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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5763.html/comment-page-1#comment-226243</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 19:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in the 70s/80s this was known as the &quot;Firemen First Syndrome&quot; as cities faced with budget cuts targeted fire and police services in order to extort addition taxes from the citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the 70s/80s this was known as the &#8220;Firemen First Syndrome&#8221; as cities faced with budget cuts targeted fire and police services in order to extort addition taxes from the citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: renminbi</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5763.html/comment-page-1#comment-225538</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 04:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember Samuelson&#039;s Eco text thinking the mixed economy was cool. What really happens is the gov&#039;t contaminates the private sector; medicine is a good example.Another is the subprime mess-think Community Reinvestment Act. Small market failures the private sector can do on its own,but for the big stuff  gov&#039;t. is indispensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember Samuelson&#8217;s Eco text thinking the mixed economy was cool. What really happens is the gov&#8217;t contaminates the private sector; medicine is a good example.Another is the subprime mess-think Community Reinvestment Act. Small market failures the private sector can do on its own,but for the big stuff  gov&#8217;t. is indispensible.</p>
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		<title>By: MD</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5763.html/comment-page-1#comment-225485</link>
		<dc:creator>MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 01:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, my point about the above rant is that the private business sector seems to be adopting government levels of bureaucratization. Scary!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, my point about the above rant is that the private business sector seems to be adopting government levels of bureaucratization. Scary!</p>
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		<title>By: MD</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5763.html/comment-page-1#comment-225480</link>
		<dc:creator>MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 01:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly off topic, but I MUST RANT!

The bureaucratization of academic medicine is interesting. Okay, it&#039;s painful more than interesting, considering I&#039;ve been working in teaching hospitals these past eight years after fellowship. There seems to be money for shiny glass building, marble lobbies and Starbuck-ian cafes, marketing departments, directors of diversity, and managers of this and that, but, oddly enough, not enough money for more staff.

I have recently been told that because of national fire protection agency rules, which we must follow to be accredited, I must sit in a microscope room, 10-12 hours a day, with the door closed. No windows in the room, no window in the door that must be shut, and only one way out is through the door which must remain closed. Meanwhile, the open plan lab next door, which is separated from me by a second fire door, is full of chemicals on benches and on worktops. And the techs sit right next to chemicals without fire retardant gear, don&#039;t they? Look, I&#039;m sure there is some perfectly valid reason for the rule, but for heaven&#039;s sake! I feel like a veal in a cage!

We have the marketing department putting up signs and flatscreens running pro-hospital propaganda that would make a communist regime proud. I would be angry about it all, except that I am resigned, sheep-like, to all of it and am currently sitting and weeping quietly over the layers of administration. Just give in, just give in, just give in, says a voice in my head, but my heart says No! Sigh.

We docs who actually bill and make money are so terrible, aren&#039;t we, with our complaints? Perhaps we could just fire all the docs and nurses and send the patients straight to the marketing department? They can sort it all out.

*I&#039;m not actually weeping, of course :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off topic, but I MUST RANT!</p>
<p>The bureaucratization of academic medicine is interesting. Okay, it&#8217;s painful more than interesting, considering I&#8217;ve been working in teaching hospitals these past eight years after fellowship. There seems to be money for shiny glass building, marble lobbies and Starbuck-ian cafes, marketing departments, directors of diversity, and managers of this and that, but, oddly enough, not enough money for more staff.</p>
<p>I have recently been told that because of national fire protection agency rules, which we must follow to be accredited, I must sit in a microscope room, 10-12 hours a day, with the door closed. No windows in the room, no window in the door that must be shut, and only one way out is through the door which must remain closed. Meanwhile, the open plan lab next door, which is separated from me by a second fire door, is full of chemicals on benches and on worktops. And the techs sit right next to chemicals without fire retardant gear, don&#8217;t they? Look, I&#8217;m sure there is some perfectly valid reason for the rule, but for heaven&#8217;s sake! I feel like a veal in a cage!</p>
<p>We have the marketing department putting up signs and flatscreens running pro-hospital propaganda that would make a communist regime proud. I would be angry about it all, except that I am resigned, sheep-like, to all of it and am currently sitting and weeping quietly over the layers of administration. Just give in, just give in, just give in, says a voice in my head, but my heart says No! Sigh.</p>
<p>We docs who actually bill and make money are so terrible, aren&#8217;t we, with our complaints? Perhaps we could just fire all the docs and nurses and send the patients straight to the marketing department? They can sort it all out.</p>
<p>*I&#8217;m not actually weeping, of course :)</p>
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		<title>By: TMLutas</title>
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		<dc:creator>TMLutas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 05:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack Diedrich - You might as well ask how can we get those stupid farmers to stop overplanting themselves into ruin as you deride that new-fangled commodities futures market. 

