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		<title>By: That Some Scientists are Mean is Generally Acknowledged, But Also Not Relevant [Pure Pedantry] &#183; New York Articles</title>
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		<dc:creator>That Some Scientists are Mean is Generally Acknowledged, But Also Not Relevant [Pure Pedantry] &#183; New York Articles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is pretty funny, but also quite true. It is from a comment on a post at Chicago Boyz: One of the arguments in Jonathan Rauch&#8217;s &#8220;In Defense of Prejudice,&#8221; is another dirty secret is that, no less than the rest of us, scientists can be dogmatic and pigheaded. &#8220;Although this pigheadedness often damages the careers of individual scientists,&#8221; says Hull, &#8220;it is beneficial for the manifest goal of science,&#8221; which relies on people to invest years in their ideas and defend them passionately. And the dirtiest secret of all, if you believe in the antiseptic popular view of science, is that this most ostensibly rational of enterprises depends on the most irrational of motives-ambition, narcissism, animus, even revenge. &#8220;Scientists acknowledge that among their motivations are natural curiosity, the love of truth, and the desire to help humanity, but other inducements exist as well, and one of them is to &#8216;get that son of a bitch,&#8217;&#8221; says Hull. &#8220;Time and again, scientists whom I interviewed described the powerful spur that &#8217;showing that son of a bitch&#8217; supplied to their own research.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is pretty funny, but also quite true. It is from a comment on a post at Chicago Boyz: One of the arguments in Jonathan Rauch&#8217;s &#8220;In Defense of Prejudice,&#8221; is another dirty secret is that, no less than the rest of us, scientists can be dogmatic and pigheaded. &#8220;Although this pigheadedness often damages the careers of individual scientists,&#8221; says Hull, &#8220;it is beneficial for the manifest goal of science,&#8221; which relies on people to invest years in their ideas and defend them passionately. And the dirtiest secret of all, if you believe in the antiseptic popular view of science, is that this most ostensibly rational of enterprises depends on the most irrational of motives-ambition, narcissism, animus, even revenge. &#8220;Scientists acknowledge that among their motivations are natural curiosity, the love of truth, and the desire to help humanity, but other inducements exist as well, and one of them is to &#8216;get that son of a bitch,&#8217;&#8221; says Hull. &#8220;Time and again, scientists whom I interviewed described the powerful spur that &#8217;showing that son of a bitch&#8217; supplied to their own research.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Yes, scientists can be jerks, but that doesn't invalidate science [Respectful Insolence] &#183; Articles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yes, scientists can be jerks, but that doesn't invalidate science [Respectful Insolence] &#183; Articles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pure Pedantry, I&#8217;ve become aware of a post that resonates over here, given the recent series of posts I did about a certain comic who, unable [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Science Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Exporatorium: Science Communication Innovators</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5120.html/comment-page-1#comment-95647</link>
		<dc:creator>Science Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Exporatorium: Science Communication Innovators</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is pretty funny, but also quite true. It is from a comment on a post at Chicago Boyz: One of the arguments in Jonathan Rauch&#8217;s &#8220;In Defense of Prejudice,&#8221; is another dirty secret is that, no less than the rest of us, scientists can be dogmatic and pigheaded. &#8220;Although this pigheadedness often damages the careers of individual scientists,&#8221; says Hull, &#8220;it is beneficial for the manifest goal of science,&#8221; which relies on people to invest years in their ideas and defend them passionately. And the dirtiest secret of all, if you believe in the antiseptic popular view of science, is that this most ostensibly rational of enterprises depends on the most irrational of motives-ambition, narcissism, animus, even revenge. &#8220;Scientists acknowledge that among their motivations are natural curiosity, the love of truth, and the desire to help humanity, but other inducements exist as well, and one of them is to &#8216;get that son of a bitch,&#8217;&#8221; says Hull. &#8220;Time and again, scientists whom I interviewed described the powerful spur that &#8217;showing that son of a bitch&#8217; supplied to their own research.