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	<title>Comments on: The Farrah Fawcett &#8211; Ayn Rand Connection</title>
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		<title>By: Peter McCormick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter McCormick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said, the question was asked innocently and politely enough.

Thanks for your response.</description>
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<p>Thanks for your response.</p>
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		<title>By: Lexington Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lexington Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rather liked Laura&#039;s response, Peter.  But I will take your word for it that you are asking in a friendly rather than ideologically puritanical fashion.    

I read Atlas Shrugged and liked it as a teenager, aged 14 or so.  I read New Intellectual and Capitalism the Unknown Ideal which my mother also had in the house, and I thought much less of them.  I know, and knew, history pretty well.  Ayn Rand is not much of a historian and does not understand the historical roots of freedom and capitalism nearly so well as, for example, Hayek.  The artistic power of her work was due to her ability to put across powerfully some very important things about freedom, creativity and the evil of enforced collectivism.  All good stuff.  When she tried to systematize it, she lost me.  I found the polemical stuff unconvincing, like the bad parts of Atlas, without the good stuff.  Other people do a better job on the plane of social science and history.  As to philosophy, to the extent I looked at hers, I did not find it engaging.  Others can discuss its merits.  It had no interest for me or impact on me.  I also found I did not much care for the Randians I met -- I use the word in the sense indicated above, to mean an appearance of cultlike and fanatical devotion -- Sorry, I see something, and I report it how I see it -- and her fan base probably did as much to undercut her message as they did to promote it.  In particular,she and they retarded the development of a politically effective libertarianism by believing themselves to be above and beyond politics.  That is a serious and destructive error. 

Few people could have written an ideological atom bomb like Atlas, which for all its defects, is a force for good and can be a positive life-changer for people.  That is enough of an achievement for anybody, without pretending to be the greatest mind since Aristotle.

There are lots of other writers who fill in lots of other things worth knowing.  

Anywyay, no doubt the foregoing may arouse some ire.  But I am done with this thread.  

I like the many suggestions for a &quot;fantasy cast&quot; for Atlas.

I like Diane Lane for Dagny.  Not what Dagny looked like in the book, and a little old for the role, but she could do it.

Christian Bale could be John Galt.   

Johnny Depp as Francisco is intriguing.  He could do it, actually.  He is really a brilliant actor.  If he put himself into the role, he&#039;d be great.  

I do hope they make the movie.  It will disappoint the book&#039;s ardent fans, but done well, it could have a positive impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rather liked Laura&#8217;s response, Peter.  But I will take your word for it that you are asking in a friendly rather than ideologically puritanical fashion.    </p>
<p>I read Atlas Shrugged and liked it as a teenager, aged 14 or so.  I read New Intellectual and Capitalism the Unknown Ideal which my mother also had in the house, and I thought much less of them.  I know, and knew, history pretty well.  Ayn Rand is not much of a historian and does not understand the historical roots of freedom and capitalism nearly so well as, for example, Hayek.  The artistic power of her work was due to her ability to put across powerfully some very important things about freedom, creativity and the evil of enforced collectivism.  All good stuff.  When she tried to systematize it, she lost me.  I found the polemical stuff unconvincing, like the bad parts of Atlas, without the good stuff.  Other people do a better job on the plane of social science and history.  As to philosophy, to the extent I looked at hers, I did not find it engaging.  Others can discuss its merits.  It had no interest for me or impact on me.  I also found I did not much care for the Randians I met &#8212; I use the word in the sense indicated above, to mean an appearance of cultlike and fanatical devotion &#8212; Sorry, I see something, and I report it how I see it &#8212; and her fan base probably did as much to undercut her message as they did to promote it.  In particular,she and they retarded the development of a politically effective libertarianism by believing themselves to be above and beyond politics.  That is a serious and destructive error. </p>
<p>Few people could have written an ideological atom bomb like Atlas, which for all its defects, is a force for good and can be a positive life-changer for people.  That is enough of an achievement for anybody, without pretending to be the greatest mind since Aristotle.</p>
<p>There are lots of other writers who fill in lots of other things worth knowing.  </p>
<p>Anywyay, no doubt the foregoing may arouse some ire.  But I am done with this thread.  </p>
<p>I like the many suggestions for a &#8220;fantasy cast&#8221; for Atlas.</p>
<p>I like Diane Lane for Dagny.  Not what Dagny looked like in the book, and a little old for the role, but she could do it.</p>
<p>Christian Bale could be John Galt.   </p>
<p>Johnny Depp as Francisco is intriguing.  He could do it, actually.  He is really a brilliant actor.  If he put himself into the role, he&#8217;d be great.  </p>
<p>I do hope they make the movie.  It will disappoint the book&#8217;s ardent fans, but done well, it could have a positive impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter McCormick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter McCormick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;People have complex motives for the belief systems they throw themselves into. One of the things I’ve gleaned about Rand herself, from the writings of people who knew her, was that she evidently felt entitled to grill other people on their belief systems and then pass judgment on them. Not attractive.&quot;

