If you say ‘Liberals are Faggots’ on a right-wing blog (let alone smear an elected official by name), the right-wing blog itself will ban you.

Of course, no leftist will admit this hypocrisy. Projection and hypocrisy are the lifeblood of the left. That is why loony leftism couldn’t really sustain itself in the era before Internet anonymity.

“I like the way you all discuss the issues by calling all of us liberals names.”

According to Dr. Clouthier, what you are doing is called projection.

“I bring this all up because commenters at my Houston Chronicle blog–basically a bunch of liberal trolls with nothing better to do than spew stupid–are kvetching about the upcoming Tea Party Protests. People (of all political stripes, by the way) peacefully protesting are called racist, radical, hate-filled, etc. You know the drill.”

Tom, I have yet to see anything here that even approaches the level of bile that is constantly on display in the comments left up at The Daily Kos, or The Huffington Post. All we do is point out that those on the Left are empty headed, immature, and selfish. We don’t even use profanity!

James

Leftards actually do wish to exterminate Republicans and devout Christians. They say it all the time.

Republicans have no such genocidal desires (given that we actually do have the weaponry, military veterans, and wealth to act on them).

>Try saying “Liberals are Faggots” on right-wing blogs. The right-wing blogs will delete the
>comment and ban the commenter. That shows the vastly higher human decency, decorum, and
> manners of the right.

Yet just two days earlier, on April 9th, 2009 at 9:57 pm, the same Toads claimed:

> Let there be no doubt that if leftists could send all conservatives and devout Christians to
> the gas chambers, they would.

Perhaps Todas believes that using a slang word for homosexual is more “vitrolic” then specifically accusing someone of wishing for mass murder or genocide. But I still have to wonder why the cognitive dissonance hasn’t caused his head to explode.

On a lefty blog, anything negative about the Right goes : “Bush is Hitler”, “Bush tortures and eats babies”, “Bush wanted to exterminate Black people in New Orleans”. It will be applauded.

However, on the right-wing blogs, if a commenter says anything offensive about a leftist (let alone an elected leader), the blog will usually ban the comment.

Try saying “Liberals are Faggots” on right-wing blogs. The right-wing blogs will delete the comment and ban the commenter. That shows the vastly higher human decency, decorum, and manners of the right.

“And I stand by my previous statement. I do recognize though, that this (which part of the political spectrum engages in more vitriol) is a judgment call and is very likely to be determined by ones political outlook. Part of this may be projection, sure. Another, equally important, is cognitive bias. We tend to screen out statements that don’t accord with our worldview and enhance the importance of those that do; this influences our perception of any factual statement.”

“So my real beef is not with a disagreement on which blogs have more vitriol. Reasonable people will disagree, for the reasons listed above. My beef is pointing out a recognizably human flaw as a failing of only one side.”

Time after time, protesters during the Bush administration would parade through the streets with an effigy of the President hanging from a noose. The highlight for many attending the protest would be when the effigy was burned. And let us not forget the Halloween decoration one man put up outside of his house, showing Sarah Palin hanging from the neck. The fact that she was campaigning for the job of Vice President, and had yet to be elected to national office, didn’t mean that she was off limits.

But the violence the Left indulged in wasn’t all play acting. Military recruiters found the tires of their cars slashed if they dared to participate in college career days. The offices of Conservative politicians were vandalized. Someone even tossed firebombs at a house that dared to display a sign showing support for John McCain.

If both sides are guilty, then please point out the effigies of President Obama that have been burned at the Tea Protests that occur all over the country. Show me where people who work for ACORN have had the tires on their car slashed. How many effigies of Joe Biden were hanged as part of a Halloween display?

The answer is, of course, that virtually all of these outrageous acts are committed by people who identify with the Left. Not only that but, as long as they simply call for acts of disgusting violence, they do not suffer any adverse reaction. In fact, they are lauded as being brave! Heroes to people who see nothing wrong with visualizing the most terrible acts of carnage, as long as only Conservatives die.

