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	<description>Some Chicago Boyz know each other from student days at the University of Chicago. Others are Chicago boys in spirit. The blog name is also intended as a good-humored gesture of admiration for distinguished Chicago boys including those pictured above.</description>
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		<title>By: J. Remarque</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6155.html/comment-page-1#comment-266557</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Remarque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the scoop on Palin&#039;s supposed &quot;book banning.&quot;  There&#039;s nothing to indicate that she ever tried to ban a single book, and the rumor is based on a hypothetical question she posed to a librarian. Book-banning watchdog groups have turned up nothing.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5986480.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5986480.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the scoop on Palin&#8217;s supposed &#8220;book banning.&#8221;  There&#8217;s nothing to indicate that she ever tried to ban a single book, and the rumor is based on a hypothetical question she posed to a librarian. Book-banning watchdog groups have turned up nothing.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5986480.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5986480.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: zenpundit</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6155.html/comment-page-1#comment-266282</link>
		<dc:creator>zenpundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&quot;I’ve never seen a “community organizer” who rolled up their sleeves and tried to get area residents to improve their lot by the residents’ own resources. Why is that?&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

No opportunity for self-aggrandizement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;I’ve never seen a “community organizer” who rolled up their sleeves and tried to get area residents to improve their lot by the residents’ own resources. Why is that?&#8221;</b></p>
<p>No opportunity for self-aggrandizement.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Fraering</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6155.html/comment-page-1#comment-266231</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Fraering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies.&lt;/em&gt;

And if Chicago weren&#039;t run by asshole fascist rethuglican nazis like Richard Dailey and his family, the masses there wouldn&#039;t NEED a savior like Obama to lift them up into the light.

I think I understand now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies.</em></p>
<p>And if Chicago weren&#8217;t run by asshole fascist rethuglican nazis like Richard Dailey and his family, the masses there wouldn&#8217;t NEED a savior like Obama to lift them up into the light.</p>
<p>I think I understand now.</p>
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		<title>By: James R. Rummel</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6155.html/comment-page-1#comment-266188</link>
		<dc:creator>James R. Rummel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have observed that a &quot;community organizer&quot; is a person who gathers the voters of an area in order to try and force the government to allocate more money.

In other words, they are blackmailers using the threat of withholding votes to get tax dollars.  Some of which are &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; tax dollars!

I&#039;ve never seen a &quot;community organizer&quot; who rolled up their sleeves and tried to get area residents to improve their lot by the residents&#039; &lt;i&gt;own&lt;/i&gt; resources.  Why is that?

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have observed that a &#8220;community organizer&#8221; is a person who gathers the voters of an area in order to try and force the government to allocate more money.</p>
<p>In other words, they are blackmailers using the threat of withholding votes to get tax dollars.  Some of which are <i>my</i> tax dollars!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never seen a &#8220;community organizer&#8221; who rolled up their sleeves and tried to get area residents to improve their lot by the residents&#8217; <i>own</i> resources.  Why is that?</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other people have said this but I still find it odd that it is acceptable to &quot;diss&quot; the mayor of a small town and, by implication, small town America but there is a howl of outrage with threats of all sorts of punishment if you &quot;diss&quot; community organizers. According to one comment I read on some leftie blog (yes, I know, sad but I shan&#039;t do it again), community organizers are people who put the interests of community above their own. I was under the impression that they got paid for their job and that they actually went in there to ensure the community did what they thought was right. It&#039;s a bit like the howl of outrage there seems to have been over here in response to an apparently quite amusing play that &quot;disses&quot;, among others, the feminist establishment. Oh yes, the same blog implicitly compared Obama with Gandhi. There are too many curious implications there to list here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other people have said this but I still find it odd that it is acceptable to &#8220;diss&#8221; the mayor of a small town and, by implication, small town America but there is a howl of outrage with threats of all sorts of punishment if you &#8220;diss&#8221; community organizers. According to one comment I read on some leftie blog (yes, I know, sad but I shan&#8217;t do it again), community organizers are people who put the interests of community above their own. I was under the impression that they got paid for their job and that they actually went in there to ensure the community did what they thought was right. It&#8217;s a bit like the howl of outrage there seems to have been over here in response to an apparently quite amusing play that &#8220;disses&#8221;, among others, the feminist establishment. Oh yes, the same blog implicitly compared Obama with Gandhi. There are too many curious implications there to list here.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hiteshew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hiteshew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant essay Ginny. Ever think of writing for the City Journal? You should submit this piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant essay Ginny. Ever think of writing for the City Journal? You should submit this piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virgil, Wasn&#039;t it millions that matched the millions from Annenberg?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virgil, Wasn&#8217;t it millions that matched the millions from Annenberg?</p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
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		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s one thing to be a community organizer responsible by his own leadership for the improvement of the lives and conditions of multitudes. It&#039;s quite another to be a community organizer whose efforts squandered countless tens of thousands of the public&#039;s dollars without any discernible improvement in the conditions of the &quot;organized.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s one thing to be a community organizer responsible by his own leadership for the improvement of the lives and conditions of multitudes. It&#8217;s quite another to be a community organizer whose efforts squandered countless tens of thousands of the public&#8217;s dollars without any discernible improvement in the conditions of the &#8220;organized.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: fiona</title>
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		<dc:creator>fiona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies.&quot;  Fred


Didn&#039;t Mr. Obama&#039;s community organizer activities take place during the Clinton Administration?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies.&#8221;  Fred</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t Mr. Obama&#8217;s community organizer activities take place during the Clinton Administration?</p>
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		<title>By: peterike</title>
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		<dc:creator>peterike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginny, this is a wonderful piece. You are very insightful.

