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	<title>Comments on: The Human &amp; The Ideological</title>
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		<title>By: veryretired</title>
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		<dc:creator>veryretired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The movie is not just about the stasi operative. He is the window, the means used for the real object of the movie, at least as far as I&#039;m concerned. The focus of the movie is the corrosive effects of cooperation with tyranny on the creative spirit, as seen in the slow spiral of destruction travelled by the playwrite and his actress girlfriend.

I also thought this movie was very good, but I thought &quot;The Lost City&quot; was better in many ways, not least because of the music. That movie also emphasizes the inevitable repressive actions of an implacable ideology when confronted with artistic creativity and an independent spirit.

For a century, we have been subjected to the continuous yammering of collectivists of every conceivable stripe claiming that the commercialism and profit motive of capitalism destroys and corrupts the true artistic soul. At the same time, the &quot;spiritual superiority&quot; of the mass state and collectivist ideology has been asserted in every artistic sphere.

In truth, as these movies attempt to show, the reality is just the opposite---it is the deadening, lifeless weight of the collective that crushes and warps anyone attempting to create or perform artistically with any integrity.

&quot;The Lives of Others&quot; is a tragedy in the classic sense, as the flaws of the writer and his lady destroy their art, their love, and their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The movie is not just about the stasi operative. He is the window, the means used for the real object of the movie, at least as far as I&#8217;m concerned. The focus of the movie is the corrosive effects of cooperation with tyranny on the creative spirit, as seen in the slow spiral of destruction travelled by the playwrite and his actress girlfriend.</p>
<p>I also thought this movie was very good, but I thought &#8220;The Lost City&#8221; was better in many ways, not least because of the music. That movie also emphasizes the inevitable repressive actions of an implacable ideology when confronted with artistic creativity and an independent spirit.</p>
<p>For a century, we have been subjected to the continuous yammering of collectivists of every conceivable stripe claiming that the commercialism and profit motive of capitalism destroys and corrupts the true artistic soul. At the same time, the &#8220;spiritual superiority&#8221; of the mass state and collectivist ideology has been asserted in every artistic sphere.</p>
<p>In truth, as these movies attempt to show, the reality is just the opposite&#8212;it is the deadening, lifeless weight of the collective that crushes and warps anyone attempting to create or perform artistically with any integrity.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Lives of Others&#8221; is a tragedy in the classic sense, as the flaws of the writer and his lady destroy their art, their love, and their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Foster, I should have done a search.  I wondered why I put it on the Netflix list - should have known it was a recommendation from here.  So, in addition to repetition, I&#039;m guilty of ingratitude.  Thanks, David.

Tatayana, I can understand that the experience of the movie would be different for you.  And I suspect you could take no pleasure from it.

Still, it argues that it is the human that opposes the ideological - and in that way the argument is not unlike Orwell&#039;s.  Some systems have at their core an acknowledgement of the human and others can only succeed by treating such tendencies like bonsai trees - to be stunted and twisted.  Or, indeed, that is a bad metaphor, for to succeed such a regime needs to destroy both a fellow feeling and its individual expression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Foster, I should have done a search.  I wondered why I put it on the Netflix list &#8211; should have known it was a recommendation from here.  So, in addition to repetition, I&#8217;m guilty of ingratitude.  Thanks, David.</p>
<p>Tatayana, I can understand that the experience of the movie would be different for you.  And I suspect you could take no pleasure from it.</p>
<p>Still, it argues that it is the human that opposes the ideological &#8211; and in that way the argument is not unlike Orwell&#8217;s.  Some systems have at their core an acknowledgement of the human and others can only succeed by treating such tendencies like bonsai trees &#8211; to be stunted and twisted.  Or, indeed, that is a bad metaphor, for to succeed such a regime needs to destroy both a fellow feeling and its individual expression.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I referenced this movie in a &lt;a href=&quot;http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5683.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chicago Boyz post&lt;/a&gt; back in April.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I referenced this movie in a <a href="http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5683.html" rel="nofollow">Chicago Boyz post</a> back in April.</p>
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		<title>By: Smitten Eagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smitten Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tatyana-

I would agree with you except the KGB agent is a mere functionary, not really elite in any way.  He was a tool, not a master.

It&#039;s a fine film!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tatyana-</p>
<p>I would agree with you except the KGB agent is a mere functionary, not really elite in any way.  He was a tool, not a master.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a fine film!</p>
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		<title>By: Tatyana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatyana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me submit &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brianmicklethwait.com/index.php/weblog/were_any_of_them_really_that_nice/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this review&lt;/a&gt;, instead of my own: I don&#039;t intend to see the film. I&#039;ve heard enough about humanistic, re-born again agents of KGB to see that claim for what it is. A also seen another line of their defense - that they are the intellectual elite of the people trying to reform the organization from within, and another one - that every country has secret intelligence, why Russia (or Germany, or Romania, etc) should be an exception?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me submit <a href="http://www.brianmicklethwait.com/index.php/weblog/were_any_of_them_really_that_nice/" rel="nofollow">this review</a>, instead of my own: I don&#8217;t intend to see the film. I&#8217;ve heard enough about humanistic, re-born again agents of KGB to see that claim for what it is. A also seen another line of their defense &#8211; that they are the intellectual elite of the people trying to reform the organization from within, and another one &#8211; that every country has secret intelligence, why Russia (or Germany, or Romania, etc) should be an exception?</p>
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