But, getting back to the blogs, rhetoric comes before action. How many Conservative blogs allow violent rhetoric and comments to remain on their site without deleting the offending remarks, and banning those who would type out such vile filth? I think you would have to search long and hard to find a significant number.

But so far as calls for violence from the Left is concerned, simply go to The Daily Kos and pick ten posts at random.

Seanf finishes his last comment with the line…

“When it comes to character or innate flaws like a lack of patriotism, honesty or intelligence, political orientation has very little predictive value.”

I think recent history resoundingly proves that statement to be false.

James

Speaking of someone who blinks – often: has there ever been a man as uncomfortable in his own skin as Biden? I have sympathy: anyone who likes to tell good anecdotes that illustrate their opinions exaggerates, tells stories in which their words have bite or wisdom or simple strength they probably didn’t at that historical moment. That this is a problematic trait in someone in the very immediate line to the presidency is a bit disturbing.

I think leftists like to mind other people’s business because they don’t have a lives of their own. Hey guys-get a life.You’ll feel better.

– James’ statement was “most Liberal blogs can be said to be hopelessly partisan, if not outright savage, in their treatment of Conservatives.” My point was not that this was untrue, but that it was also, and in fact MORE true of conservative blogs.

– And I stand by my previous statement. I do recognize though, that this (which part of the political spectrum engages in more vitriol) is a judgment call and is very likely to be determined by ones political outlook. Part of this may be projection, sure. Another, equally important, is cognitive bias. We tend to screen out statements that don’t accord with our worldview and enhance the importance of those that do; this influences our perception of any factual statement.

Let me give you an example. Ginny says: “I suspect the reason those on the right resign so quickly when their wrongdoing is uncovered is that they begin with a position of greater self-examination.” If you’re conservative, you’re likely to agree. If you’re liberal, you’re shaking your head wondering how she could possibly state something like that, given – David Vitter? Ted Stevens? Larry Craig? Duke Cunningham? the list goes on…but it’s not just likely to spring to mind if you’re a conservative. of course liberals are equally susceptible to this.

– So my real beef is not with a disagreement on which blogs have more vitriol. Reasonable people will disagree, for the reasons listed above. My beef is pointing out a recognizably human flaw as a failing of only one side. I very often see comments like “Leftists are X.” Yes, well, so are conservatives. And vice versa. When it comes to character or innate flaws like a lack of patriotism, honesty or intelligence, political orientation has very little predictive value.

It has been noted for over a century that non-leftist tend to view leftist as foolish and childish utopians whereas a leftist tend to view non-leftist as simply evil. Leftist are so convinced that their own viewpoints arise from clearly evident logic that the only reason they can conceive of for anyone disagreeing with them is because they act out of pure evil.

Mainstream leftist politicians routinely accuse their non-leftist opponents of being racist and wanting to force pain and suffering on everyone. It is common for Democrats to accuse Republicans or libertarians of wanting to deny people food, clothing shelter and medical care. Its common to accuse those who support merit based selection of being racist, sexist, abilist, x-ist etc. Indeed, leftist seem genuinely surprised when non-leftist take offense to these casual slanders.

Conversely, leftist react with rage if anyone suggest that they themselves are not pure as the driven snow. This is why they believe that non-leftist are so much more vitriolic than themselves. They’re simply not used to having their own morality questioned because the political debates are usually framed as overly idealistic leftist versus the world-weary pragmatism of non-leftist. There is seldom suggestion that leftist choose certain solutions because those solutions benefit leftists as individually and collectively. When someone does suggest that leftists are not the altruist they imagine themselves i.e. if someone suggest that leftists are as self interested as leftists claim non-leftists are, they interpret that as a brutal verbal attack outside the bounds of polite conversation.

In short, history has allowed leftists to view themselves as a kind of priesthood whose motives can never be questioned. You argue about the wisdom of their ideas but you can never argue whether leftists are behaving selfishly. That is beyond the pale. Leftist however, can accuse everyone else of the worst possible crimes without any recrimination.

