creator>Logistics Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The analysis is too limited to be anything but misleading. For instance, the basis for these calculations is way off because the 423 ton-miles-gallon that you started with is an average that is primarily based upon moving heavy bulk commodities long distances (i.e. coal, steel, aggregates). It doesn’t apply to a light commodity such as packaged tangerines. 

For example, your model would indicate that if rail tracks ran the 60 miles from the local farm to my doorstep that would be the most efficient transportation mode. A commodity like this would move in a boxcar. The load would cube out without reaching the weight limit. The lading weight may only be ~60,000 lbs. The tare weight on a 50’ boxcar is approximately 65,000 lbs. Common sense should tell you it wouldn’t be efficient to move 0.27 lb of steel railcar for each 0.25 lb tangerine. Not to mention I don’t need 240,000 tangerines. You’re also ignoring a bunch of other things such as all of the energy costs associated with building and supporting a transportation network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The analysis is too limited to be anything but misleading. For instance, the basis for these calculations is way off because the 423 ton-miles-gallon that you started with is an average that is primarily based upon moving heavy bulk commodities long distances (i.e. coal, steel, aggregates). It doesn’t apply to a light commodity such as packaged tangerines. </p>
<p>For example, your model would indicate that if rail tracks ran the 60 miles from the local farm to my doorstep that would be the most efficient transportation mode. A commodity like this would move in a boxcar. The load would cube out without reaching the weight limit. The lading weight may only be ~60,000 lbs. The tare weight on a 50’ boxcar is approximately 65,000 lbs. Common sense should tell you it wouldn’t be efficient to move 0.27 lb of steel railcar for each 0.25 lb tangerine. Not to mention I don’t need 240,000 tangerines. You’re also ignoring a bunch of other things such as all of the energy costs associated with building and supporting a transportation network.</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply David. If I&#039;m not mistaken, you have accounted for high-efficiency trucking to and from the railheads (and &quot;from&quot; the domestic seaport). A few remaining questions:

1) What about transportation &quot;to&quot; the overseas seaport?
2) Is the assumption of high-efficiency trucking valid? Probably it is most valid for large farms that can benefit from big trucks.

What I get out of your helpful analysis is this:

1) Carbon-emission-wise, don&#039;t worry too much about the efficient parts of the supply chain.
2) Do worry about air freight. (perhaps uncommon)
3) Do worry about low-efficiency trucking.
4) Usage level of low-efficiency trucking is probably, roughly proportional to 
   a) how much we rely on small farms and 
   b) how far away small farms are from high-efficiency transportation hubs. 

I am not sure if we should be &lt;i&gt;too&lt;/i&gt; concerned about low-efficiency trucking. In the long run, we will use it less and less -- note that even small farms are close to other small farms, and these folks have incentive to aggregate their production in local transportation hubs that can use high-efficiency trucking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply David. If I&#8217;m not mistaken, you have accounted for high-efficiency trucking to and from the railheads (and &#8220;from&#8221; the domestic seaport). A few remaining questions:</p>
<p>1) What about transportation &#8220;to&#8221; the overseas seaport?<br />
2) Is the assumption of high-efficiency trucking valid? Probably it is most valid for large farms that can benefit from big trucks.</p>
<p>What I get out of your helpful analysis is this:</p>
<p>1) Carbon-emission-wise, don&#8217;t worry too much about the efficient parts of the supply chain.<br />
2) Do worry about air freight. (perhaps uncommon)<br />
3) Do worry about low-efficiency trucking.<br />
4) Usage level of low-efficiency trucking is probably, roughly proportional to<br />
   a) how much we rely on small farms and<br />
   b) how far away small farms are from high-efficiency transportation hubs. </p>
<p>I am not sure if we should be <i>too</i> concerned about low-efficiency trucking. In the long run, we will use it less and less &#8212; note that even small farms are close to other small farms, and these folks have incentive to aggregate their production in local transportation hubs that can use high-efficiency trucking.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2007/08/tangerines-by-gallon.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Iron Man at Political Calculations&lt;/a&gt; has built one of his fabulous calculators to allow you to calculate the the tangerines per gallon for your favorite fruit vegetable or samurai sword.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2007/08/tangerines-by-gallon.html" rel="nofollow">The Iron Man at Political Calculations</a> has built one of his fabulous calculators to allow you to calculate the the tangerines per gallon for your favorite fruit vegetable or samurai sword.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For rail shipment, I added 100 miles of truck transport to get the goods to &amp; from the railheads. For sea transport, I assumed 160 miles of trucking from Wilmington (NC) to Chapel Hill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For rail shipment, I added 100 miles of truck transport to get the goods to &amp; from the railheads. For sea transport, I assumed 160 miles of trucking from Wilmington (NC) to Chapel Hill.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that it would be fair to assume that the distance from production farms to distribution centers is roughly equivalent to the distance from local farms to local stores. In other words, we should add the global rail/boat/plane costs to the pickup truck cost, not compare it. Unless, that is, all farms are at rail stations or ports or what have you, which I somehow doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that it would be fair to assume that the distance from production farms to distribution centers is roughly equivalent to the distance from local farms to local stores. In other words, we should add the global rail/boat/plane costs to the pickup truck cost, not compare it. Unless, that is, all farms are at rail stations or ports or what have you, which I somehow doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sense a lot of closedmindedness here. Instead of assuming the worst, why not try to understand what motivates people?

