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  • HMS Belfast

    Posted by Carl from Chicago on May 26th, 2009 (All posts by )

    When I was in London recently I went to the top of the monument to the Great London Fire of 1666 (the site is cool; it has history information as well as a view from the top of the monument, updated every 60 seconds). From the top of this tower I saw what I was looking for – a great place to get a photo of the HMS Belfast, a British cruiser from WW2. The wikipedia site for HMS Belfast is a good place to start for information about this hard-working vessel – I was going to classify her as a “light” cruiser (due to the fact that she carried 6 inch main guns, while heavy cruisers carried 8 inch guns) but I read that after repairs from 1939-42 (after she hit a mine) she had been rebuilt and was the heaviest cruiser by tonnage in the British navy at the time, so I will just call her a cruiser.

    While I have been to many museums in the United States that feature large WW2 and Korean era warships, such as the carrier Midway in South Carolina and the carrier Intrepid in New York, among others, there are comparatively few large ships that have been preserved in Europe and Asia. I believe (and semi-confirmed from this site, which is interesting) that the HMS Belfast is the only big-gun ship that has been preserved from the world wars in all of Europe. I heard a rumor (can’t find the link) that there even have been calls from Germany to bring back the Prinz Eugen (currently upside down at Bikini atoll, where she was blasted after WW2 in atomic bomb tests) back to Germany as a museum (very highly unlikely, of course).

    There are many logical reasons why there aren’t museums for Germany and Japan – their capital ships were mostly bombed to oblivion by the Allies in WW2 or confiscated after wards, which is how the Prinz Eugen ended up all the way across the world in the Pacific. Italy is slightly more complex, since some of her ships made their way to the Allies after she switched sides in 1943, but they clearly had bigger problems than retaining capital ships in the years after WW2. France had some surviving ships that served with the British, but none of the major ships were preserved, and there weren’t that many to begin with. The Russians were never a big naval power in the first place, and nothing big from WW2 was preserved (although a lot of their fleet is rusting in place today). Of the big maritime powers, only the US and the UK (along with Canada and Australia) weren’t occupied (or almost totally occupied, in the case of Russia) at some point along the way, which is why their ships are all gone.

    I think that something important was lost when all of these big-gun ships were scrapped or destroyed. The HMS Belfast, in London – is about 10,000 tons – a relative pygmy compared to even the smallest battleship or even a major ship from WW1. The German WW1 battleships scuttled outside Scapa Flow in 1919 (they were sent to England as part of reparations) were over 20,000 tons apiece, for example. Here is a link of some cool videos that divers have taken of these WW1 German battleships which still lie in the mud off Scapa Flow.

    These ships were amazing technological marvels – they often had more than 1000 sailors and required a vast industrial capability to construct the engines, turrets and steel plate for protection. These ships also required large drydocks and the ability to make wartime repairs – for example the HMS Belfast required 3 years of repairs after she hit a mine in 1939 and they were able to bring back ships from the mud of Pearl Harbor and float them after being torpedoed in Taranto, in Italy.

    As a kid growing up I read everything I could about the WW1 and WW2 heavy cruisers and battleships. I found them to be beautiful and fascinating weapons, and played encounters between them, real or imagined, in board games, miniatures, and finally on the computer. But they are all gone now, at least in Europe and Asia (except for the Belfast), and that makes me kind of sad. But the world changes, and we move on.

    Cross posted at LITGM

     

    10 Responses to “HMS Belfast”

    1. Lexington Green Says:

      The books by Vincent P. O’Hara about surface combat in World War II are supposed to be good.

    2. Dan from Madison Says:

      You should also read the Morrison Set if you haven’t already (although this book is USN based). The maneuvers that the crews put those boats through were nothing short of amazing, with virtually no computers to help navigation.

      I love reading about these behemoths as well, but frankly, I am happy that pretty much every single Japanese boat of any significant tonnage was in Davy Jones locker by the end of WW2. I still laugh when I read about the last sailing of the Yamato, what a futile plan (they were going to beach her and make it a gun platform to defend against the invasion of Okinawa).

      It is great that the US has so many of these ships open as museums, and the subs like the Torsk that we saw in Baltimore.

      I would love to see some of those boats resurrected from the deep, but you would have to find someone like Bill Gates to help finance it. I can’t imagine the cost of bringing the Prinz Eugen back to Germany, and I have a feeling after the surrender that that boat became property of the USN – good luck getting that away from them.

      If this photo at the top of the Iowa wiki isn’t beautiful, I don’t know what is.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_(BB-61)

    3. Dan from Madison Says:

      Well that link didn’t work so well, just click on Iowa, BB-61.

    4. david foster Says:

      John Ruskin, writing (1851) about the battleships of his day:

      For one thing this century will in after ages be considered to have done in a superb manner and one thing I think only. . . it will always be said of us, with unabated reverence, “They built ships of the line” . . . the ship of the line is [man’s] first work. Into that he has put as much of his human patience, common sense, forethought, experimental philosophy, self control, habits of order and obedience, thoroughly wrought handwork, defiance of brute elements, careless courage, careful patriotism, and calm expectation of the judgement of God, as can well be put into a space of 300 feet long by 80 broad. And I am thankful to have lived in an age when I could see this thing so done.

    5. Jim Miller Says:

      A Chicago Boy should not forget the U-505, still on display in the Museum of Science and Industry.

      A bit farther down the Thames, the British have a Cold War era sub, the Ocelot, you can tour.

      There was a converted Soviet sub on display in Seattle, but I heard about it too late to see it.

    6. andrewdb Says:

      The Midway carrier is in San Diego today – I don’t think it was in SC, so perhaps it was another ship?

      The Morrison set is great, but was written before the coade breaking stuff came out, so it is not the complete story.

    7. Tom Says:

      Per Keegan’s Fields of Battle, the USS Texas, which is right by the San Jacinto battlefield in the Houston area, is the sole extant pre-WWI dreadnought.

    8. Carl from Chicago Says:

      You are 100% right… it is the Yorktown in Charleston, not the Midway. That is also the home of the medal of honor museum.

    9. david foster Says:

      Not precisely a warship, but the Liberty Ship “John Brown” is in Baltimore and in operable condition. They were going to take it across the Atlantic for a D-Day commemoration, but someone decided it wasn’t sufficiently seaworthy for a long ocean voyage.

      Reciprocating steam engines, even though turbines had been in use for decades when these ships were built–a production optimization decision to avoid bottlenecks, probably due to the shortage of machinery capable of cutting large reduction gears.

    10. Evor Glens Says:

      As of this April, the USS Midway museum in downtown San Diego has logged 4 million visitors in the 5 years since opening in 2004. Many of the docents who guide tours are authentic USS Midway veterans, who can speak from personal experience. (www.midway.org)

      The USS Missouri, now berthed at Pearl Harbor near the USS Arizona, is another ship tour not to be missed for those so inclined. (www.ussmissouri.com)

      Sadly, USS Iowa, the lead ship in the BB class, is slowly rusting into scrap metal in Suisun Bay, in the Sacremento River delta 30 miles east of San Francisco.