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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5398.html/comment-page-1#comment-143882</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Stephenson’s book is highly recommended: you can read it in a few hours and will think about it for a long time.&lt;/i&gt;

Stephenson made the text of that work available online - google the title and it&#039;s the first or second hit.  Note that some of the technical bits are dated but relevant to the era when it was written.

Also of note - OS X, the operating system for Macs, features a GUI interface but the textual stuff is available with the click of a mouse.  You don&#039;t have to use this to operate a Mac - you could happily ignore forever - but it&#039;s there.

&lt;i&gt;I also think the Eloi-Morlock distinction may show some changes over time. The first generation of “Tunnel of Oppression” designers may be highly literate and text-oriented, basing their ideas on the reading of people like Foucault–but ten years later, the Tunnels of Oppression may well be designed by people whose own ideas were formed by earlier Tunnels of Oppression, films, and other sensial interfaces.&lt;/i&gt;

Then those second generation tunnel builders cease to be Morlocks and become Eloi who only think they know what is going on.  That will work until there is a change in the foundation of the whole works and Eloi in charge will have no idea how to fix things.  

Then the Morlocks can step in, set things aright and things will go on as before.

If the change of pace continues as it has for the last fifty years (or longer) the foundations of the  tunnels will always be changing.

It&#039;s a good era to be a Morlock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Stephenson’s book is highly recommended: you can read it in a few hours and will think about it for a long time.</i></p>
<p>Stephenson made the text of that work available online &#8211; google the title and it&#8217;s the first or second hit.  Note that some of the technical bits are dated but relevant to the era when it was written.</p>
<p>Also of note &#8211; OS X, the operating system for Macs, features a GUI interface but the textual stuff is available with the click of a mouse.  You don&#8217;t have to use this to operate a Mac &#8211; you could happily ignore forever &#8211; but it&#8217;s there.</p>
<p><i>I also think the Eloi-Morlock distinction may show some changes over time. The first generation of “Tunnel of Oppression” designers may be highly literate and text-oriented, basing their ideas on the reading of people like Foucault–but ten years later, the Tunnels of Oppression may well be designed by people whose own ideas were formed by earlier Tunnels of Oppression, films, and other sensial interfaces.</i></p>
<p>Then those second generation tunnel builders cease to be Morlocks and become Eloi who only think they know what is going on.  That will work until there is a change in the foundation of the whole works and Eloi in charge will have no idea how to fix things.  </p>
<p>Then the Morlocks can step in, set things aright and things will go on as before.</p>
<p>If the change of pace continues as it has for the last fifty years (or longer) the foundations of the  tunnels will always be changing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good era to be a Morlock.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Manifold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be specific, the blogosphere seems to &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt; closer to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/1562/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Spirit of the Tennessee Press&lt;/a&gt;.   Heh.  Indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be specific, the blogosphere seems to <i>me</i> closer to the <a href="http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/1562/" rel="nofollow">Spirit of the Tennessee Press</a>.   Heh.  Indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
McLuhan argued that the media society (television, at the time he wrote) was much closer to oral culture than to print culture.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Since McLuhan there&#039;s been a substantial amount of quantitative work done in comparing the nature of consciousness in primary oral societies and literate ones.  Walter Ong&#039;s work, for example.  Essentially what I&#039;m thinking about is a combining of McLuhan&#039;s thoughts with those of Ong.</description>
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McLuhan argued that the media society (television, at the time he wrote) was much closer to oral culture than to print culture.
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<p>Since McLuhan there&#8217;s been a substantial amount of quantitative work done in comparing the nature of consciousness in primary oral societies and literate ones.  Walter Ong&#8217;s work, for example.  Essentially what I&#8217;m thinking about is a combining of McLuhan&#8217;s thoughts with those of Ong.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also...the writer and medievalist &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.quidplura.com/?p=88&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeff Sypeck&lt;/a&gt; has an interesting post on the very early computer-based messaging systems and how these promoted writing skills for himself and others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also&#8230;the writer and medievalist <a href="http://www.quidplura.com/?p=88" rel="nofollow">Jeff Sypeck</a> has an interesting post on the very early computer-based messaging systems and how these promoted writing skills for himself and others.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave--from your post--&quot;the visual imagery society resembles the oral society more than the literate society that it supplants&quot;...IIRC (and it&#039;s been awhile) McLuhan argued that the media society (television, at the time he wrote) was much closer to oral culture than to print culture.

