Me either: except that Bill Cosby has what I think is the answer for the black community (that has the stew of low inheritance -culturally and economically- combined with population growth). A realistic cultural that nurtures strong people is required. Africanists, apologists, bleeding hearts, muslims, revolutionaries, hiphoppers, etc. won’t help.

I think Americans want a chance to prove wrong those who say they are so blinded by racism that they will vote against someone based solely on race. ”

That’s what they count on – the whole idea of political correctness is to use people’s pride as a weapon of censorship.Wait till Obama has to go against McCain- we haven’t seen the race weapon used yet. They’ll have to include women as victims of MCcain’s sexism somehow to get the tag off of Obama.

They have no issues other than the same old leftist warmed over stew, hence, they must -repeat must- use personal attacks to degrade their opponents. What better personal attack than to call someone a racist. The only defense is to say the hell with pride and attack them as the true racists and Godless socialists they are. Courage is not a common character trait in out GOP though. McCain won’t get down and dirty with anybody but his conservative base.

All Americans who really want racial healing should vote Democrats out of office until they expunge the anti-white racists that they have been sucking up to for 50 years.

“Guilt by Association”? NO.

OBAMA DESTROYED HIMSELF…with HIS OWN WORDS (”typical white person”, “Original Sin of slavery”, etc. etc.) and HIS OWN ACTIONS (staying 20 years in this church, exposing his children to the anti-American and racist Pastor’s words).

why the bother? no one here would vote for a Democrat. why the justification?

I wasn’t creating a justification for why I wasn’t voting for Obama. As you point out, he is to far to the left to attract my support. Instead, I sought to explain why the association with a racialist demagogue hurts Obama so badly. More generally, I wanted to demonstrate why African-American and other minority candidates have trouble appealing to whites.

People have to trust politicians to a certain minimal degree and repeatedly telling someone you think they are evil is not the way to go about it.

While I don’t like the atmospherics, or a lot of the Leftish “theorizing” amongst this community, most of what they do amounts in the end to aggressively exercised free speech.

The Right could learn a thing of two from them. The one group which is in some sense “on the right”, though actually sui generis which seems to have absorbed some of these lessons is the Pro-Life Movement. The appearance of “counter-demonstrations” in support of our troops may be the beginning of a shift. This part of the “expressive spectrum” has been conceded totally to the Left for too long. Street theatre and protests can work just as well for either side, if the issues are suited to it and if there is a critical mass of pissed off people.

Referring to the party and individuals targeted for direct action as “the enemy” is the usual custom and practice. The point is not to persuade, it is to intimidate and compel acceptance to the organizations goals.

This is a very large and organized community, perhaps the true heart of the modern American Left. It has deep roots in Chicago, where it was invented in its modern form by Saul Alinsky. If our site had an evil Leftist twin, Alinsky would necessarily be in the pantheon at the top of the page. Furthermore, these groups are not always wrong, especially in Chicago, where I know something about their activities. When they are protesting rotten provision of city services to minority neighborhoods, for example, they are often exactly right. And the dramatic methods they use probably are the only way to get any attention and any prospect of change to the situation.

A certain undergraduate named Hillary Rodham wrote her BA thesis about Alinsky. And, of course, Obama is product of this community.

I dont have much exposure to them in the real world. I have more than enough contact with them on-line. They’re getting more and more irrational as time goes on.. in my experience.

Based on your explanation of your personal experience, I can only conclude that you don’t spend a lot of time interacting with Leftist or reading their arguments.

Within Leftist circles, the drumbeat that America is an irrationally racist society who will reject competent non-white people for position in the public and private spheres is constant and omnipresent. Leftist accuse everyone who agrees with them on anything, social programs, crime, defense, the environment etc. of doing so out of racism.

It’s very annoying and insulting. Worse, its corrosive to our civic debate and society. Leftist claim that all problems in the lives of minority individuals ultimately devolve from the racism of white people. This belief insulates them tackling the real problems. We can disprove the accusation that race is a determining factor by voting for a minority candidate and basically poke a stick in the eye of those who accuse us by doing the one thing they argue we won’t do.

However, people won’t sacrifice their core ideological beliefs to accomplish that. Ultimately, politics is to important to select leaders just to make a point. People want a minority candidate who is at least a centrist.

I just dont know anyone that speaks that way. And the only people I do see/hear who do seem to be older.

Of course I dont hang around college people.. For some reason I’m just not impressed with people who are in univeristies.. it seems like they’re actually getting dumber the longer they’re in one.

I couldn’t imagine being in some universities today. I was listening to a mp3 of a lecture someone gave at George Washington University about the need to destroy Islamic Totalarianism.. and I think 75% of the audience was the thugs that Left wing groups and the MSA sent.

I fear for the future nothing is stopping this expanding irrationality.

Now if whe think in terms of who his associates are down there in Hyde Park and the people in power/authority that any effective “community organizer” must deal with, then I’m sure he’s engaged in plenty of corruption.

Yes, Ginny, I have to admit, I to would have liked that more. Now he looks like something of a crypto racist.

He was a community organizer. He would have done better, in the last couple of decades, to have brought about some CHANGE in his community by educating the folks on the south side about the economic realities of successful working class people in this country. Instead, one assumes, he went along with the machine and the racist viewpoint (for political gain or because he had no problem with it?) which is poison to young black (and white) culture in his, or any, town.

Vince, 1950 here.

I realize asking a lady for her age is very impolite. So let me put it this way…

I was in 1974, so I’m probably a generation or two behind the Hippies…

Ginny/Shannon: what generation are you from?

My theory is, that people of my generation or younger grew up in a political correct world (or PC sprang to life during our youths.. as it did in my youth in the mid 80s).. we already accept the non-racist imperative. we dont need to prove anything because we were never “guilty” of doing it.

I suspect you ladies are on the planet a little bit longer and have a different perspective?

I hope I didn’t come off the wrong way :)