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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6244.html/comment-page-1#comment-269849</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginny: I think Palin is fantastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginny: I think Palin is fantastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6244.html/comment-page-1#comment-269847</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This returned to something I&#039;m always blogging about and in a pretty circular and unhelpful way.  

Vince P&#039;s response depressed me, but I&#039;ve slowly come to understand some of the feelings that prompted me to post on it yet again.  Of course, the impetus was my daughter&#039;s passion - she is young and at the beginning of her life, she isn&#039;t sentimental or optimistic, but she does value the force that is beginning to affect her.  I hadn&#039;t added that she was also distressed over the amount of time the book spent bashing Bush (as if Kyoto worked, as if under Clinton it became law, as if . . . ).  Of course, there was a political connection even in this.

However, the Randy Newman song, the Bill Ayers&#039; delight in the end of an empire, the sense of both that we are adrift - well, that&#039;s what I used to feel and for a lot of reasons, I began to feel alive again in the last decade.  And so I understand the disdainful ennui of faculty dinner parties, the frenetic but meaningless arguments of educationists (some trained, many influenced by Ayers).  

The passion, the energy, and most of all, perhaps, the life force that is Palin shook things - yes, now, we realized what was missing.  It was children - not perfect but loved - in the governor&#039;s office; it was joy.  When some of her detractors complain she is a red-neck, we begin to realize that what they are complaining about is a zest for life.  Just put up Ayers/Obama/Michelle on one side and think of a land grant school, a champion snow mobile racer, and the mother of 5 - well, sure it&#039;s a contrast.  But not all of us feel that the former beats the latter. 

Winthrop&#039;s old question returns - both of how we live our days and how we vote.  And we can choose life - or not.  We cam choose the anarchic path that loves little more than blowing up things or we can choose build, for ourselves and our children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This returned to something I&#8217;m always blogging about and in a pretty circular and unhelpful way.  </p>
<p>Vince P&#8217;s response depressed me, but I&#8217;ve slowly come to understand some of the feelings that prompted me to post on it yet again.  Of course, the impetus was my daughter&#8217;s passion &#8211; she is young and at the beginning of her life, she isn&#8217;t sentimental or optimistic, but she does value the force that is beginning to affect her.  I hadn&#8217;t added that she was also distressed over the amount of time the book spent bashing Bush (as if Kyoto worked, as if under Clinton it became law, as if . . . ).  Of course, there was a political connection even in this.</p>
<p>However, the Randy Newman song, the Bill Ayers&#8217; delight in the end of an empire, the sense of both that we are adrift &#8211; well, that&#8217;s what I used to feel and for a lot of reasons, I began to feel alive again in the last decade.  And so I understand the disdainful ennui of faculty dinner parties, the frenetic but meaningless arguments of educationists (some trained, many influenced by Ayers).  </p>
<p>The passion, the energy, and most of all, perhaps, the life force that is Palin shook things &#8211; yes, now, we realized what was missing.  It was children &#8211; not perfect but loved &#8211; in the governor&#8217;s office; it was joy.  When some of her detractors complain she is a red-neck, we begin to realize that what they are complaining about is a zest for life.  Just put up Ayers/Obama/Michelle on one side and think of a land grant school, a champion snow mobile racer, and the mother of 5 &#8211; well, sure it&#8217;s a contrast.  But not all of us feel that the former beats the latter. </p>
<p>Winthrop&#8217;s old question returns &#8211; both of how we live our days and how we vote.  And we can choose life &#8211; or not.  We cam choose the anarchic path that loves little more than blowing up things or we can choose build, for ourselves and our children.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6244.html/comment-page-1#comment-269641</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The end of an empire is messy at best
And this empire is ending
Like all the rest
Like the Spanish Armada adrift on the sea
We’re adrift in the land of the brave
And the home of the free
Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye”

- William Ayers (The Timothy McVeigh of the 70s) Poem of the Month *
  * Mentor of Barack Hussein Obama</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The end of an empire is messy at best<br />
And this empire is ending<br />
Like all the rest<br />
Like the Spanish Armada adrift on the sea<br />
We’re adrift in the land of the brave<br />
And the home of the free<br />
Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye”</p>
<p>- William Ayers (The Timothy McVeigh of the 70s) Poem of the Month *<br />
  * Mentor of Barack Hussein Obama</p>
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		<title>By: OBloodyhell</title>
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		<dc:creator>OBloodyhell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baroness Warnock: 
Dementia sufferers may have a &#039;duty to die&#039;

OBloodhell: 
&quot;Really, really old people -- especially useless aristocrats such as &#039;Barons&#039; and their ilk -- may have a &#039;duty to die&#039; because of the strain they put on their families and public services.&quot;

I mean, really -- what is some useless 80yo bitch from hell going to do with the exact same respources that a young 20yo can&#039;t do more with??? 