The problem is an information problem at heart. Bureaucrats lie to protect their budgets and threaten dire consequences that are not real. Free marketeers generally make exceptions to their love of the private sector for acts of fraud and other lies. 

As an aside, pretty much all major US monuments are built with private labor and dollars and then donated to the government to maintain. It&#039;s a US tradition I support heartily. I remember dropping a few dollars into a box to fund the WW II memorial a few years back. 

Shannon Love - A website covers so much territory but yes, I agree that it would have to be something electronic. I think it would be much more useful to view it as a database with multiple data entry pathways. You could do phone trees for the low tech inclined and social networks for the trendy, plain web forms for those who prefer them and include BI analysis toolsets for the data nerds (and yes, I am a data nerd). 

TF Vol - Optimist

Johnathan - The DoD got away with telling the Clinton administration that it took two weeks to fly helicopters from the FRG to Kosovo and that they needed multiple weeks of training after that before they were deployed for combat missions. Defying presidents isn&#039;t just for the Parks Service. The CIA seems to have gotten a taste for it recently for instance and I don&#039;t think anybody really believes that the politicians are fully in control of State or have been in decades. 

Renminbi - The current opportunities for graft are so huge that a political party could have a multi-decade run in power based on the premise of reducing graft and abuse by hundreds of millions of dollars every year and throughout that run feed lustily on the opportunities for personal enrichment they haven&#039;t quite gotten around to yet. I&#039;m not talking about reformers who promise but don&#039;t deliver but rather reformers who actually deliver more honest government with every Congress and who deserve re-election on that basis. 

It&#039;s the most stable shot at power either party has right now but both seem too stupid to assemble a winning party coalition to run, win power on the principle, and (most importantly) execute their promises faithfully. Gingrich Republicans came close but couldn&#039;t hold on for very long. 

Linc - You&#039;re absolutely correct. 