I think Lexington Green is more than capable of answering my question.  It was intended and asked in a purely friendly and reasonable manner.  The lady doth protest too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People have complex motives for the belief systems they throw themselves into. One of the things I’ve gleaned about Rand herself, from the writings of people who knew her, was that she evidently felt entitled to grill other people on their belief systems and then pass judgment on them. Not attractive.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think Lexington Green is more than capable of answering my question.  It was intended and asked in a purely friendly and reasonable manner.  The lady doth protest too much.</p>
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		<title>By: debi</title>
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		<dc:creator>debi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one suggestion.  For John Galt.  That guy from Burn Notice, who plays Michael. I have no idea what his name is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one suggestion.  For John Galt.  That guy from Burn Notice, who plays Michael. I have no idea what his name is.</p>
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		<title>By: cababa</title>
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		<dc:creator>cababa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Cate Blanchett as Dagny, and as Roarke and Galt too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Cate Blanchett as Dagny, and as Roarke and Galt too</p>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dagny = Diane Lane.

Perfect casting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dagny = Diane Lane.</p>
<p>Perfect casting!</p>
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		<title>By: Flight-ER-Doc</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/7687.html/comment-page-2#comment-324131</link>
		<dc:creator>Flight-ER-Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megan Fox?  I doubt she could say the necessary words...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan Fox?  I doubt she could say the necessary words&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Laura(southernxyl)</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/7687.html/comment-page-2#comment-324130</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura(southernxyl)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wonder why you neither practice nor believe in Objectivism, despite the fact that you obviously have some respect for it on some level? What is it about Objectivism that you believe is untrue? Just curious.&quot;

Wow.

Try substituting other words for &quot;Objectivism&quot; here.

I wonder why you neither practice nor believe in Christianity, despite the fact that you obviously have some respect for it on some level.

I wonder why you neither practice nor believe in vegetarianism, despite the fact that you obviously have some respect for it on some level.

I wonder why you neither practice nor believe in anarchy, despite the fact that you obviously have some respect for it on some level.  

People have complex motives for the belief systems they throw themselves into.  One of the things I&#039;ve gleaned about Rand herself, from the writings of people who knew her, was that she evidently felt entitled to grill other people on their belief systems and then pass judgment on them.  Not attractive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wonder why you neither practice nor believe in Objectivism, despite the fact that you obviously have some respect for it on some level? What is it about Objectivism that you believe is untrue? Just curious.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p>Try substituting other words for &#8220;Objectivism&#8221; here.</p>
<p>I wonder why you neither practice nor believe in Christianity, despite the fact that you obviously have some respect for it on some level.</p>
<p>I wonder why you neither practice nor believe in vegetarianism, despite the fact that you obviously have some respect for it on some level.</p>
<p>I wonder why you neither practice nor believe in anarchy, despite the fact that you obviously have some respect for it on some level.  </p>
<p>People have complex motives for the belief systems they throw themselves into.  One of the things I&#8217;ve gleaned about Rand herself, from the writings of people who knew her, was that she evidently felt entitled to grill other people on their belief systems and then pass judgment on them.  Not attractive.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter McCormick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter McCormick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lexington Green wrote:  &quot;It is a philosophy which I neither practice nor believe in, though I suppose it is theoretically possible to do so with out being a Randian.&quot;

I wonder why you neither practice nor believe in Objectivism, despite the fact that you obviously have some respect for it on some level?  What is it about Objectivism that you believe is untrue?  Just curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lexington Green wrote:  &#8220;It is a philosophy which I neither practice nor believe in, though I suppose it is theoretically possible to do so with out being a Randian.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder why you neither practice nor believe in Objectivism, despite the fact that you obviously have some respect for it on some level?  What is it about Objectivism that you believe is untrue?  Just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter McCormick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter McCormick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Wood as James Taggart.

