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		<title>By: tehag</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6404.html/comment-page-1#comment-278666</link>
		<dc:creator>tehag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wouldn&#039;t matter if Lincoln himself came back from the dead and choose Reagan as his V.P. Has any cabinet-level department ever been abolished in the USA or anywhere else following a campaign promise to do the same? Any expansion of the government enacted under Obama is permanent. I doubt even a 100% electoral college sweep by the Libertarian party would result in the reduction of cabinet departments to State, War, and Treasury. 

Republicans reduce taxes, not spending, like Reagan. They reduce taxes, not the size of government, like Reagan.

Conservatives conserve. What ever is enacted by the Democrats will be conserved by Republicans. The Republicans had their chance to repeal the New Deal and Great Society. Instead they conserved them.

That government should be smaller is contrary to the entire history of the 20th century. That expansion began when &#039;Progressives&#039; (then Republicans) instituted an income tax. It will never be repealed, which would take a constitutional amendment. The state governments will never vote to terminate the federal income tax or their own.

Short of mass conversions to Islam, the future is clear and has been for decades: more bureaucracy, more regulation by self-appointed experts, more government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wouldn&#8217;t matter if Lincoln himself came back from the dead and choose Reagan as his V.P. Has any cabinet-level department ever been abolished in the USA or anywhere else following a campaign promise to do the same? Any expansion of the government enacted under Obama is permanent. I doubt even a 100% electoral college sweep by the Libertarian party would result in the reduction of cabinet departments to State, War, and Treasury. </p>
<p>Republicans reduce taxes, not spending, like Reagan. They reduce taxes, not the size of government, like Reagan.</p>
<p>Conservatives conserve. What ever is enacted by the Democrats will be conserved by Republicans. The Republicans had their chance to repeal the New Deal and Great Society. Instead they conserved them.</p>
<p>That government should be smaller is contrary to the entire history of the 20th century. That expansion began when &#8216;Progressives&#8217; (then Republicans) instituted an income tax. It will never be repealed, which would take a constitutional amendment. The state governments will never vote to terminate the federal income tax or their own.</p>
<p>Short of mass conversions to Islam, the future is clear and has been for decades: more bureaucracy, more regulation by self-appointed experts, more government.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl from Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl from Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t count on the dems holding it together for long.  Agreed that the Illinois Republicans can&#039;t organize a tea party, though.

Can&#039;t see the future but in my lifetime the dems have always imploded early on.  History says we have a decent shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t count on the dems holding it together for long.  Agreed that the Illinois Republicans can&#8217;t organize a tea party, though.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t see the future but in my lifetime the dems have always imploded early on.  History says we have a decent shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, while some people seem to expect the Republicans to reorganize effectively I see no reason why this should be the case. If the Republicans knew what to do they would have won Tuesday&#039;s elections. There &lt;i&gt;may&lt;/i&gt; now be a period of reorganization and experimentation by Republicans, but it&#039;s possible that they will go in the wrong direction, perhaps multiple times. Some of the leaders may even move Left, because from their POV it may have been Obama&#039;s leftist platform that won the election. Again, the experience of the British Conservatives is cautionary. 

(The experience of Illinois Republicans presents another set of ugly possibilities. The Illinois Republican Party has been flatlining for decades, a Party of empty husks despite ample opportunity for thoughtful opposition to a corrupt and incompetent Democratic establishment.)

A pro-freedom/markets/defense political resurgence in this country will take a combination of good ideas, good leadership and a favorable political environment. Right now the political environment is unfavorable, as a plurality of Americans is invested in high hopes for an Obama administration. Obama will now get a chance to do his best for good or ill, and this will probably take a while. At the same time it isn&#039;t clear that Republicans (assuming that any classical-liberal resurgence will be a Republican effort) have leaders who are up to the task of challenging him. There is no Gingrich much less a Reagan, and who knows when the next one will emerge. Finally, the Republican Party needs to reevaluate its ideas, and probably to cull some of the dross of &quot;compassionate conservatism.&quot; That&#039;s a minimum requirement. It&#039;s possible that Republicans will go through a long period of internal struggle between competing ideological sub-groups (libertarian, populist, nativist, religious-conservative, etc.) before a coherent framework for challenging the Democrats nationally emerges.