Regarding the blogosphere, it seems to me closer to a print-based medium than to a visual-imagery-based medium. Perhaps it also has some characteristics of the (pre-printing) manuscript medium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave&#8211;from your post&#8211;&#8221;the visual imagery society resembles the oral society more than the literate society that it supplants&#8221;&#8230;IIRC (and it&#8217;s been awhile) McLuhan argued that the media society (television, at the time he wrote) was much closer to oral culture than to print culture.</p>
<p>Regarding the blogosphere, it seems to me closer to a print-based medium than to a visual-imagery-based medium. Perhaps it also has some characteristics of the (pre-printing) manuscript medium.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post and closely related to a recent on of mine on &lt;a href=&quot;http://theglitteringeye.com/?p=3141&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Visual Imagery Society&lt;/a&gt;.  I think that we may be underestimating the degree to which interface affects cognitive behavior.  Orality, literacy, and visualcy have distinct ways of thinking and it&#039;s my guess that the visualcy more closely resembles orality than it does literacy in its thought patterns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post and closely related to a recent on of mine on <a href="http://theglitteringeye.com/?p=3141" rel="nofollow">The Visual Imagery Society</a>.  I think that we may be underestimating the degree to which interface affects cognitive behavior.  Orality, literacy, and visualcy have distinct ways of thinking and it&#8217;s my guess that the visualcy more closely resembles orality than it does literacy in its thought patterns.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Fraering</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Fraering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I&#039;ve always wondered. Were these ersatz ruins based on the Cold Lairs from the Jungle Books by Kipling?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I&#8217;ve always wondered. Were these ersatz ruins based on the Cold Lairs from the Jungle Books by Kipling?</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay...he didn&#039;t mention the book you reference. I believe he did, however, mention the cathedral as an example of the sensory interface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay&#8230;he didn&#8217;t mention the book you reference. I believe he did, however, mention the cathedral as an example of the sensory interface.</p>
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		<title>By: ElamBend</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElamBend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weird.  I just realized this book existed this week while re-reading the baroque cycle (ok, selections)and seeing it listed in the in the inside cover.  Now, lo and behold, I see it here.  Thank you, I&#039;ve been curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird.  I just realized this book existed this week while re-reading the baroque cycle (ok, selections)and seeing it listed in the in the inside cover.  Now, lo and behold, I see it here.  Thank you, I&#8217;ve been curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Manifold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 02:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, might have to get it.  By any chance does Stephenson make any reference to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Jews-Christian-Art-Illustrated-History/dp/0826409369/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Jews in Christian Art: An Illustrated History&lt;/a&gt;?  I ask because I have read reviews of it that spoke of a sense of impending doom from viewing the accumulation of so many (mostly negative) images, and I suspect that the &quot;unchallenged presentation&quot; of such had far more to do with nurturing European anti-Semitism over the centuries than any purely textually-transmitted memes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, might have to get it.  By any chance does Stephenson make any reference to <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Jews-Christian-Art-Illustrated-History/dp/0826409369/" rel="nofollow">The Jews in Christian Art: An Illustrated History</a>?  I ask because I have read reviews of it that spoke of a sense of impending doom from viewing the accumulation of so many (mostly negative) images, and I suspect that the &#8220;unchallenged presentation&#8221; of such had far more to do with nurturing European anti-Semitism over the centuries than any purely textually-transmitted memes.</p>
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