Peewee Herman as Wesley Mouch.

Kevin Spacey as Simon Pritchett

Alan Alda as Mr. Thompson

Dustin Hoffman as Bertram Scudder

Meryl Streep as Lillian Rearden

John Goodman as Orren Boyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Wood as James Taggart.</p>
<p>Peewee Herman as Wesley Mouch.</p>
<p>Kevin Spacey as Simon Pritchett</p>
<p>Alan Alda as Mr. Thompson</p>
<p>Dustin Hoffman as Bertram Scudder</p>
<p>Meryl Streep as Lillian Rearden</p>
<p>John Goodman as Orren Boyle</p>
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		<title>By: Godot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Godot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megan Fox as Dagney, if you want young people to go see it.
And lots of older men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan Fox as Dagney, if you want young people to go see it.<br />
And lots of older men.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura(southernxyl)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura(southernxyl)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The director must resist temptation to cut details, change story, etc. Go against the grain and make a 14-hour epic, that’s released on on-demand only.&quot;

You think 14 hours would be enough?

Heck, Galt&#039;s speech alone ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The director must resist temptation to cut details, change story, etc. Go against the grain and make a 14-hour epic, that’s released on on-demand only.&#8221;</p>
<p>You think 14 hours would be enough?</p>
<p>Heck, Galt&#8217;s speech alone &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: arthur williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>arthur williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comment that you benefitted from Ayn Rand&#039;s writings is encouraging.  However, the last part of your comment--that you did not become a &quot;Randian&quot;--suggests that you think she founded some sort of cult, which is anything but true.  Objectivists stress again and again that any positive influence which Ayn Rand has on anyone is good.  They encourage rational, individualist thought.  There is nothing dogmatic about the philosophy. Of course, no real Objectivist swallows any sort of altruist/collectivist emotionalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comment that you benefitted from Ayn Rand&#8217;s writings is encouraging.  However, the last part of your comment&#8211;that you did not become a &#8220;Randian&#8221;&#8211;suggests that you think she founded some sort of cult, which is anything but true.  Objectivists stress again and again that any positive influence which Ayn Rand has on anyone is good.  They encourage rational, individualist thought.  There is nothing dogmatic about the philosophy. Of course, no real Objectivist swallows any sort of altruist/collectivist emotionalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Meerkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent Meerkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To cast the major characters should not be all that difficult. What&#039;s required is tall, good-looking, manly-men; actresses that can pull off various scenes from good 1960s dramas... but mostly: a director who possesses a singular excellence and ability to capture Atlas Shrugged for the screen. The director must resist temptation to cut details, change story, etc. Go against the grain and make a 14-hour epic, that&#039;s released on on-demand only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To cast the major characters should not be all that difficult. What&#8217;s required is tall, good-looking, manly-men; actresses that can pull off various scenes from good 1960s dramas&#8230; but mostly: a director who possesses a singular excellence and ability to capture Atlas Shrugged for the screen. The director must resist temptation to cut details, change story, etc. Go against the grain and make a 14-hour epic, that&#8217;s released on on-demand only.</p>
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		<title>By: doug l</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the cast from &quot;Lancelot Link&quot; is in need of work and let&#039;s face it, a little bit of humor goes a lot farther than just more hollywood stereotyping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the cast from &#8220;Lancelot Link&#8221; is in need of work and let&#8217;s face it, a little bit of humor goes a lot farther than just more hollywood stereotyping.</p>
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		<title>By: Wacky Hermit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wacky Hermit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vote for William H. Macy as Hank Rearden.  He does that persistence-despite-being-world-weary thing so well.
Dagny Taggart: Jill Hennessey or Morena Baccarin.
Rearden&#039;s effete, useless adult son: Hank Azaria
Ragnar Danneskjold: Nathan Fillion (I second Snodghag)
And I also second Christian Bale as John Galt.  He&#039;s already played Jesus, so he has the necessary experience. [ducks]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote for William H. Macy as Hank Rearden.  He does that persistence-despite-being-world-weary thing so well.<br />
Dagny Taggart: Jill Hennessey or Morena Baccarin.<br />
Rearden&#8217;s effete, useless adult son: Hank Azaria<br />
Ragnar Danneskjold: Nathan Fillion (I second Snodghag)<br />
And I also second Christian Bale as John Galt.  He&#8217;s already played Jesus, so he has the necessary experience. [ducks]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dagny - Cate Blanchett - surprised no one has mentioned her, she&#039;s exactly what I pictured
Francisco - Johnny Depp
John Galt - Christian Bale 
Rearden - Kiefer Sutherland</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dagny &#8211; Cate Blanchett &#8211; surprised no one has mentioned her, she&#8217;s exactly what I pictured<br />
Francisco &#8211; Johnny Depp<br />
John Galt &#8211; Christian Bale<br />
Rearden &#8211; Kiefer Sutherland</p>
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		<title>By: kk</title>
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		<dc:creator>kk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dagny: Jessica Steen who played the doctor in Earth 2