In my case, I understand that buying local is becoming quite popular. The reasons are probably two:

1) Some people probably do it because they value local farmers more than remote farmers. I don&#039;t subscribe to that philosophy. As commenters have said, remote farmers are just as deserving.
2) Many people do it because they believe they are reducing their carbon footprint. OK, a few issues here.
    a) First, I generally feel that a carbon tax would do the trick here. 
    b) But, buying local is not just &quot;an inefficient approximation&quot; to a carbon tax. It is about changing people&#039;s value system in a way that will change their demand curve. If people get some moral value out of buying local (or conserving home energy, or whatever) then the resulting consumption switch can be an efficient result. The value system of people can change, and when that happens, it can change the equilibrium.
    c) I agree that people who buy local to reduce CO2 had better be sure they are actually doing that. I&#039;ve seen some mixed evidence here, but (i) I think the environmentalist community is sufficiently self-critical to &quot;get the message&quot; once definitive research comes out in either way, (ii) I&#039;m sure &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; food gets freighted by air, and it would make sense to target that per David Foster&#039;s great analysis; (iii) Efficiency happens with economies of scale. As local-farmer demand increases, the local-food supply chain will increase in efficiency. (iv) It is excellent to point these things out so people can be mindful of them. For example, one could imagine a food-transportation business, targeted at locally-grown foods, which emphasizes high CO2 efficiency (hybrids, electric vehicles, railways).  (v) Note that the tangerines in David Foster&#039;s example are not grown at the seaport, and they are not grown at the train station. Presumably the very beginning of the supply chain, which moves foods to the high-efficiency transportation hubs, is CO2-inefficient. That is left out of David&#039;s otherwise excellent analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sense a lot of closedmindedness here. Instead of assuming the worst, why not try to understand what motivates people?</p>
<p>In my case, I understand that buying local is becoming quite popular. The reasons are probably two:</p>
<p>1) Some people probably do it because they value local farmers more than remote farmers. I don&#8217;t subscribe to that philosophy. As commenters have said, remote farmers are just as deserving.<br />
2) Many people do it because they believe they are reducing their carbon footprint. OK, a few issues here.<br />
    a) First, I generally feel that a carbon tax would do the trick here.<br />
    b) But, buying local is not just &#8220;an inefficient approximation&#8221; to a carbon tax. It is about changing people&#8217;s value system in a way that will change their demand curve. If people get some moral value out of buying local (or conserving home energy, or whatever) then the resulting consumption switch can be an efficient result. The value system of people can change, and when that happens, it can change the equilibrium.<br />
    c) I agree that people who buy local to reduce CO2 had better be sure they are actually doing that. I&#8217;ve seen some mixed evidence here, but (i) I think the environmentalist community is sufficiently self-critical to &#8220;get the message&#8221; once definitive research comes out in either way, (ii) I&#8217;m sure <i>some</i> food gets freighted by air, and it would make sense to target that per David Foster&#8217;s great analysis; (iii) Efficiency happens with economies of scale. As local-farmer demand increases, the local-food supply chain will increase in efficiency. (iv) It is excellent to point these things out so people can be mindful of them. For example, one could imagine a food-transportation business, targeted at locally-grown foods, which emphasizes high CO2 efficiency (hybrids, electric vehicles, railways).  (v) Note that the tangerines in David Foster&#8217;s example are not grown at the seaport, and they are not grown at the train station. Presumably the very beginning of the supply chain, which moves foods to the high-efficiency transportation hubs, is CO2-inefficient. That is left out of David&#8217;s otherwise excellent analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: We(Ms. Edwards) have no Tangerines today &#171; Bakunin, Marx, Friedman, Keynes, and Cartman walk into a bar&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>We(Ms. Edwards) have no Tangerines today &#171; Bakunin, Marx, Friedman, Keynes, and Cartman walk into a bar&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I poached this story from another blog. But it was too amusing to not share. Also the blog has a link to someone&#8217;s math estimating the global footprint of the wanton [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I poached this story from another blog. But it was too amusing to not share. Also the blog has a link to someone&#8217;s math estimating the global footprint of the wanton [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 13:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;buy local&quot; sentiment can be understood in terms of signalling.  What you&#039;re doing is telling your local tribe members that you&#039;re on their side, an ally not a enemy.  From an evolutionary perspective this was a valuable human trait.  Distinguishing and signalling ally versus enemy provided a selective advantage.  That&#039;s my guess as to the popularity of such otherwise impoverishing behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;buy local&#8221; sentiment can be understood in terms of signalling.  What you&#8217;re doing is telling your local tribe members that you&#8217;re on their side, an ally not a enemy.  From an evolutionary perspective this was a valuable human trait.  Distinguishing and signalling ally versus enemy provided a selective advantage.  That&#8217;s my guess as to the popularity of such otherwise impoverishing behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: lm</title>
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		<dc:creator>lm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 02:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see.  We just canned our first tomato sauce of the season; the tomato crop is just ripening.  We&#039;ve got beans, zucchini and cabbage frozen from our earlier harvests.  We grow lots of our own food because we think it tastes better and it&#039;s a kick to get the stuff to grow.