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is pretty funny, but also quite true. It is from a comment on a post at Chicago Boyz: One of the arguments in Jonathan Rauch&#8217;s &#8220;In Defense of Prejudice,&#8221; is another dirty secret is that, no less than the rest of us, scientists can be dogmatic and pigheaded. &#8220;Although this pigheadedness often damages the careers of individual scientists,&#8221; says Hull, &#8220;it is beneficial for the manifest goal of science,&#8221; which relies on people to invest years in their ideas and defend them passionately. And the dirtiest secret of all, if you believe in the antiseptic popular view of science, is that this most ostensibly rational of enterprises depends on the most irrational of motives-ambition, narcissism, animus, even revenge. &#8220;Scientists acknowledge that among their motivations are natural curiosity, the love of truth, and the desire to help humanity, but other inducements exist as well, and one of them is to &#8216;get that son of a bitch,&#8217;&#8221; says Hull. &#8220;Time and again, scientists whom I interviewed described the powerful spur that &#8217;showing that son of a bitch&#8217; supplied to their own research.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Science Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Genetic Discrimination in the U.S. Military [The Frontal Cortex]</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5120.html/comment-page-1#comment-95604</link>
		<dc:creator>Science Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Genetic Discrimination in the U.S. Military [The Frontal Cortex]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pure Pedantry, I&#8217;ve become aware of a post that resonates over here, given the recent series of posts I did about a certain comic who, unable [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Science Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Get your science blogging while it&#8217;s fresh!</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5120.html/comment-page-1#comment-95449</link>
		<dc:creator>Science Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Get your science blogging while it&#8217;s fresh!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is pretty funny, but also quite true. It is from a comment on a post at Chicago Boyz: One of the arguments in Jonathan Rauch&#8217;s &#8220;In Defense of Prejudice,&#8221; is another dirty secret is that, no less than the rest of us, scientists can be dogmatic and pigheaded. &#8220;Although this pigheadedness often damages the careers of individual scientists,&#8221; says Hull, &#8220;it is beneficial for the manifest goal of science,&#8221; which relies on people to invest years in their ideas and defend them passionately. And the dirtiest secret of all, if you believe in the antiseptic popular view of science, is that this most ostensibly rational of enterprises depends on the most irrational of motives-ambition, narcissism, animus, even revenge. &#8220;Scientists acknowledge that among their motivations are natural curiosity, the love of truth, and the desire to help humanity, but other inducements exist as well, and one of them is to &#8216;get that son of a bitch,&#8217;&#8221; says Hull. &#8220;Time and again, scientists whom I interviewed described the powerful spur that &#8217;showing that son of a bitch&#8217; supplied to their own research.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is pretty funny, but also quite true. It is from a comment on a post at Chicago Boyz: One of the arguments in Jonathan Rauch&#8217;s &#8220;In Defense of Prejudice,&#8221; is another dirty secret is that, no less than the rest of us, scientists can be dogmatic and pigheaded. &#8220;Although this pigheadedness often damages the careers of individual scientists,&#8221; says Hull, &#8220;it is beneficial for the manifest goal of science,&#8221; which relies on people to invest years in their ideas and defend them passionately. And the dirtiest secret of all, if you believe in the antiseptic popular view of science, is that this most ostensibly rational of enterprises depends on the most irrational of motives-ambition, narcissism, animus, even revenge. &#8220;Scientists acknowledge that among their motivations are natural curiosity, the love of truth, and the desire to help humanity, but other inducements exist as well, and one of them is to &#8216;get that son of a bitch,&#8217;&#8221; says Hull. &#8220;Time and again, scientists whom I interviewed described the powerful spur that &#8217;showing that son of a bitch&#8217; supplied to their own research.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JMG3Y</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5120.html/comment-page-1#comment-94563</link>
		<dc:creator>JMG3Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe most everyone in the academy would benefit from reading Bob Sutton&#039;s book, The No Asshole Rule, and some of the posts on his blog 

