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	<title>Comments on: Antonioni and Bergman</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Cook</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5117.html/comment-page-1#comment-92812</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tenth Victim.  Ursala Andress.  Hot, hot, hot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tenth Victim.  Ursala Andress.  Hot, hot, hot.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatyana</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5117.html/comment-page-1#comment-91522</link>
		<dc:creator>Tatyana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ and Shannon: I think my 20yo out-intellectualize you both: he now knows for sure that Raphael and Mickelangelo are decisevely NOT ninja turtles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ and Shannon: I think my 20yo out-intellectualize you both: he now knows for sure that Raphael and Mickelangelo are decisevely NOT ninja turtles!</p>
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		<title>By: John Jay</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5117.html/comment-page-1#comment-91496</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shannon - I&#039;m only a partial intellectual, because my mental image includes someone shooting an apple off of the Lone Ranger&#039;s head with a crossbow. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shannon &#8211; I&#8217;m only a partial intellectual, because my mental image includes someone shooting an apple off of the Lone Ranger&#8217;s head with a crossbow. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Jay,

I think I am an intellectual then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Jay,</p>
<p>I think I am an intellectual then.</p>
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		<title>By: John Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shannon -  the definition of an intellectual: someone who can hear the &quot;William Tell Overture&quot; and not think of the Lone Ranger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shannon &#8211;  the definition of an intellectual: someone who can hear the &#8220;William Tell Overture&#8221; and not think of the Lone Ranger.</p>
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		<title>By: joseph hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>joseph hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Arnold? try this
http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/16424</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Arnold? try this<br />
<a href="http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/16424" rel="nofollow">http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/16424</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 05:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always had trouble appreciating these director&#039;s works in full because by the time I got the age I could enjoy I had digested so many allusion, satires and summaries of the works that I couldn&#039;t simply see them as originally intended. I carried far to many preconceptions with me. I imagine others who saw the films long after their initial impact on the culture have the same problem. 

For example, there is now a children&#039;s cartoon on the Cartoon Network called &quot;The Grim Adventures of Bill and Mandy&quot; in which two children challenge Death to a limbo (the dance) contest when he comes to claim the soul of their dead hamster. I can&#039;t imagine that my son will ever be able to watch &quot;The Seventh Seal&quot; without being reminded of that cartoon show. 

It&#039;s just like a generation of American&#039;s cannot listen to &quot;Ride of the Valkyries&quot; without hearing Elmer Fudd singing &quot;Kill the Rabbit, kill the Rabbit!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always had trouble appreciating these director&#8217;s works in full because by the time I got the age I could enjoy I had digested so many allusion, satires and summaries of the works that I couldn&#8217;t simply see them as originally intended. I carried far to many preconceptions with me. I imagine others who saw the films long after their initial impact on the culture have the same problem. </p>
<p>For example, there is now a children&#8217;s cartoon on the Cartoon Network called &#8220;The Grim Adventures of Bill and Mandy&#8221; in which two children challenge Death to a limbo (the dance) contest when he comes to claim the soul of their dead hamster. I can&#8217;t imagine that my son will ever be able to watch &#8220;The Seventh Seal&#8221; without being reminded of that cartoon show. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just like a generation of American&#8217;s cannot listen to &#8220;Ride of the Valkyries&#8221; without hearing Elmer Fudd singing &#8220;Kill the Rabbit, kill the Rabbit!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lexington Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lexington Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Hill gets it wrong, too.  It is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Podhoretz&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Podhoretz&lt;/a&gt;.  He is a creature of nepotism, being the son of Norman Podhoretz, who is one of the original neocons, when that word had an identifiable meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Hill gets it wrong, too.  It is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Podhoretz" rel="nofollow">Podhoretz</a>.  He is a creature of nepotism, being the son of Norman Podhoretz, who is one of the original neocons, when that word had an identifiable meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the name.</description>
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		<title>By: joseph hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>joseph hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the name is &quot;Pothoretz&quot; not &quot;Podhertz,&quot; as is posted here. And he is an awful ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the name is &#8220;Pothoretz&#8221; not &#8220;Podhertz,&#8221; as is posted here. And he is an awful ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And it seems to me an obituary is a time for gratitude&quot;

Amen. The retrospectives with a full acknowldegment of faults and virtues can start later, but at the time of death there is usually family involved, and for a journalist or reviewer to forget that is unpardonable. It&#039;s one of the reaons I won&#039;t watch or listen to Garrison Keillor anymore -the cheers he led for his audience upon the new of Reagan&#039;s death.