And throughout this period the Democrats and the Left will be reworking the system to lock in their own advantages. They may overreach and create an opportunity for their non-statist political opponents, but I wouldn&#039;t count on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, while some people seem to expect the Republicans to reorganize effectively I see no reason why this should be the case. If the Republicans knew what to do they would have won Tuesday&#8217;s elections. There <i>may</i> now be a period of reorganization and experimentation by Republicans, but it&#8217;s possible that they will go in the wrong direction, perhaps multiple times. Some of the leaders may even move Left, because from their POV it may have been Obama&#8217;s leftist platform that won the election. Again, the experience of the British Conservatives is cautionary. </p>
<p>(The experience of Illinois Republicans presents another set of ugly possibilities. The Illinois Republican Party has been flatlining for decades, a Party of empty husks despite ample opportunity for thoughtful opposition to a corrupt and incompetent Democratic establishment.)</p>
<p>A pro-freedom/markets/defense political resurgence in this country will take a combination of good ideas, good leadership and a favorable political environment. Right now the political environment is unfavorable, as a plurality of Americans is invested in high hopes for an Obama administration. Obama will now get a chance to do his best for good or ill, and this will probably take a while. At the same time it isn&#8217;t clear that Republicans (assuming that any classical-liberal resurgence will be a Republican effort) have leaders who are up to the task of challenging him. There is no Gingrich much less a Reagan, and who knows when the next one will emerge. Finally, the Republican Party needs to reevaluate its ideas, and probably to cull some of the dross of &#8220;compassionate conservatism.&#8221; That&#8217;s a minimum requirement. It&#8217;s possible that Republicans will go through a long period of internal struggle between competing ideological sub-groups (libertarian, populist, nativist, religious-conservative, etc.) before a coherent framework for challenging the Democrats nationally emerges.</p>
<p>And throughout this period the Democrats and the Left will be reworking the system to lock in their own advantages. They may overreach and create an opportunity for their non-statist political opponents, but I wouldn&#8217;t count on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan from Madison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan from Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Helen, I think in a place like Illinois they have to go from the ground up, but in other places such as here in Wisconsin there isn&#039;t as much work to do as far as rebuilding goes.  And it isn&#039;t like Obama completely destroyed McCain - several states were very, very close - I think with the right candidate (cough, PALIN) things could turn around very quickly.  Also, if the Dems overplay their hand, which a lot of people think they will, we may start to see some things happen in 2010.  We can only hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Helen, I think in a place like Illinois they have to go from the ground up, but in other places such as here in Wisconsin there isn&#8217;t as much work to do as far as rebuilding goes.  And it isn&#8217;t like Obama completely destroyed McCain &#8211; several states were very, very close &#8211; I think with the right candidate (cough, PALIN) things could turn around very quickly.  Also, if the Dems overplay their hand, which a lot of people think they will, we may start to see some things happen in 2010.  We can only hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commiserations, guys. But you are still better off than we are. You just have to rebuild the Republican party not the whole of the conservative/right-wing movement. We have been so badly served by the Conservatives that we must start from scratch without them. I wrote about it here: http://eureferendum2.blogspot.com/2008/11/well-what-now.html

I am not a happy bunny but what can one do. At least I shall enjoy being as rude as possible to Tory Socialists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commiserations, guys. But you are still better off than we are. You just have to rebuild the Republican party not the whole of the conservative/right-wing movement. We have been so badly served by the Conservatives that we must start from scratch without them. I wrote about it here: <a href="http://eureferendum2.blogspot.com/2008/11/well-what-now.html" rel="nofollow">http://eureferendum2.blogspot.com/2008/11/well-what-now.html</a></p>
<p>I am not a happy bunny but what can one do. At least I shall enjoy being as rude as possible to Tory Socialists.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl from Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl from Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This loss will be good for the Republicans.  In Illinois you can see the utter destruction of the Republican party, as we elect bona-fide crooks like Ryan and his ilk, raise taxes, and open the gates to death row.