http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/

such as:

A &quot;Lovely Moment&quot; With the Title in the MBA Classroom
http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/04/a_lovely_moment.html

and C. Kristina Gunsalus&#039;s &quot;The College Administrator&#039;s Survival Guide&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe most everyone in the academy would benefit from reading Bob Sutton&#8217;s book, The No Asshole Rule, and some of the posts on his blog </p>
<p><a href="http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/" rel="nofollow">http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/</a></p>
<p>such as:</p>
<p>A &#8220;Lovely Moment&#8221; With the Title in the MBA Classroom<br />
<a href="http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/04/a_lovely_moment.html" rel="nofollow">http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/04/a_lovely_moment.html</a></p>
<p>and C. Kristina Gunsalus&#8217;s &#8220;The College Administrator&#8217;s Survival Guide&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Yes, scientists can be jerks, but that doesn't invalidate science [Respectful Insolence] &#124; COLE Blog Network dot com</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5120.html/comment-page-1#comment-94508</link>
		<dc:creator>Yes, scientists can be jerks, but that doesn't invalidate science [Respectful Insolence] &#124; COLE Blog Network dot com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pure Pedantry, I&#8217;ve become aware of a post that resonates over here, given the recent series of posts I did about a certain comic who, unable [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Yes, scientists can be jerks, but that doesn't invalidate science [Respectful Insolence] &#183; Kokorec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yes, scientists can be jerks, but that doesn't invalidate science [Respectful Insolence] &#183; Kokorec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pure Pedantry, I&#8217;ve become aware of a post that resonates over here, given the recent series of posts I did about a certain comic who, unable [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Respectful Insolence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Respectful Insolence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Yes, scientists can be jerks, but that doesn&#039;t invalidate science...&lt;/strong&gt;

&amp;pVia Pure Pedantry, I&#039;ve become aware of a post that resonates over here, given the recent series of posts I did about a certain comic who, unable to dispute the science behind global warming or the health hazards of secondhand......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Yes, scientists can be jerks, but that doesn&#8217;t invalidate science&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>&amp;pVia Pure Pedantry, I&#8217;ve become aware of a post that resonates over here, given the recent series of posts I did about a certain comic who, unable to dispute the science behind global warming or the health hazards of secondhand&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Yes, scientists can be jerks, but that doesn&#8217;t invalidate science [Respectful Insolence] &#183; New York Articles</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5120.html/comment-page-1#comment-94348</link>
		<dc:creator>Yes, scientists can be jerks, but that doesn&#8217;t invalidate science [Respectful Insolence] &#183; New York Articles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pure Pedantry, I&#8217;ve become aware of a post that resonates over here, given the recent series of posts I did about a certain comic who, unable [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being very nice (I mean, almost exageratingly so) has worked for me until now. The nicer colleagues love it, and it infuriates the concurrents and jackasses like no other behaviour could. I guess it is a form of being mean, just better disguised than the usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being very nice (I mean, almost exageratingly so) has worked for me until now. The nicer colleagues love it, and it infuriates the concurrents and jackasses like no other behaviour could. I guess it is a form of being mean, just better disguised than the usual.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5120.html/comment-page-1#comment-93336</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 04:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a small number of teachers who earn millions of dollars. Have the respect of many people on and off campus. These individuals are evaluated yearly on their effectiveness. They work under intense pressure and competition yet often maintain a humility that is grounded in reality. These teachers are mostly male, though there are a few high paid and high performing females teachers. These female and male teachers are popularly known as &quot;coaches&quot;.  Though they are the first to remind you that what they teach is not rocket science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a small number of teachers who earn millions of dollars. Have the respect of many people on and off campus. These individuals are evaluated yearly on their effectiveness. They work under intense pressure and competition yet often maintain a humility that is grounded in reality. These teachers are mostly male, though there are a few high paid and high performing females teachers. These female and male teachers are popularly known as &#8220;coaches&#8221;.  Though they are the first to remind you that what they teach is not rocket science.</p>
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		<title>By: John Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;most experimental science is cooperative these days.&quot; 