Fred Lapides - Please don&#039;t take my post as an endorsement of the GOP right or wrong. I&#039;ll vote in November but will likely leave the presidential ballot blank. Rather take it as an analysis that the GOP, when desperate, will often turn towards small government solutions and they won&#039;t be more desperate than after a 2008 blowout during President Obama&#039;s media honeymoon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Diedrich &#8211; You might as well ask how can we get those stupid farmers to stop overplanting themselves into ruin as you deride that new-fangled commodities futures market. </p>
<p>The problem is an information problem at heart. Bureaucrats lie to protect their budgets and threaten dire consequences that are not real. Free marketeers generally make exceptions to their love of the private sector for acts of fraud and other lies. </p>
<p>As an aside, pretty much all major US monuments are built with private labor and dollars and then donated to the government to maintain. It&#8217;s a US tradition I support heartily. I remember dropping a few dollars into a box to fund the WW II memorial a few years back. </p>
<p>Shannon Love &#8211; A website covers so much territory but yes, I agree that it would have to be something electronic. I think it would be much more useful to view it as a database with multiple data entry pathways. You could do phone trees for the low tech inclined and social networks for the trendy, plain web forms for those who prefer them and include BI analysis toolsets for the data nerds (and yes, I am a data nerd). </p>
<p>TF Vol &#8211; Optimist</p>
<p>Johnathan &#8211; The DoD got away with telling the Clinton administration that it took two weeks to fly helicopters from the FRG to Kosovo and that they needed multiple weeks of training after that before they were deployed for combat missions. Defying presidents isn&#8217;t just for the Parks Service. The CIA seems to have gotten a taste for it recently for instance and I don&#8217;t think anybody really believes that the politicians are fully in control of State or have been in decades. </p>
<p>Renminbi &#8211; The current opportunities for graft are so huge that a political party could have a multi-decade run in power based on the premise of reducing graft and abuse by hundreds of millions of dollars every year and throughout that run feed lustily on the opportunities for personal enrichment they haven&#8217;t quite gotten around to yet. I&#8217;m not talking about reformers who promise but don&#8217;t deliver but rather reformers who actually deliver more honest government with every Congress and who deserve re-election on that basis. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the most stable shot at power either party has right now but both seem too stupid to assemble a winning party coalition to run, win power on the principle, and (most importantly) execute their promises faithfully. Gingrich Republicans came close but couldn&#8217;t hold on for very long. </p>
<p>Linc &#8211; You&#8217;re absolutely correct. </p>
<p>Fred Lapides &#8211; Please don&#8217;t take my post as an endorsement of the GOP right or wrong. I&#8217;ll vote in November but will likely leave the presidential ballot blank. Rather take it as an analysis that the GOP, when desperate, will often turn towards small government solutions and they won&#8217;t be more desperate than after a 2008 blowout during President Obama&#8217;s media honeymoon.</p>
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		<title>By: fred lapides</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seeing or not seeing such monuments is no big deal for me, though I have been to most of them, but the comment that the Democrats like big govt is not valid when we note that under the present GOP leadership (for the pst 7 years) our govt is bigger than it has ever been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seeing or not seeing such monuments is no big deal for me, though I have been to most of them, but the comment that the Democrats like big govt is not valid when we note that under the present GOP leadership (for the pst 7 years) our govt is bigger than it has ever been.</p>
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		<title>By: Linc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 18:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an equally insidious version of the Washington Monument tactic at the state and local level. That is to put Washington Monument types of measures on the ballot for new taxes; for example, locally we just saw a funding measure for 911-type emergency-respone-handling equipment.  How can the voters be against such a crucial program?

Of course, what happens is that the other uses of tax revenues do not get scrutiny, and the pressure lessens to drop or trim existing programs in order to pay for worthy new ones or improvements in more valuable programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an equally insidious version of the Washington Monument tactic at the state and local level. That is to put Washington Monument types of measures on the ballot for new taxes; for example, locally we just saw a funding measure for 911-type emergency-respone-handling equipment.  How can the voters be against such a crucial program?</p>
<p>Of course, what happens is that the other uses of tax revenues do not get scrutiny, and the pressure lessens to drop or trim existing programs in order to pay for worthy new ones or improvements in more valuable programs.</p>
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		<title>By: renminbi</title>
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		<dc:creator>renminbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politicians have little incentive to stop rent seeking-they get paid off by the beneficiaries. There should be people paid to cut gov&#039;t spending or authority. Allow people to sue gov&#039;t agencies on behalf of the public and allow a jury of adults(defined as people who pay taxes and are not on the public teat)by a majority to end  a gov&#039;t program or agency and impound and return its appropriation to the treasury.Of course if someone gets 1,000,000,000 back to the treasury, I see no reason they can&#039;t be cut a sizable seven figure ( or more) check; they would genuinely deserve it. Imagine shutting down the Civil Rights Commission,NEH, FEC etc. You name it.We got along very well pre Teddy Roosevelt, before everything became a Federal Case.