It must have been a long time since you&#039;ve been out to a farm because , you know, they do grow more than one crop at a time.

The tangerine/gallon argument leaves out lots of stuff: carbon footprint of the manufacturing process, of the local cost to transport the tangerines to the train/truck/airport stations, carbon footprint of the workers getting to the train/truck/airport stations.  So I&#039;ve left out lots of stuff, too.

So I say to you chill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see.  We just canned our first tomato sauce of the season; the tomato crop is just ripening.  We&#8217;ve got beans, zucchini and cabbage frozen from our earlier harvests.  We grow lots of our own food because we think it tastes better and it&#8217;s a kick to get the stuff to grow.</p>
<p>It must have been a long time since you&#8217;ve been out to a farm because , you know, they do grow more than one crop at a time.</p>
<p>The tangerine/gallon argument leaves out lots of stuff: carbon footprint of the manufacturing process, of the local cost to transport the tangerines to the train/truck/airport stations, carbon footprint of the workers getting to the train/truck/airport stations.  So I&#8217;ve left out lots of stuff, too.</p>
<p>So I say to you chill.</p>
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		<title>By: JorgXMcKie</title>
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		<dc:creator>JorgXMcKie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh, Lm, are tangerines all you eat?  Where do your wheat-based products come from?  Corn-based?  Eat any potatoes?  Tell you what, why don&#039;t you figure out how much driving you&#039;d have to do to buy each food product you currently consume from the nearest &#039;local grower&#039;?  And do you buy *any* processed foods at all?  After all, they have  to be transported *from* the &#039;local grower&#039; *to* the processor and then *to* the end-seller&#039;s location.  Do you drive to the processor&#039;s plant to pick this stuff up?  How much home-canning do you do, anyway?  (I, by the way, do quite a lot, not because I&#039;m worried about the eco-nazis drive to screw with my lifestyle so much as I grew up that way and think it tastes better.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, Lm, are tangerines all you eat?  Where do your wheat-based products come from?  Corn-based?  Eat any potatoes?  Tell you what, why don&#8217;t you figure out how much driving you&#8217;d have to do to buy each food product you currently consume from the nearest &#8216;local grower&#8217;?  And do you buy *any* processed foods at all?  After all, they have  to be transported *from* the &#8216;local grower&#8217; *to* the processor and then *to* the end-seller&#8217;s location.  Do you drive to the processor&#8217;s plant to pick this stuff up?  How much home-canning do you do, anyway?  (I, by the way, do quite a lot, not because I&#8217;m worried about the eco-nazis drive to screw with my lifestyle so much as I grew up that way and think it tastes better.)</p>
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		<title>By: lm</title>
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		<dc:creator>lm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But wait.  

Where I live the local grocery store is just about as far as the local farms.  So when I go to the local farm to get tangerines rather than to the supermarket there is 0 (zero) gallons of additional fuel used.  I get an infinity of tangerines per gallon by buying from a local producer. (I also support local neighborhoods and communities and get fresher produce besides.) 