For those benighted among you who choose to rhapsodize over Mr. O&#039;s &quot;community organizer&quot; schtick, this little article will let you know just what such an organizer does. 

A virus, is more like it. 

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/obamas_alinsky_jujitsu.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginny, this is a wonderful piece. You are very insightful.</p>
<p>For those benighted among you who choose to rhapsodize over Mr. O&#8217;s &#8220;community organizer&#8221; schtick, this little article will let you know just what such an organizer does. </p>
<p>A virus, is more like it. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/obamas_alinsky_jujitsu.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/obamas_alinsky_jujitsu.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6155.html/comment-page-1#comment-266042</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah Palin appears to be (even by the charge of her sharpest critics) a force of nature.  Such forces ruffle feathers.  And, being human, her life is clearly not without mistakes.  Frankly, that&#039;s what happens when you act, when you choose life - when you value commitment to others and to a job.  She was likely to engender some of the more unatttactive traits of envy in those around her and she was also likely to step on toes.  She was probably guilty of overreach or misplaced loyalty or even acts  insufficiently thought out.  We all do a little misfiling - especially if we file so much more than any others do.

So what&#039;s new?  We&#039;re human.  Some of these might be of a kind that you can not forgive (though I suspect you are seeking such an argument); you might explain that with specifics and logic.  


Fred, you can keep linking to some of the same complaints and you can keep thinking they prove something.  But by linking to the same old arguments on different posts here, by choosing not in any way to make an argument that such links apply to the arguments of the posts, you are insulting those of us who spend our time here because we believe that we will be engaged in some real discussion and those of us who have attempted (perhaps not always brilliantly but nonetheless have made an effort) to develop an argument. 

This isn&#039;t your blog - and comments are not posts.  Your failure to distinguish between them indicates a weak understanding of argument, rhetorical situations, good manners, and how much patience the posters are willing to extend to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Palin appears to be (even by the charge of her sharpest critics) a force of nature.  Such forces ruffle feathers.  And, being human, her life is clearly not without mistakes.  Frankly, that&#8217;s what happens when you act, when you choose life &#8211; when you value commitment to others and to a job.  She was likely to engender some of the more unatttactive traits of envy in those around her and she was also likely to step on toes.  She was probably guilty of overreach or misplaced loyalty or even acts  insufficiently thought out.  We all do a little misfiling &#8211; especially if we file so much more than any others do.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s new?  We&#8217;re human.  Some of these might be of a kind that you can not forgive (though I suspect you are seeking such an argument); you might explain that with specifics and logic.  </p>
<p>Fred, you can keep linking to some of the same complaints and you can keep thinking they prove something.  But by linking to the same old arguments on different posts here, by choosing not in any way to make an argument that such links apply to the arguments of the posts, you are insulting those of us who spend our time here because we believe that we will be engaged in some real discussion and those of us who have attempted (perhaps not always brilliantly but nonetheless have made an effort) to develop an argument. </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t your blog &#8211; and comments are not posts.  Your failure to distinguish between them indicates a weak understanding of argument, rhetorical situations, good manners, and how much patience the posters are willing to extend to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred Lapidies,

&lt;i&gt;I realize that more than one comment per week is about all you good folks care to get from me ...&lt;/i&gt;

I personally do not care as long as you extend the common curtsy to stay on topic. Instead, you seem to regard 90% of the post as mere launching points for whatever topic you decided to think about when you rolled out bed that morning. 

So, a &quot;community organizer&quot; differs from an ordinary citizen, how exactly? 