Not true. The exceptions are genetics and particle physics, and perhaps a few others. Most papers in Nature and Science are just a couple of authors. Chemistry (JACS especially), physics (Phys. Rev. Lett., etc.), and even most biology papers are generally jsut a few authors. And I see a trend today of making minor contributors into co-authors who would have merely been mentioned in the acknowledgements in past years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;most experimental science is cooperative these days.&#8221; </p>
<p>Not true. The exceptions are genetics and particle physics, and perhaps a few others. Most papers in Nature and Science are just a couple of authors. Chemistry (JACS especially), physics (Phys. Rev. Lett., etc.), and even most biology papers are generally jsut a few authors. And I see a trend today of making minor contributors into co-authors who would have merely been mentioned in the acknowledgements in past years.</p>
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		<title>By: outraged</title>
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		<dc:creator>outraged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thread.  Nobody has mentioned that most experimental science is cooperative these days.  Any article on gene sequencing will have ten, 20, or 30 authors from almost as many institutions, with the &quot;senior&quot; author (the one who got the grant) usually listed last.

Economics is a holdout. It&#039;s rare to see an economics article with more than 3 authors--is that because econ is rarely experimental?

Also, I have found that some famous and busy researchers are also very good teachers.  The two aren&#039;t always contradictory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thread.  Nobody has mentioned that most experimental science is cooperative these days.  Any article on gene sequencing will have ten, 20, or 30 authors from almost as many institutions, with the &#8220;senior&#8221; author (the one who got the grant) usually listed last.</p>
<p>Economics is a holdout. It&#8217;s rare to see an economics article with more than 3 authors&#8211;is that because econ is rarely experimental?</p>
<p>Also, I have found that some famous and busy researchers are also very good teachers.  The two aren&#8217;t always contradictory.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear it Lex - I was anonymous.  I always forget to put my name in when coming from a different computer.  I think we signed up for it and are happy with it because teaching really is what we do and most of us realize that any real judge of teaching is time - if ten years later someone remembers what went on in class or some point, then we&#039;ve accomplished something.  The generally high morale is because we do feel we are doing something.  I suspect it would be less high if our pay were affected by what some administrator thought we were doing.  

Research is, at least to some extent, different.  If you write an essay and it is published in a flagship journal and is then quoted widely, well, at least for the time being, your research has proved itself.  If you publish a book with a top tier press, then it, too, has proved itself.  (Perhaps it has proved itself &quot;topical&quot; or fitting in with current thinking, but it still has reached a certain level of appreciation that requires some thought and work; peers respect it by the standards of the time.)  Of course, the criticism that is around fifty years later is another test - but, again, that isn&#039;t one we are likely to appreciate in our lifetimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear it Lex &#8211; I was anonymous.  I always forget to put my name in when coming from a different computer.  I think we signed up for it and are happy with it because teaching really is what we do and most of us realize that any real judge of teaching is time &#8211; if ten years later someone remembers what went on in class or some point, then we&#8217;ve accomplished something.  The generally high morale is because we do feel we are doing something.  I suspect it would be less high if our pay were affected by what some administrator thought we were doing.  </p>
<p>Research is, at least to some extent, different.  If you write an essay and it is published in a flagship journal and is then quoted widely, well, at least for the time being, your research has proved itself.  If you publish a book with a top tier press, then it, too, has proved itself.  (Perhaps it has proved itself &#8220;topical&#8221; or fitting in with current thinking, but it still has reached a certain level of appreciation that requires some thought and work; peers respect it by the standards of the time.)  Of course, the criticism that is around fifty years later is another test &#8211; but, again, that isn&#8217;t one we are likely to appreciate in our lifetimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Lexington Green</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5120.html/comment-page-1#comment-92803</link>
		<dc:creator>Lexington Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...pay is based completely on longevity ...I realize that is pretty much against everything this blog stands for ...&quot;