First time I read the book I pictured her as Dagny. I didn&#039;t even know her name, had to look it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dagny: Jessica Steen who played the doctor in Earth 2</p>
<p>First time I read the book I pictured her as Dagny. I didn&#8217;t even know her name, had to look it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatyana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatyana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*swerve*, not ^verve*, sorry.</description>
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		<title>By: Tatyana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatyana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,
&lt;i&gt;I have to disagree with you, Tatyana. Rand’s purpose in writing her fiction was not didactic or polemical.&lt;/i&gt;
It wasn&#039;t me who used these words in this conversation. You should readdress your disagreement.

As to Rand being in the ranks of Hugo and Rostand...I&#039;m glad you think so. I wouldn&#039;t say that. It&#039;s one thing for a writer to aspire to grand examples and another - to achieve that goal. I&#039;m sure some of the writers of 30s and 50s would list many of the Great Realists of the 19th cent as their patron saints (those same saints have their own, earlier), and some would go as far back as Homer and Japanese court poetry. But what appeared at the tip of their own pen had marks and signs of their own time. This is not only normal, not only something to expect - it&#039;s something to look forward to, if a reader wants to get a taste of times past. Literature is organic process, not a fossil. 
Personally, I enjoy Rand&#039;s writing style. It talks to me through form as well as content, it&#039;s a synthetic experience. But many people&#039;s find her difficult to digest as a writer -she requires concentration and certain type of temperament to click. She doesn&#039;t entertain, she has no mercy, she&#039;s not sentimental. 

Well, look at the time. Sorry to verve way off the topic of this post. Gotta go now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,<br />
<i>I have to disagree with you, Tatyana. Rand’s purpose in writing her fiction was not didactic or polemical.</i><br />
It wasn&#8217;t me who used these words in this conversation. You should readdress your disagreement.</p>
<p>As to Rand being in the ranks of Hugo and Rostand&#8230;I&#8217;m glad you think so. I wouldn&#8217;t say that. It&#8217;s one thing for a writer to aspire to grand examples and another &#8211; to achieve that goal. I&#8217;m sure some of the writers of 30s and 50s would list many of the Great Realists of the 19th cent as their patron saints (those same saints have their own, earlier), and some would go as far back as Homer and Japanese court poetry. But what appeared at the tip of their own pen had marks and signs of their own time. This is not only normal, not only something to expect &#8211; it&#8217;s something to look forward to, if a reader wants to get a taste of times past. Literature is organic process, not a fossil.<br />
Personally, I enjoy Rand&#8217;s writing style. It talks to me through form as well as content, it&#8217;s a synthetic experience. But many people&#8217;s find her difficult to digest as a writer -she requires concentration and certain type of temperament to click. She doesn&#8217;t entertain, she has no mercy, she&#8217;s not sentimental. </p>
<p>Well, look at the time. Sorry to verve way off the topic of this post. Gotta go now.</p>
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