Anyone have a problem with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baroness Warnock:<br />
Dementia sufferers may have a &#8216;duty to die&#8217;</p>
<p>OBloodhell:<br />
&#8220;Really, really old people &#8212; especially useless aristocrats such as &#8216;Barons&#8217; and their ilk &#8212; may have a &#8216;duty to die&#8217; because of the strain they put on their families and public services.&#8221;</p>
<p>I mean, really &#8212; what is some useless 80yo bitch from hell going to do with the exact same respources that a young 20yo can&#8217;t do more with??? </p>
<p>Anyone have a problem with that?</p>
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		<title>By: OBloodyhell</title>
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		<dc:creator>OBloodyhell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man.  Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded--here and there, now and then--are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or, as sometimes happens, is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.  This is known as &#039;bad luck&#039;.&quot;
 - Lazarus Long(R. A. Heinlein) -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man.  Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded&#8211;here and there, now and then&#8211;are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or, as sometimes happens, is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.  This is known as &#8216;bad luck&#8217;.&#8221;<br />
 &#8211; Lazarus Long(R. A. Heinlein) -</p>
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		<title>By: OBloodyhell</title>
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		<dc:creator>OBloodyhell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A physicist is an atoms way of knowing about atoms.&quot;
 - George Wald -

&quot;A zygote is a gamete&#039;s way of producing more gametes.&quot;
 - Lazarus Long(Robert A. Heinlein) -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A physicist is an atoms way of knowing about atoms.&#8221;<br />
 &#8211; George Wald -</p>
<p>&#8220;A zygote is a gamete&#8217;s way of producing more gametes.&#8221;<br />
 &#8211; Lazarus Long(Robert A. Heinlein) -</p>
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		<title>By: OBloodyhell</title>
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		<dc:creator>OBloodyhell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; If you’re demented, you’re wasting people’s lives – your family’s lives 

I think you can actually make a rational case for this... but: IT&#039;s THEIR LIVES TO WASTE, even if so.

And, as far as wasting the resources of the UK National Healthcare, if they weren&#039;t using such a socialist model, 
a) They&#039;d have a lot more resources in the first place
b) It would not be centralized monies involved, it would be those of the family.

So she doesn&#039;t get to whine about blatantly obvious flaws in a system she almost certainly supports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; If you’re demented, you’re wasting people’s lives – your family’s lives </p>
<p>I think you can actually make a rational case for this&#8230; but: IT&#8217;s THEIR LIVES TO WASTE, even if so.</p>
<p>And, as far as wasting the resources of the UK National Healthcare, if they weren&#8217;t using such a socialist model,<br />
a) They&#8217;d have a lot more resources in the first place<br />
b) It would not be centralized monies involved, it would be those of the family.</p>
<p>So she doesn&#8217;t get to whine about blatantly obvious flaws in a system she almost certainly supports.</p>
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		<title>By: OBloodyhell</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6244.html/comment-page-1#comment-269633</link>
		<dc:creator>OBloodyhell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;  life wasn’t a bad result.

CLEARLY she needs re-education in a more strict indoctrination camp. 

As **EVERY** good green citizen *knows*, -human- life is a vile, disgusting, reprehensible thing and should be eradicated at every opportunity.

GET WITH THE PROGRAM, YA LITTLE MONSTER!!!

;oP

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;  life wasn’t a bad result.</p>
<p>CLEARLY she needs re-education in a more strict indoctrination camp. </p>
<p>As **EVERY** good green citizen *knows*, -human- life is a vile, disgusting, reprehensible thing and should be eradicated at every opportunity.</p>
<p>GET WITH THE PROGRAM, YA LITTLE MONSTER!!!</p>
<p>;oP</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: boqueronman</title>
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		<dc:creator>boqueronman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Warnock observation has been a popular talking point in the blogosphere.  It&#039;s interesting that the idea of facilitating life ending decisions is gaining this kind of traction just now.  Speaking as a charter member of the leading edge of the Baby Boomers, we presumably know that a shrinking pool of productive workers must come up with a solution for dealing with our old age soon.  The existing entitlement system is facing a tsunami of financial obligations over the next 50 or so years.  The &quot;solutions&quot; do not look attractive: taxes, debt or disengagement.  Maybe Warnock is actually taking the first stab at promoting a part of the disengagement solution, i.e. cull the herd.  Of course, the actual Baby Boomers may not find this solution very much to their liking.  But maybe this can morph into a useful dialogue on just how Western Civilization &quot;expels&quot; the Baby Boomer cohort with a minimum of pain and suffering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Warnock observation has been a popular talking point in the blogosphere.  It&#8217;s interesting that the idea of facilitating life ending decisions is gaining this kind of traction just now.  Speaking as a charter member of the leading edge of the Baby Boomers, we presumably know that a shrinking pool of productive workers must come up with a solution for dealing with our old age soon.  The existing entitlement system is facing a tsunami of financial obligations over the next 50 or so years.  The &#8220;solutions&#8221; do not look attractive: taxes, debt or disengagement.  Maybe Warnock is actually taking the first stab at promoting a part of the disengagement solution, i.e. cull the herd.  Of course, the actual Baby Boomers may not find this solution very much to their liking.  But maybe this can morph into a useful dialogue on just how Western Civilization &#8220;expels&#8221; the Baby Boomer cohort with a minimum of pain and suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6244.html/comment-page-1#comment-269503</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sol: Aren&#039;t &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.google.com/images?um=1&amp;hl=en&amp;newwindow=1&amp;safe=off&amp;rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us&amp;q=ashura+nyc+blood&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;we already seeing something like Aztecs in the Streets of New York City?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sol: Aren&#8217;t <a href="http://images.google.com/images?um=1&amp;hl=en&amp;newwindow=1&amp;safe=off&amp;rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us&amp;q=ashura+nyc+blood" rel="nofollow">we already seeing something like Aztecs in the Streets of New York City?</a></p>
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		<title>By: sol vason</title>
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		<dc:creator>sol vason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recent years have seen Christian values removed from government, law, medicine, education and the market place.  Currently Those Who Matter are trying out different ways to replace these values. We no longer have values, we only have laws.

