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		<title>By: Obloodyhell</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6570.html/comment-page-1#comment-289122</link>
		<dc:creator>Obloodyhell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; IIRC the Google founders self-financed, which is why they retained for themselves so much of the wealth they created. It may also be part of the reason why their company became as successful as it did.

Google does use their money comparatively wisely. While I despise some of their business behaviors (the &lt;a href=&quot;http://seclists.org/politech/2002/Mar/0048.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bowman&#039;s Brigade issue&lt;/a&gt; and the concessions they gave to operate in China), one can&#039;t argue with the fact that they do keep coming up with &quot;cool&quot; tech. Anyone who hasn&#039;t used Google Maps recently should check out their new &quot;street view&quot; option available for many areas. Pretty friggin&#039; awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; IIRC the Google founders self-financed, which is why they retained for themselves so much of the wealth they created. It may also be part of the reason why their company became as successful as it did.</p>
<p>Google does use their money comparatively wisely. While I despise some of their business behaviors (the <a href="http://seclists.org/politech/2002/Mar/0048.html" rel="nofollow">Bowman&#8217;s Brigade issue</a> and the concessions they gave to operate in China), one can&#8217;t argue with the fact that they do keep coming up with &#8220;cool&#8221; tech. Anyone who hasn&#8217;t used Google Maps recently should check out their new &#8220;street view&#8221; option available for many areas. Pretty friggin&#8217; awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IIRC the Google founders self-financed, which is why they retained for themselves so much of the wealth they created. It may also be part of the reason why their company became as successful as it did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IIRC the Google founders self-financed, which is why they retained for themselves so much of the wealth they created. It may also be part of the reason why their company became as successful as it did.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny L. McDaniel wrote:
&lt;i&gt;It is just a legal method of doing what Madoff has done the twenty years.&lt;/i&gt;

No, it&#039;s much different. Madoff duped investors by concealing what he was doing; investors didn&#039;t know what was really going on. In the case of PE lending the borrowers disclosed everything, and the lenders knew everything but chose to accept (or disregard) the risks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny L. McDaniel wrote:<br />
<i>It is just a legal method of doing what Madoff has done the twenty years.</i></p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s much different. Madoff duped investors by concealing what he was doing; investors didn&#8217;t know what was really going on. In the case of PE lending the borrowers disclosed everything, and the lenders knew everything but chose to accept (or disregard) the risks.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl from Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl from Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of good comments.

I personally don&#039;t buy the Sarbox argument.  Sarbox adds a cost, but so do regulations, taxes, and everything else.  If the markets are doing OK, you can IPO and make your profits with or without Sarbox.  I am not saying that Sarbox is a good idea or am in favor of it, I just don&#039;t think that it is that much of a killer, especially compared to all of the legal burdens and taxation issues companies face.  It doesn&#039;t help, though.

Some of the most ambitious VC ventures are being picked up by those Paypal guys... one is actually creating a rocket company that is getting a NASA contract!  Those guys seem to be the ones to watch.  I think that the VC&#039;s that raise funds don&#039;t want to be saddled with those kinds of risks because you can&#039;t explain it to your backers - &quot;you invested in a rocket company?&quot; if it fails.

The general point I am making is not for or against this type of work, just that most of it is pretty predictive, using available tools and processes, and not worth the 2% / 20% model.  It isn&#039;t like those guys went out there and &quot;beat&quot; the market.  They failed like everyone else, just more expensively.

