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	<title>Comments on: Michael Jackson&#8217;s Death: A Media-Driven National Disaster</title>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/7696.html/comment-page-1#comment-324174</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes - when Elvis died it was a big deal.  It was a less melodramatic but a big deal when Sinatra died.  Of course, the mourners were different.  But big chunks of time on television, radio, etc. went to salutes, old concerts, old friends&#039; commenting, etc. 
 
One of the more popular of my husband&#039;s c&amp;w songs (there&#039;s nothing like songwriter&#039;s night for diversity) is his plaintive request to know if Diana and Elvis are dating in heaven.  But his cynicism aside, the whole Diana thing was similar &amp; may demonstrate its universality - well, I hope it isn&#039;t just English-speaking cultures that are so silly.  We can contemplate Poe&#039;s belief that nothing is more poignant than the death of a beautiful young woman - perhaps it is a sign of our times that the mourning is of a 50-year-old - what - bixsexual?  Even the most favorable interpretations of him were that he was a boy at 50. And who will be sued seems the next topic.  Welcome to the 21st century - in which we&#039;ve retained all the disproportionality of the 20th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211; when Elvis died it was a big deal.  It was a less melodramatic but a big deal when Sinatra died.  Of course, the mourners were different.  But big chunks of time on television, radio, etc. went to salutes, old concerts, old friends&#8217; commenting, etc. </p>
<p>One of the more popular of my husband&#8217;s c&amp;w songs (there&#8217;s nothing like songwriter&#8217;s night for diversity) is his plaintive request to know if Diana and Elvis are dating in heaven.  But his cynicism aside, the whole Diana thing was similar &amp; may demonstrate its universality &#8211; well, I hope it isn&#8217;t just English-speaking cultures that are so silly.  We can contemplate Poe&#8217;s belief that nothing is more poignant than the death of a beautiful young woman &#8211; perhaps it is a sign of our times that the mourning is of a 50-year-old &#8211; what &#8211; bixsexual?  Even the most favorable interpretations of him were that he was a boy at 50. And who will be sued seems the next topic.  Welcome to the 21st century &#8211; in which we&#8217;ve retained all the disproportionality of the 20th.</p>
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		<title>By: onparkstreet</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodness! Jonathan! 

*I cancelled my cable and have been basically reading the papers on line, NPR, blogs, so that this has all passed me by. I did notice two young boys, well young teens, blasting Michael Jackson outside of my library. They were sitting, in a kind of curious way, on a curb, and would look up from time to time to see if anyone was paying attention. They looked like they wanted attention.

As I said at Althouse, this reminds me of Princess Diana (and, remember Mother Theresa died at the same time and the same conversations were had - the hysteria of the moment and the public. I think it relates to the fact that music, and some public figures, become entwined with our very own personal emotional lives. So, a Michael Jackson song isn&#039;t just a MJ song, it&#039;s the first time you learned to dance with a boy, or your first junior high dance, or something like that. I dunno. It&#039;s a theory, anyway). 

Did Elvis get this kind of attention?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodness! Jonathan! </p>
<p>*I cancelled my cable and have been basically reading the papers on line, NPR, blogs, so that this has all passed me by. I did notice two young boys, well young teens, blasting Michael Jackson outside of my library. They were sitting, in a kind of curious way, on a curb, and would look up from time to time to see if anyone was paying attention. They looked like they wanted attention.</p>
<p>As I said at Althouse, this reminds me of Princess Diana (and, remember Mother Theresa died at the same time and the same conversations were had &#8211; the hysteria of the moment and the public. I think it relates to the fact that music, and some public figures, become entwined with our very own personal emotional lives. So, a Michael Jackson song isn&#8217;t just a MJ song, it&#8217;s the first time you learned to dance with a boy, or your first junior high dance, or something like that. I dunno. It&#8217;s a theory, anyway). </p>
<p>Did Elvis get this kind of attention?</p>
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		<title>By: Tatyana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatyana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.architechweb.com/News/emATWeeklyem/ArticleDetails/tabid/171/ArticleID/6501/Default.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it&#039;s going&lt;/a&gt; to affect building owners (more money out of their pockets), -&gt; it&#039;ll affect contractors, -&gt; it&#039;ll affect suppliers (you).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan: <a href="http://www.architechweb.com/News/emATWeeklyem/ArticleDetails/tabid/171/ArticleID/6501/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">it&#8217;s going</a> to affect building owners (more money out of their pockets), -&gt; it&#8217;ll affect contractors, -&gt; it&#8217;ll affect suppliers (you).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan from Madison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan from Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, I liked Billy Mays.  Tatyana - no info for you on that particular HVAC topic from me unfornately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I liked Billy Mays.  Tatyana &#8211; no info for you on that particular HVAC topic from me unfornately.</p>
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		<title>By: ArtD0dger</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArtD0dger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if to underscore your point, they already have an new dead &quot;celebrity.&quot;  The current top story at both the CNN and FOX sites is &quot;Billy Mays, OxiClean pitchman, found dead.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if to underscore your point, they already have an new dead &#8220;celebrity.&#8221;  The current top story at both the CNN and FOX sites is &#8220;Billy Mays, OxiClean pitchman, found dead.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely said Jonathan, but no less depressing.  Meanwhile, in this bread &amp; circus world, our legislators vote on a bill they admit they haven&#039;t read - that, indeed, may not be real.  How did we get here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely said Jonathan, but no less depressing.  Meanwhile, in this bread &amp; circus world, our legislators vote on a bill they admit they haven&#8217;t read &#8211; that, indeed, may not be real.  How did we get here?</p>
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		<title>By: Lexington Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lexington Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a case where the public seems to have gotten the news it wanted.  

