Comments on: I Agree With You, How About You? http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5637.html Some Chicago Boyz know each other from student days at the University of Chicago. Others are Chicago boys in spirit. The blog name is also intended as a good-humored gesture of admiration for distinguished Chicago boys including those pictured above. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:44:55 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Marty http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5637.html/comment-page-1#comment-202504 Marty Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:23:38 +0000 http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5637.html#comment-202504 He may have been an empty vessel at some point, but now he is hard-left. He is also a trained, experienced community organizer from the Saul Alinsky orbit, which means hard left but esp. that he knows how to dissemble and read and manipulate a crowd, be it 5 people or 50 million. Every black person on the South Side past about 12 years old knows all about Trinity, and Obama has been active in public life for nearly 20 years. The idea that he didn't know about Wright's statements and beliefs is just ludicrous. Reminds me of Fall 2004 after the an rather/Mary Mapes hoax blew up, where people were trying to rationalize that a Texas Air national Guard base was using a very high-end typesetting machine to do memos to file, because such a machine existed and with massive effort could produce results nearly but not quite the same at the memos in question, when MS Word's defaults exactly reproduced them. I men, come on, folks. That is esp for the people saying they don't believe Obama agrees with Wright... what basis do they have for saying that, other than Obama's very late and very grudging statements made under intense pressure. What contemporaneous evidence is there? And as for Wright just sticking up for the poor and oppressed... well, Someone should elaborate on how Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory connects to that. He may have been an empty vessel at some point, but now he is hard-left. He is also a trained, experienced community organizer from the Saul Alinsky orbit, which means hard left but esp. that he knows how to dissemble and read and manipulate a crowd, be it 5 people or 50 million.

Every black person on the South Side past about 12 years old knows all about Trinity, and Obama has been active in public life for nearly 20 years. The idea that he didn’t know about Wright’s statements and beliefs is just ludicrous. Reminds me of Fall 2004 after the an rather/Mary Mapes hoax blew up, where people were trying to rationalize that a Texas Air national Guard base was using a very high-end typesetting machine to do memos to file, because such a machine existed and with massive effort could produce results nearly but not quite the same at the memos in question, when MS Word’s defaults exactly reproduced them. I men, come on, folks.

That is esp for the people saying they don’t believe Obama agrees with Wright… what basis do they have for saying that, other than Obama’s very late and very grudging statements made under intense pressure. What contemporaneous evidence is there?

And as for Wright just sticking up for the poor and oppressed… well, Someone should elaborate on how Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory connects to that.

]]> By: Jim MIller http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5637.html/comment-page-1#comment-201975 Jim MIller Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:05:24 +0000 http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5637.html#comment-201975 Here's an example of his flexibility. Obama was, for almost two decades, simultaneously friends with both Reverend Wright and fixer <a href="http://www.seanet.com/~jimxc/Politics/March2008_2.html#jrm5896" rel="nofollow">Tony Rezko</a>. I think that needs explaining. (And I am almost certain that the explanation will be close to what Ginny is saying in this post.) Here’s an example of his flexibility. Obama was, for almost two decades, simultaneously friends with both Reverend Wright and fixer Tony Rezko. I think that needs explaining. (And I am almost certain that the explanation will be close to what Ginny is saying in this post.)

]]> By: ElamBend http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5637.html/comment-page-1#comment-201887 ElamBend Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:57:11 +0000 http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5637.html#comment-201887 Everyone who has ever known him describes him as an incredibly nice guy (even ones who have known him for longer than just the short time that fakers need to ingratiate themselves, before thy ultimately expose their falseness). However, it you examine his writings, or look to the critiques of his writings (particularly the parts he made up), it seems clear to me that in many ways, he's an empty vessel. Obama was essentially abandoned by both his parents. His whole life he has been looking for an identity. Although he doesn't explicitly state it in his writing (and he may not realize it), he seems to adjust to new identities where ever he goes. He wants to please because he wants to belong. The problem is this: in situations in which we place our presidents, they have to be sure of not only who they are personally, but who their nation is and what it stands for. I don't think he believe in the more radical things his preacher has said. I do find it easier to believe though, that he is so reticent to rock the boat, particularly in this community in which he's ingratiated himself that he just puts his head down and says nothing. It is not a quality that reflects well upon his ability to be president. As he seems likely to be president, I hope he finds some ground to place his feet on. One hopes it would be an unshakable belief in America. He and his wife's comments are not encouraging. Everyone who has ever known him describes him as an incredibly nice guy (even ones who have known him for longer than just the short time that fakers need to ingratiate themselves, before thy ultimately expose their falseness).
However, it you examine his writings, or look to the critiques of his writings (particularly the parts he made up), it seems clear to me that in many ways, he’s an empty vessel. Obama was essentially abandoned by both his parents. His whole life he has been looking for an identity. Although he doesn’t explicitly state it in his writing (and he may not realize it), he seems to adjust to new identities where ever he goes. He wants to please because he wants to belong. The problem is this: in situations in which we place our presidents, they have to be sure of not only who they are personally, but who their nation is and what it stands for. I don’t think he believe in the more radical things his preacher has said. I do find it easier to believe though, that he is so reticent to rock the boat, particularly in this community in which he’s ingratiated himself that he just puts his head down and says nothing. It is not a quality that reflects well upon his ability to be president.
As he seems likely to be president, I hope he finds some ground to place his feet on. One hopes it would be an unshakable belief in America. He and his wife’s comments are not encouraging.

]]> By: Robert Schwartz http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5637.html/comment-page-1#comment-201876 Robert Schwartz Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:32:16 +0000 http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5637.html#comment-201876 He Who Must Not Be Middle Named is a hard core leftist. He is charming, but charming does not equal sound political thought. Everything he has done and said over the last couple of years leads me to that conclusion. Even his vaporous speeches have a leftist oder to them. My own belief is that the man has never had a non-leftist thought in his entire life. He has learned to dissemble around the straights, but he is left wing through and through. He Who Must Not Be Middle Named is a hard core leftist. He is charming, but charming does not equal sound political thought. Everything he has done and said over the last couple of years leads me to that conclusion. Even his vaporous speeches have a leftist oder to them. My own belief is that the man has never had a non-leftist thought in his entire life. He has learned to dissemble around the straights, but he is left wing through and through.

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