I generally abhor those that took pretty well functioning (if flawed) companies, loaded them with debt, TOOK THAT MONEY OUT FOR THEMSELVES, and then watched the company get swamped when the economy tanked.  Ouch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of good comments.</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t buy the Sarbox argument.  Sarbox adds a cost, but so do regulations, taxes, and everything else.  If the markets are doing OK, you can IPO and make your profits with or without Sarbox.  I am not saying that Sarbox is a good idea or am in favor of it, I just don&#8217;t think that it is that much of a killer, especially compared to all of the legal burdens and taxation issues companies face.  It doesn&#8217;t help, though.</p>
<p>Some of the most ambitious VC ventures are being picked up by those Paypal guys&#8230; one is actually creating a rocket company that is getting a NASA contract!  Those guys seem to be the ones to watch.  I think that the VC&#8217;s that raise funds don&#8217;t want to be saddled with those kinds of risks because you can&#8217;t explain it to your backers &#8211; &#8220;you invested in a rocket company?&#8221; if it fails.</p>
<p>The general point I am making is not for or against this type of work, just that most of it is pretty predictive, using available tools and processes, and not worth the 2% / 20% model.  It isn&#8217;t like those guys went out there and &#8220;beat&#8221; the market.  They failed like everyone else, just more expensively.</p>
<p>I generally abhor those that took pretty well functioning (if flawed) companies, loaded them with debt, TOOK THAT MONEY OUT FOR THEMSELVES, and then watched the company get swamped when the economy tanked.  Ouch.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are some interesting thoughts from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.paulgraham.com/divergence.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paul Graham&lt;/a&gt;...he argues that the costs of an Internet-oriented startup have gotten so low that you can usually do it *without* the need for VC investment.

I don&#039;t think this usually applies, though, to non-Internet-based businesses like one focused on an improved internal combustion engine or a new steelmaking process, or to any business that requires the creation of a large sales organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some interesting thoughts from <a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/divergence.html" rel="nofollow">Paul Graham</a>&#8230;he argues that the costs of an Internet-oriented startup have gotten so low that you can usually do it *without* the need for VC investment.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this usually applies, though, to non-Internet-based businesses like one focused on an improved internal combustion engine or a new steelmaking process, or to any business that requires the creation of a large sales organization.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Venkata Subramani</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Venkata Subramani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Venture Capitalists or Private Equity Guys - boom time or recession - Web 2.0 or Web 3.0 - Hedge Funds or PE Funds - the single important factor that is overlooked is &#039;common sense&#039; - and that funneled with greed is surely a downward spiral. But this time around it takes everyone with it good and bad guys alike. Let us hope that we are not again hit by the CDS avalanche that is rushing towards us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Venture Capitalists or Private Equity Guys &#8211; boom time or recession &#8211; Web 2.0 or Web 3.0 &#8211; Hedge Funds or PE Funds &#8211; the single important factor that is overlooked is &#8216;common sense&#8217; &#8211; and that funneled with greed is surely a downward spiral. But this time around it takes everyone with it good and bad guys alike. Let us hope that we are not again hit by the CDS avalanche that is rushing towards us.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VC IPO&#039;s were killed by SarbOx. Exit by M &amp; A is rarely as rewarding, especially if the stock rises post IPO. 

The quality of VCs has fallen every decade. Their backgrounds are no where near as strong as 30 years ago. John Doerr? I worked for Gene Kleiner. Doerr&#039;s no Gene Kleiner.

Back to the bench.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VC IPO&#8217;s were killed by SarbOx. Exit by M &amp; A is rarely as rewarding, especially if the stock rises post IPO. </p>
<p>The quality of VCs has fallen every decade. Their backgrounds are no where near as strong as 30 years ago. John Doerr? I worked for Gene Kleiner. Doerr&#8217;s no Gene Kleiner.</p>
<p>Back to the bench.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The liquidity event for a venture capital investment doesn&#039;t have to be an IPO; it can also be an acquisition by an existing corporation.

A lot of VC partners have strong technology &amp; startup backgrounds themelves, and often really do bring something to the table in terms of management.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The liquidity event for a venture capital investment doesn&#8217;t have to be an IPO; it can also be an acquisition by an existing corporation.</p>
<p>A lot of VC partners have strong technology &amp; startup backgrounds themelves, and often really do bring something to the table in terms of management.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny L. McDaniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny L. McDaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is just a legal method of doing what Madoff has done the twenty years. When &quot;cashing out&quot; the enterprise is searching for monoey (liguidity) again. I suppose this is what capitalism allows but it plays havoc on the economy as a whole when it happens too many times, too much. The example of the dot.com boom bears this out.

Danny L. McDaniel
Lafayette, Indiana</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is just a legal method of doing what Madoff has done the twenty years. When &#8220;cashing out&#8221; the enterprise is searching for monoey (liguidity) again. I suppose this is what capitalism allows but it plays havoc on the economy as a whole when it happens too many times, too much. The example of the dot.com boom bears this out.</p>
<p>Danny L. McDaniel<br />
Lafayette, Indiana</p>
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