People seem to like these celebrity death mass-catharsis episodes.

Too bad, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a case where the public seems to have gotten the news it wanted.  </p>
<p>People seem to like these celebrity death mass-catharsis episodes.</p>
<p>Too bad, really.</p>
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		<title>By: GRAVEHOLE</title>
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		<dc:creator>GRAVEHOLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REALLY I DON&#039;T CARE ! JACKSON&#039;S ALL ARE SCUM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REALLY I DON&#8217;T CARE ! JACKSON&#8217;S ALL ARE SCUM</p>
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		<title>By: GRAVEHOLE</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/7696.html/comment-page-1#comment-324149</link>
		<dc:creator>GRAVEHOLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FBTYHTNH</description>
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		<title>By: TMLutas</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a crying need for the automation of serious news delivery. If you build up business intelligence reports so that all voters can see how much a bill will cost the country and themselves personally and they get automatic reports either by amount trigger (I want to know about expensive bills) or periodically (give me a report every three days), it no longer matters that the talking heads are obsessing about the celebrity death of the day. The public is informed anyway and I suspect the public would become much more involved. 

This sort of news process would, I believe, end up being cheaper to run, provide better information, and be a sustainable business model going forward. Why nobody funds this is beyond me. I can&#039;t be the only guy who&#039;s spotted this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a crying need for the automation of serious news delivery. If you build up business intelligence reports so that all voters can see how much a bill will cost the country and themselves personally and they get automatic reports either by amount trigger (I want to know about expensive bills) or periodically (give me a report every three days), it no longer matters that the talking heads are obsessing about the celebrity death of the day. The public is informed anyway and I suspect the public would become much more involved. </p>
<p>This sort of news process would, I believe, end up being cheaper to run, provide better information, and be a sustainable business model going forward. Why nobody funds this is beyond me. I can&#8217;t be the only guy who&#8217;s spotted this.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Extreme irresponsibility on the part of the media, indeed. Some of this is probably due to the fact that many media people are themselves very trivial people, who are more comfortable talking about Michael Jackson than about something like energy policy.

But the most important question is: why is their such a large audience for this kind of thing? Your post reminded me of something said by Sebastian Haffner in his book about growing up in Germany during WWI and beween the wars. He is talking here about a brief interval during the 1920s when the German political and economic situation had briefly stabilized:

&quot;A generation of young Germans had become accustomed to having the entire content of their lives delivered gratis, so to speak, by the public sphere, all the raw material for their deeper emotions...Now that these deliveries suddenly ceased, people were left helpless, impoverished, robbed, and disappointed. They had never learned how to live from within themselves, how to make an ordinary private life great, beautiful and worth while, how to enjoy it and make it interesting. So they regarded the end of political tension and the return of private liberty not as a gift, but as a deprivation. They were bored, their minds strayed to silly thoughts, and they began to sulk.&quot;