When Carter dies, I&#039;m not writing anything about him for 6 months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And it seems to me an obituary is a time for gratitude&#8221;</p>
<p>Amen. The retrospectives with a full acknowldegment of faults and virtues can start later, but at the time of death there is usually family involved, and for a journalist or reviewer to forget that is unpardonable. It&#8217;s one of the reaons I won&#8217;t watch or listen to Garrison Keillor anymore -the cheers he led for his audience upon the new of Reagan&#8217;s death.</p>
<p>When Carter dies, I&#8217;m not writing anything about him for 6 months.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 07:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first time I saw much of either was when I was young, too and in Chicago.  And my children haven&#039;t been willing to sit through them when we&#039;ve had them on in the last year.  But I still think there&#039;s something to enjoy there.



Anyway,  I think I&#039;ve asked before but does anyone remember the Clark Theater? It was only a few block from the stop &amp; I think a block or two from the Civic Center.  It did double bills they changed every day.  The downstairs smelled of heavy strawberry cover up smells and it took a pretty tough or stupid woman to sit down there.  (Actually, even in the woman&#039;s balcony a someewhat unfortunate incident:  a sailor wandered into the next seat during Barbarella - but then Jane Fonda&#039;s faults do not extend to how she looked in that and one could hardly blame the guy, though he was pretty annoying.  Anyway, it was 50 cents on cheap nights and 1.25 on expensive ones; even in those days that was cheap; especially since it ran 24 hours and watching someone adjust their bags for a night&#039;s sleep with a background of Bergman, etc. had a certain charm that I haven&#039;t forgotten.  I was there 68-69; I heard the Clark was closed down soon after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first time I saw much of either was when I was young, too and in Chicago.  And my children haven&#8217;t been willing to sit through them when we&#8217;ve had them on in the last year.  But I still think there&#8217;s something to enjoy there.</p>
<p>Anyway,  I think I&#8217;ve asked before but does anyone remember the Clark Theater? It was only a few block from the stop &amp; I think a block or two from the Civic Center.  It did double bills they changed every day.  The downstairs smelled of heavy strawberry cover up smells and it took a pretty tough or stupid woman to sit down there.  (Actually, even in the woman&#8217;s balcony a someewhat unfortunate incident:  a sailor wandered into the next seat during Barbarella &#8211; but then Jane Fonda&#8217;s faults do not extend to how she looked in that and one could hardly blame the guy, though he was pretty annoying.  Anyway, it was 50 cents on cheap nights and 1.25 on expensive ones; even in those days that was cheap; especially since it ran 24 hours and watching someone adjust their bags for a night&#8217;s sleep with a background of Bergman, etc. had a certain charm that I haven&#8217;t forgotten.  I was there 68-69; I heard the Clark was closed down soon after.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 06:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once saw Seventh Seal and Persona on a double bill. I don&#039;t think I would want to do that again.

That was about 40 years ago when I was an undergraduate at the U of C. It was run by the Doc Films group, that showed a lot of very weird, perhaps even excessively weird, movies on campus. No matter, unless you wanted to get on the IC and go downtown, which was quite a schlep, although we did do that occasionally, it was the only place in Hyde Park to see a movie.

I think that, except for real hard-core film buffs, Bergman is not much watched anymore. I don&#039;t think any of my 3 children, who are in their early 20s, have seen any of his films.

Time marches on. One generation&#039;s monument is another generation&#039;s &quot;I never heard of him.&quot; Bergman now seems like a period piece, perhaps, like Bach and Melville he will be rediscovered, but I kind of doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once saw Seventh Seal and Persona on a double bill. I don&#8217;t think I would want to do that again.</p>
<p>That was about 40 years ago when I was an undergraduate at the U of C. It was run by the Doc Films group, that showed a lot of very weird, perhaps even excessively weird, movies on campus. No matter, unless you wanted to get on the IC and go downtown, which was quite a schlep, although we did do that occasionally, it was the only place in Hyde Park to see a movie.</p>
<p>I think that, except for real hard-core film buffs, Bergman is not much watched anymore. I don&#8217;t think any of my 3 children, who are in their early 20s, have seen any of his films.</p>
<p>Time marches on. One generation&#8217;s monument is another generation&#8217;s &#8220;I never heard of him.&#8221; Bergman now seems like a period piece, perhaps, like Bach and Melville he will be rediscovered, but I kind of doubt it.</p>
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