            The devil is in the details of course,but the point is that electoral politics is failing to protect us from &quot;our&quot; gov&#039;t. There are better ways allow the exercise of civic responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politicians have little incentive to stop rent seeking-they get paid off by the beneficiaries. There should be people paid to cut gov&#8217;t spending or authority. Allow people to sue gov&#8217;t agencies on behalf of the public and allow a jury of adults(defined as people who pay taxes and are not on the public teat)by a majority to end  a gov&#8217;t program or agency and impound and return its appropriation to the treasury.Of course if someone gets 1,000,000,000 back to the treasury, I see no reason they can&#8217;t be cut a sizable seven figure ( or more) check; they would genuinely deserve it. Imagine shutting down the Civil Rights Commission,NEH, FEC etc. You name it.We got along very well pre Teddy Roosevelt, before everything became a Federal Case.</p>
<p>            The devil is in the details of course,but the point is that electoral politics is failing to protect us from &#8220;our&#8221; gov&#8217;t. There are better ways allow the exercise of civic responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jack Diederich. The NPS got away with closing the Washington Monument because doing so benefited the Clinton Administration. If it were otherwise and NPS administrators were foolish enough to shut down a major national tourist site, a phone call from Clinton or his Interior Secretary would have reversed the closure and probably caused career problems for the NPS people. And even if the Administration had no direct leverage against the Parks bureaucrats, which I doubt, it would have been a simple matter for Administration officials to spread stories in the press blaming the bureaucrats for the unfortunate closed-parks situation which the Administration, representing the American people, was tirelessly working to rectify. The bureaucrats would have gotten the message quickly.

I doubt that any Democratic administration would willingly give up such a useful political tool.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jack Diederich. The NPS got away with closing the Washington Monument because doing so benefited the Clinton Administration. If it were otherwise and NPS administrators were foolish enough to shut down a major national tourist site, a phone call from Clinton or his Interior Secretary would have reversed the closure and probably caused career problems for the NPS people. And even if the Administration had no direct leverage against the Parks bureaucrats, which I doubt, it would have been a simple matter for Administration officials to spread stories in the press blaming the bureaucrats for the unfortunate closed-parks situation which the Administration, representing the American people, was tirelessly working to rectify. The bureaucrats would have gotten the message quickly.</p>
<p>I doubt that any Democratic administration would willingly give up such a useful political tool.</p>
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		<title>By: TF Vol</title>
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		<dc:creator>TF Vol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Probably the best time to do it is in the honeymoon phase of our next Democrat president, when the media’s in the tank and blowing kisses at the new administration.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wouldn&#039;t count on a Democrat president anytime in the near future.</description>
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Probably the best time to do it is in the honeymoon phase of our next Democrat president, when the media’s in the tank and blowing kisses at the new administration.
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<p>I wouldn&#8217;t count on a Democrat president anytime in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We need to change the sequence of events so that the consensus of what’s most valuable is arrived at first.&lt;/i&gt;

A website might be the best way to do this. Set up a site to break down spending and let people and their representatives record their preferences long before any cuts need to be made. I would suggest a system in which every person (probably every elected official) has, say, a hundred points that they distribute across the various spending priorities in order to indicate the relative value they attach to each choice. 

You could start the program out as an exercise in journalism. Just give politicians the chance to register their priorities. Do it long enough and it would become standard practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We need to change the sequence of events so that the consensus of what’s most valuable is arrived at first.</i></p>
<p>A website might be the best way to do this. Set up a site to break down spending and let people and their representatives record their preferences long before any cuts need to be made. I would suggest a system in which every person (probably every elected official) has, say, a hundred points that they distribute across the various spending priorities in order to indicate the relative value they attach to each choice. </p>
<p>You could start the program out as an exercise in journalism. Just give politicians the chance to register their priorities. Do it long enough and it would become standard practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Diederich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Diederich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The solution to this syndrome is simple, ban it. Remove civil service protection from government workers who engage in the practice. Follow through by getting these blackmailers out of government service when they try their tricks anyway.&lt;/i&gt;

I am reading the Chicagoboyz, right?  How can you get the government or public who tolerate the current behavior to ban something they don&#039;t mind?

An aside, the Washington monument was built with private dollars and labor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The solution to this syndrome is simple, ban it. Remove civil service protection from government workers who engage in the practice. Follow through by getting these blackmailers out of government service when they try their tricks anyway.</i></p>
<p>I am reading the Chicagoboyz, right?  How can you get the government or public who tolerate the current behavior to ban something they don&#8217;t mind?</p>
<p>An aside, the Washington monument was built with private dollars and labor.</p>
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