As far as I am concerned your argument is full of soot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But wait.  </p>
<p>Where I live the local grocery store is just about as far as the local farms.  So when I go to the local farm to get tangerines rather than to the supermarket there is 0 (zero) gallons of additional fuel used.  I get an infinity of tangerines per gallon by buying from a local producer. (I also support local neighborhoods and communities and get fresher produce besides.) </p>
<p>As far as I am concerned your argument is full of soot!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Tufte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Tufte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is similar to my post from a few weeks back.

I showed that the carbon footprint from a normal day of driving was comparable to that required to produce a couple of cheeseburgers.

Read the whole thing at &lt;a href=&quot;http://voluntaryxchange.typepad.com/voluntaryxchange/2007/07/the-environment.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;voluntaryXchange&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is similar to my post from a few weeks back.</p>
<p>I showed that the carbon footprint from a normal day of driving was comparable to that required to produce a couple of cheeseburgers.</p>
<p>Read the whole thing at <a href="http://voluntaryxchange.typepad.com/voluntaryxchange/2007/07/the-environment.html" rel="nofollow">voluntaryXchange</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Newmark's Door</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newmark's Door</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Fine analysis of &quot;tangerines per gallon&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

You may have heard that John Edwards&#039;s wife recently swore off eating tangerines because she is worried about the carbon footprint of transporting food long distances. David Foster at Chicago Boyz crunches the numbers and reports that tangerines impor...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Fine analysis of &#8220;tangerines per gallon&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>You may have heard that John Edwards&#8217;s wife recently swore off eating tangerines because she is worried about the carbon footprint of transporting food long distances. David Foster at Chicago Boyz crunches the numbers and reports that tangerines impor&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: verity</title>
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		<dc:creator>verity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fetching idea - for a dog.  Where I live we are strangers to house slippers and Saquatches.  By a really amazing coincidence,I am allergic to handcrafts and folk art.

Couldn&#039;t we just subcontract out to a a factory in Indonesia?  This way, the Indonesians get trained in the important art of contributing to the world economy and cash in on carbon footprints before they become yesterday&#039;s fad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fetching idea &#8211; for a dog.  Where I live we are strangers to house slippers and Saquatches.  By a really amazing coincidence,I am allergic to handcrafts and folk art.</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t we just subcontract out to a a factory in Indonesia?  This way, the Indonesians get trained in the important art of contributing to the world economy and cash in on carbon footprints before they become yesterday&#8217;s fad.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie Schultz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;I want to be a carbon Bigfoot.&lt;/i&gt;

Did you see where a neighbor of eco-shrew Laurie David called her a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=3416&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mrs. Carbon Sasquatch?&lt;/a&gt;  It takes some serious bucks to achieve that distinction, Mitch.  Maybe Verity can whip you up some Carbon Sasquatch house slippers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I want to be a carbon Bigfoot.</i></p>
<p>Did you see where a neighbor of eco-shrew Laurie David called her a <a href="http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=3416" rel="nofollow">Mrs. Carbon Sasquatch?</a>  It takes some serious bucks to achieve that distinction, Mitch.  Maybe Verity can whip you up some Carbon Sasquatch house slippers.</p>
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		<title>By: Verity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Verity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David- Actually ... hmmmm .... yes.

Or some way of making a carbon footprint on a bathmat grow larger! Personally, I favour profligacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David- Actually &#8230; hmmmm &#8230;. yes.</p>
<p>Or some way of making a carbon footprint on a bathmat grow larger! Personally, I favour profligacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5111.html/comment-page-1#comment-90932</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to be a carbon Bigfoot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to be a carbon Bigfoot.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5111.html/comment-page-1#comment-90930</link>
		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Verity, you have a cute product idea there. How about bathmats with little footprints on them and the motto--&quot;Watch your carbon footprint. Keep your showers short.&quot;

I bet they&#039;d sell very well, at least in certain venues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Verity, you have a cute product idea there. How about bathmats with little footprints on them and the motto&#8211;&#8221;Watch your carbon footprint. Keep your showers short.&#8221;</p>
<p>I bet they&#8217;d sell very well, at least in certain venues.</p>
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		<title>By: Verity</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5111.html/comment-page-1#comment-90927</link>
		<dc:creator>Verity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where&#039;s everyone getting these carbon footprints from, anyway?  Sounds like a cute bathmat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s everyone getting these carbon footprints from, anyway?  Sounds like a cute bathmat.</p>
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		<title>By: verity</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5111.html/comment-page-1#comment-90877</link>
		<dc:creator>verity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angie - &quot;That would be “AmeriKKKan”, for maximum Moral Outrage.&quot;

Tee hee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angie &#8211; &#8220;That would be “AmeriKKKan”, for maximum Moral Outrage.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tee hee.</p>
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