We need to just take stock, start over, and think about what republicans stand for.  I don&#039;t mind losing in a principled manner.  Winning while acting like Democrats only worked for a while.  Now it doesn&#039;t work at all.

But I am VERY HAPPY not to have to think about it for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This loss will be good for the Republicans.  In Illinois you can see the utter destruction of the Republican party, as we elect bona-fide crooks like Ryan and his ilk, raise taxes, and open the gates to death row.</p>
<p>We need to just take stock, start over, and think about what republicans stand for.  I don&#8217;t mind losing in a principled manner.  Winning while acting like Democrats only worked for a while.  Now it doesn&#8217;t work at all.</p>
<p>But I am VERY HAPPY not to have to think about it for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: chel</title>
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		<dc:creator>chel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jdm, so I don&#039;t count as a Minnesotan because I live in The Cities?

Anyway, I have to say that if Franken loses (or actually even if he doesn&#039;t since this race is so tight) it really speaks to how much of a crappy candidate Franken was.  You&#039;d think the DFL could do better.  I mean, Norm Coleman is so slimely and such a Bush lackey, how could he pull off a win in a state that heavily favored Obama and had huge voter turnout?  My opinion -- it&#039;s only possible if the opposing candidate was a poor, poor choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jdm, so I don&#8217;t count as a Minnesotan because I live in The Cities?</p>
<p>Anyway, I have to say that if Franken loses (or actually even if he doesn&#8217;t since this race is so tight) it really speaks to how much of a crappy candidate Franken was.  You&#8217;d think the DFL could do better.  I mean, Norm Coleman is so slimely and such a Bush lackey, how could he pull off a win in a state that heavily favored Obama and had huge voter turnout?  My opinion &#8212; it&#8217;s only possible if the opposing candidate was a poor, poor choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh, I miss Maggie, pretty much all the time.  I am hanging a lot of hope on Palin too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, I miss Maggie, pretty much all the time.  I am hanging a lot of hope on Palin too.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhSc8qVMjKM&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kid Rock ripped of the immortal Warren Zevon&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhSc8qVMjKM" rel="nofollow">Kid Rock ripped of the immortal Warren Zevon</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan from Madison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan from Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point.  I just looked at the county map of the US -  the vast majority of the rural areas, except for in the northeast and here in Wisconsin and Minnesota and parts of Iowa went for McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point.  I just looked at the county map of the US &#8211;  the vast majority of the rural areas, except for in the northeast and here in Wisconsin and Minnesota and parts of Iowa went for McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: jdm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The (Mpls) Star-Tribune has an interesting graphic for the vote distributions for the Senate race. The people of MN didn&#039;t elect Franken (assuming he wins), Mpls, St Paul and the first ring suburbs did. 

In fact, in those House districts that skim the Cities (as we out here call &#039;em), Republicans (Bachman, Paulsen) did fine.

I should note, however, the usual collection of knuckleheads from &quot;da Range&quot;, my home county, Mower, and an odd area out in southwest MN, will also always go Democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The (Mpls) Star-Tribune has an interesting graphic for the vote distributions for the Senate race. The people of MN didn&#8217;t elect Franken (assuming he wins), Mpls, St Paul and the first ring suburbs did. </p>
<p>In fact, in those House districts that skim the Cities (as we out here call &#8216;em), Republicans (Bachman, Paulsen) did fine.</p>
<p>I should note, however, the usual collection of knuckleheads from &#8220;da Range&#8221;, my home county, Mower, and an odd area out in southwest MN, will also always go Democrat.</p>
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