Most of us project our doubts and fears on others. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately if we want to think in pro-active terms), projection is revealing – a hint at what in a similar situation we might do. I suspect Bush would never even think in terms of re-education camps; that others suspected he would is revealing. The emphasis in Seanf’s links on the right-wing motives of one crazed murderer comes, I suspect, of an attempt to dominate the narrative of the last couple of weeks, one which would include the crazed murderer of four in Oakland. Crazed murderers seem to me to be crazed murderers. At some times, they quote from the Old Testament, at others from political tracts. That should not discredit the Old Testament. We can’t develop a society so soft that a crazed murderers musings will not find something to impel them. That’s what they do – develop crazed reasons for crazed murders.

Seanf’s links are to links that may be old but many find those who merely disagree with them offensive. For instance, they seem to think the evil lies in listing a Times’ reporter’s house when the Times reporter has listed others’ houses. The argument seems to be that Malkin’s positions are vile, so, vile treatment of her is appropriate. (She seems to me to be given to hyperbole but the responses to her – like those to various other ethnic minorities and women in general – indicates that some serious self-examination on the left would be a good idea. Racism and sexism appear so quickly we suspect they are gut reactions of the left.)

The series of crazed murderers indicates a variety of things. Perhaps the main one is that our strong belief in individualism and personal rights (policies most of us would defend) may have led to lax restraints on the clearly mentally ill. Of course, stronger restraints might be misused. But we see in the reactions Seanf cites a differing treatments of their “reasoning” – the level of sympathy depends less upon circumstances and more upon pre-existing ideologies. This is likely to make us less rather than more willing to extend the controls on the mentally ill we saw a few decades ago.

EVERYTHING that leftards do is projection.

From their unfounded accusations of racism towards the right (despite the fact that the left has always been more racist than the right), to their accusation of war-mongering/Hitlerism, to the actions of SeanF here, EVERYTHING ABOUT THE LEFT IS PROJECTION.

Why do you refer to leftists/Marxists as ‘liberals’ and ‘progressives’?

They are neither liberal nor progressive, as per the dictionary definition of those terms. They are rigid, intolerant, illiberal, and wedded to ideologies that have failed 100% of the time they were implemented.

By letting them get a positive word assigned to them, you are effectively giving them the higher ground. Do you expect to win any battle when the other side demands to be called the ‘good’ side and you the ‘bad’ side, and you comply with their wish?

Even calling them ‘liberals’ means that the right does not know how to combat them.

Perhaps you would be so kind to indicate where any of the comments above call for you to be “forcibly eliminated”.

That IS what you said Conservatives do, right? “Conservative tend to think the same, but also accuse liberals of being unpatriotic traitors who, in some instances, should be forcibly eliminated.”

I see a lot of claims that people on the Left are violent, but I don’t see anyone calling for violence here. I also don’t see anyone urging me to delete your comments and block you from the blog, which is the most gentle interpretation of your phrase “forcibly eliminated”. The closest was Bgates, who said you shouldn’t speak about politics any more. Don’t see any force there.

You are right that I accused Liberals of being unpatriotic traitors, but only those who called for the violent murder of our President. If such talk is not traitorous or unpatriotic, I don’t know what else could possibly fit the bill.

Personally, Seanf, I think you are indulging in a bit of projection.

James

Anyway, some of you asked for examples. I could write up a list but Glennzilla already has a post on this that is better than anything I could write. It’s an oldie but a goodie – please actually read his article, click on his links, and then read the LGF/Powerline/Goldstein etc. material.

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/07/journalists-its-time-for-some-articles.html

Also, watch Glenn Beck sometime. Now that is one angry man.

Finally, a good resource for monitoring eliminationist discourse is Dave Neiwert (http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/). Right now his first post has some interesting information about Richard Poplanski, the Pittsburgh shooter.

Brad Delong once went on a rant on why all Republicans are racists. The Futurist dismantled him in a debate pretty quickly, over here. Actually, since DeLong fled after the first blow, it was a very short battle.