Sarah Palin is being persecuted because she is openly Christian.
this election will decide if Christian values and morals will ever again have a place in government. Soon Christians will be holding secret prayer meetings and drawing fish in the sand.

Those who cheer the defeat of Christianity should remember that human beings are hard wired to believe in some sort of God.  The Christian God is perhaps the most benign of the currently available choices.  

It would be truly ironic if, having conquered Christianity, we were to witness an Aztec Revival in which the pyramids of Mexico were reopened so that the heads and hearts of the chattering classes could be sacreficed to the Sun God in order to prevent Global Warming.

As a famous philosopher once said &quot;Everybody must believe in something and I believe I will have another beer.&quot;

In beer veritas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recent years have seen Christian values removed from government, law, medicine, education and the market place.  Currently Those Who Matter are trying out different ways to replace these values. We no longer have values, we only have laws.</p>
<p>Sarah Palin is being persecuted because she is openly Christian.<br />
this election will decide if Christian values and morals will ever again have a place in government. Soon Christians will be holding secret prayer meetings and drawing fish in the sand.</p>
<p>Those who cheer the defeat of Christianity should remember that human beings are hard wired to believe in some sort of God.  The Christian God is perhaps the most benign of the currently available choices.  </p>
<p>It would be truly ironic if, having conquered Christianity, we were to witness an Aztec Revival in which the pyramids of Mexico were reopened so that the heads and hearts of the chattering classes could be sacreficed to the Sun God in order to prevent Global Warming.</p>
<p>As a famous philosopher once said &#8220;Everybody must believe in something and I believe I will have another beer.&#8221;</p>
<p>In beer veritas.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The closer men came to perfecting for themselves a paradise, the more impatient they seemed to become with it, and with themselves as well. They made a garden of pleasure, and became progressively more miserable with it as it grew in richness and power and beauty; for then, perhaps, it was easier for them to see that something was missing in the garden, some tree or shrub that would not grow. When the world was in darkness and wretchedness, it could believe in perfection and yearn for it. But when the world became bright with reason and riches, it began to sense the narrowness of the needle’s eye, and that rankled for a world no longer willing to believe or yearn. Well, they were going to destroy it again, were they—this garden Earth, civilized and knowing, to be torn apart again that Man might hope again in wretched darkness.&quot;

Walter Miller, A Canticle for Leibowitz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The closer men came to perfecting for themselves a paradise, the more impatient they seemed to become with it, and with themselves as well. They made a garden of pleasure, and became progressively more miserable with it as it grew in richness and power and beauty; for then, perhaps, it was easier for them to see that something was missing in the garden, some tree or shrub that would not grow. When the world was in darkness and wretchedness, it could believe in perfection and yearn for it. But when the world became bright with reason and riches, it began to sense the narrowness of the needle’s eye, and that rankled for a world no longer willing to believe or yearn. Well, they were going to destroy it again, were they—this garden Earth, civilized and knowing, to be torn apart again that Man might hope again in wretched darkness.&#8221;</p>
<p>Walter Miller, A Canticle for Leibowitz</p>
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		<title>By: Yours Truly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yours Truly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginny : 

wished the kids in the region where I&#039;m stayin&#039; had a little more opinion on things like your adolescent daughter instead of just boyband preferences &amp; what&#039;s the latest fashions, the latest media gossip, yada yada. First things first : no environment advocatin&#039; the readin&#039; of decent literature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginny : </p>
<p>wished the kids in the region where I&#8217;m stayin&#8217; had a little more opinion on things like your adolescent daughter instead of just boyband preferences &amp; what&#8217;s the latest fashions, the latest media gossip, yada yada. First things first : no environment advocatin&#8217; the readin&#8217; of decent literature.</p>
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