As long as that is the deal everybody signed up for, and it is a private institution, I don&#039;t think it is against anything the blog stands for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;pay is based completely on longevity &#8230;I realize that is pretty much against everything this blog stands for &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>As long as that is the deal everybody signed up for, and it is a private institution, I don&#8217;t think it is against anything the blog stands for.</p>
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		<title>By: dearieme</title>
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		<dc:creator>dearieme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many scientists are such shits that it&#039;s only the power of the controlled experiment that keeps them even half honest.  &quot;Scientists&quot; who don&#039;t do experiments - e.g. Global Warming modellers - are not subject to that constraint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many scientists are such shits that it&#8217;s only the power of the controlled experiment that keeps them even half honest.  &#8220;Scientists&#8221; who don&#8217;t do experiments &#8211; e.g. Global Warming modellers &#8211; are not subject to that constraint.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;many if not most&quot; of course. Duuuuh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;many if not most&#8221; of course. Duuuuh</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty clear that many if most universities tend to value research much more than teaching. If I can slychologize a bit, I would think this would lead to a fair amount of resentment on the part of those faculty members whose interests &amp; abilities are more on the teaching side...after all, the university does *market* itself as a teaching institution.

I wonder how much of the anger that some academics feel toward American society in general is to some extent a displacement of resentment toward university administrators and more senion peers? It&#039;s probably much safer to express resentment against George Bush than against the dean and the world-famous researcher who rarely does any teaching.

If this hypothesis has any validity, then it would also predict that the academics who tend to be most resentful are precisely those who are in most contact with students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty clear that many if most universities tend to value research much more than teaching. If I can slychologize a bit, I would think this would lead to a fair amount of resentment on the part of those faculty members whose interests &amp; abilities are more on the teaching side&#8230;after all, the university does *market* itself as a teaching institution.</p>
<p>I wonder how much of the anger that some academics feel toward American society in general is to some extent a displacement of resentment toward university administrators and more senion peers? It&#8217;s probably much safer to express resentment against George Bush than against the dean and the world-famous researcher who rarely does any teaching.</p>
<p>If this hypothesis has any validity, then it would also predict that the academics who tend to be most resentful are precisely those who are in most contact with students.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will add there are places that do value teaching but none that I&#039;ve heard reward it monetarily.  Indeed, sometimes the teaching awards at research schools go to people who are not good teachers or teach so seldom and to such specialized small classes that it is hard to gauge their teaching as teaching.

Our school values it, but it is a backwater:  we&#039;re a junior college, pay is based completely on longevity (which actually I like, I think it leads to a more collegial atmosphere but I realize that is pretty much against everything this blog stands for).  And, much as I respect and like my dept. chair and dean, I suspect our teaching ability is to a large extent gauged on whether we keep grading on a curve (unlike many schools, we get called in if we give too many A&#039;s &amp; B&#039;s) and how much of a nuisance we are.  That is, we are liked a lot better if there are no grade complaints.  And if we are willing to teach 6 classes when they can&#039;t get anyone else to teach one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will add there are places that do value teaching but none that I&#8217;ve heard reward it monetarily.  Indeed, sometimes the teaching awards at research schools go to people who are not good teachers or teach so seldom and to such specialized small classes that it is hard to gauge their teaching as teaching.</p>
<p>Our school values it, but it is a backwater:  we&#8217;re a junior college, pay is based completely on longevity (which actually I like, I think it leads to a more collegial atmosphere but I realize that is pretty much against everything this blog stands for).  And, much as I respect and like my dept. chair and dean, I suspect our teaching ability is to a large extent gauged on whether we keep grading on a curve (unlike many schools, we get called in if we give too many A&#8217;s &amp; B&#8217;s) and how much of a nuisance we are.  That is, we are liked a lot better if there are no grade complaints.  And if we are willing to teach 6 classes when they can&#8217;t get anyone else to teach one.</p>
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