So, did Palin &quot;censor books&quot; or merely voice an opinion about which books the library should carry? Did she &quot;carry out a Stalinist purge&quot; (and isn&#039;t great to finally see Leftist turning on Stalin?) or did she carrry out her campaign promise to reform city government by clearing out the deadwood and the corrupt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred Lapidies,</p>
<p><i>I realize that more than one comment per week is about all you good folks care to get from me &#8230;</i></p>
<p>I personally do not care as long as you extend the common curtsy to stay on topic. Instead, you seem to regard 90% of the post as mere launching points for whatever topic you decided to think about when you rolled out bed that morning. </p>
<p>So, a &#8220;community organizer&#8221; differs from an ordinary citizen, how exactly? </p>
<p>So, did Palin &#8220;censor books&#8221; or merely voice an opinion about which books the library should carry? Did she &#8220;carry out a Stalinist purge&#8221; (and isn&#8217;t great to finally see Leftist turning on Stalin?) or did she carrry out her campaign promise to reform city government by clearing out the deadwood and the corrupt?</p>
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		<title>By: Jaime Roberto</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6155.html/comment-page-1#comment-265988</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaime Roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for republishing Obama&#039;s email soliciting campaign donations.  Good to know your friend knows how to forward email.  The question remains, however, what did Obama actually accomplish as community organizer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for republishing Obama&#8217;s email soliciting campaign donations.  Good to know your friend knows how to forward email.  The question remains, however, what did Obama actually accomplish as community organizer?</p>
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		<title>By: fred lapides</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred lapides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that more than one comment per week is about all you good folks care to get from me but since I have a good friend who is a community lawyer for Ralph Nader, I thought this little piece might give you a bit more useful background on community workers:

Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies.

And it&#039;s no surprise that, after eight years of George Bush, millions of people have found that by coming together in their local communities they can change the course of history. That promise is what our campaign has been about from the beginning.

&quot;Throughout our history, ordinary people have made good on America&#039;s promise by organizing for change from the bottom up. Community organizing is the foundation of the civil rights movement, the women&#039;s suffrage movement, labor rights, and the 40-hour workweek. And it&#039;s happening today in church basements and community centers and living rooms across America.

Meanwhile, we still haven&#039;t gotten a single idea during the entire Republican convention about the economy and how to lift a middle class so harmed by the Bush-McCain policies.&quot;

sure: let the free market take care of it all--s: market took sharp drop after the enlightening speeches last evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that more than one comment per week is about all you good folks care to get from me but since I have a good friend who is a community lawyer for Ralph Nader, I thought this little piece might give you a bit more useful background on community workers:</p>
<p>Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s no surprise that, after eight years of George Bush, millions of people have found that by coming together in their local communities they can change the course of history. That promise is what our campaign has been about from the beginning.</p>
<p>&#8220;Throughout our history, ordinary people have made good on America&#8217;s promise by organizing for change from the bottom up. Community organizing is the foundation of the civil rights movement, the women&#8217;s suffrage movement, labor rights, and the 40-hour workweek. And it&#8217;s happening today in church basements and community centers and living rooms across America.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, we still haven&#8217;t gotten a single idea during the entire Republican convention about the economy and how to lift a middle class so harmed by the Bush-McCain policies.&#8221;</p>
<p>sure: let the free market take care of it all&#8211;s: market took sharp drop after the enlightening speeches last evening.</p>
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		<title>By: fred lapides</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred lapides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had served for a few years as a commissioner of our library in a rather small town. Our selectman, a Republican, never demanded that we censor books. But I imagine Palin is special in these matters and tried to do just that!

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/print_friendly.php?p=9003

the librarian, aghast, refused and had her job threatened. Obama did not do such things but perhaps he did not realize the political clout he had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had served for a few years as a commissioner of our library in a rather small town. Our selectman, a Republican, never demanded that we censor books. But I imagine Palin is special in these matters and tried to do just that!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/print_friendly.php?p=9003" rel="nofollow">http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/print_friendly.php?p=9003</a></p>
<p>the librarian, aghast, refused and had her job threatened. Obama did not do such things but perhaps he did not realize the political clout he had.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaime Roberto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaime Roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After the speech last night I was thinking about the resumes Obama and Palin would submit to an employer.  Obama&#039;s would revolve around positions he&#039;s held, schools he&#039;s attended, e.g. Harvard Law, 6 years as state senator, 3 years as US Senator.  Palin&#039;s more likely would revolve around accomplishments, e.g. cut taxes by x%, sold governor&#039;s jet, negotiated pipeline deal.  In all the resume writing classes I&#039;ve had, I was told to emphasize the accomplishments.  On the basis of their resumes, Palin wins hands down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the speech last night I was thinking about the resumes Obama and Palin would submit to an employer.  Obama&#8217;s would revolve around positions he&#8217;s held, schools he&#8217;s attended, e.g. Harvard Law, 6 years as state senator, 3 years as US Senator.  Palin&#8217;s more likely would revolve around accomplishments, e.g. cut taxes by x%, sold governor&#8217;s jet, negotiated pipeline deal.  In all the resume writing classes I&#8217;ve had, I was told to emphasize the accomplishments.  On the basis of their resumes, Palin wins hands down.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; But he’s from that world - where most people are wrong most of the time - but they aren’t reallly wrong because they did nothing  and nothing happened because of them.  &lt;/i&gt;

Obama&#039;s from a world in which no one pays a penalty for being wrong. Indeed it can be nearly impossible even know when one is wrong. 

I think he will face a cut and dried decisions as president and freeze.</description>
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<p>Obama&#8217;s from a world in which no one pays a penalty for being wrong. Indeed it can be nearly impossible even know when one is wrong. </p>
<p>I think he will face a cut and dried decisions as president and freeze.</p>
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