Do we have a large number of people who have become accustomed to having their emotional lives delivered &quot;gratis, by the public sphere?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extreme irresponsibility on the part of the media, indeed. Some of this is probably due to the fact that many media people are themselves very trivial people, who are more comfortable talking about Michael Jackson than about something like energy policy.</p>
<p>But the most important question is: why is their such a large audience for this kind of thing? Your post reminded me of something said by Sebastian Haffner in his book about growing up in Germany during WWI and beween the wars. He is talking here about a brief interval during the 1920s when the German political and economic situation had briefly stabilized:</p>
<p>&#8220;A generation of young Germans had become accustomed to having the entire content of their lives delivered gratis, so to speak, by the public sphere, all the raw material for their deeper emotions&#8230;Now that these deliveries suddenly ceased, people were left helpless, impoverished, robbed, and disappointed. They had never learned how to live from within themselves, how to make an ordinary private life great, beautiful and worth while, how to enjoy it and make it interesting. So they regarded the end of political tension and the return of private liberty not as a gift, but as a deprivation. They were bored, their minds strayed to silly thoughts, and they began to sulk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do we have a large number of people who have become accustomed to having their emotional lives delivered &#8220;gratis, by the public sphere?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tatyana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatyana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, it&#039;s the first time I see you angry [justifiably, of course]. 
How&#039;s this to lighten the mood a bit:
for all the craziness with Jackson death coverage and keeping mum about carbon tax bill ...cui bono? They killed &lt;strike&gt;Kenny&lt;/strike&gt; MJ! To confuse the House reps - that&#039;s right; it&#039;s so plain and transparent it just might be true!

OK, seriously now - what really angers me is those 8 Repubs; if they voted &quot;no&quot; the bill wouldn&#039;t have passed.

Dan: tangentially OT (speaking of carbon and &quot;green&quot; credits)
Have you heard of &quot;commissioning&quot; in HVAC&amp;R? I&#039;m reading LEED guide for commercial inteiors - and it sounds such a sham; insertion of a third intrusive party between designing engineer and a contractor to monitor both  - not a cheap party, too, I&#039;d guess. Nothing like this in all other consultants - not in electric, IT, plumbing, civil, etc. What&#039;s up with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, it&#8217;s the first time I see you angry [justifiably, of course].<br />
How&#8217;s this to lighten the mood a bit:<br />
for all the craziness with Jackson death coverage and keeping mum about carbon tax bill &#8230;cui bono? They killed <strike>Kenny</strike> MJ! To confuse the House reps &#8211; that&#8217;s right; it&#8217;s so plain and transparent it just might be true!</p>
<p>OK, seriously now &#8211; what really angers me is those 8 Repubs; if they voted &#8220;no&#8221; the bill wouldn&#8217;t have passed.</p>
<p>Dan: tangentially OT (speaking of carbon and &#8220;green&#8221; credits)<br />
Have you heard of &#8220;commissioning&#8221; in HVAC&amp;R? I&#8217;m reading LEED guide for commercial inteiors &#8211; and it sounds such a sham; insertion of a third intrusive party between designing engineer and a contractor to monitor both  &#8211; not a cheap party, too, I&#8217;d guess. Nothing like this in all other consultants &#8211; not in electric, IT, plumbing, civil, etc. What&#8217;s up with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan from Madison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan from Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, if that cap and trade bill gets through the Senate and is signed by The One, it will be absolutely devastating to consumers and manufacturers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, if that cap and trade bill gets through the Senate and is signed by The One, it will be absolutely devastating to consumers and manufacturers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan from Madison</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Jonathan.

I am very happy that I don&#039;t watch too much TV besides sports things, the weather channel, and the occasional cooking show.

Satellite radio (I have XM) has really helped me a lot getting news.  I listen to a lot of Bloomberg radio and they for the most part pretty much ignored the Jackson death, other to say that he died $400M in the hole.  The conversations there are intelligent and respectful.  

Other news stations on XM also kept reporting news, with a small mention of the Jackson death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Jonathan.</p>
<p>I am very happy that I don&#8217;t watch too much TV besides sports things, the weather channel, and the occasional cooking show.</p>
<p>Satellite radio (I have XM) has really helped me a lot getting news.  I listen to a lot of Bloomberg radio and they for the most part pretty much ignored the Jackson death, other to say that he died $400M in the hole.  The conversations there are intelligent and respectful.  </p>
<p>Other news stations on XM also kept reporting news, with a small mention of the Jackson death.</p>
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		<title>By: morgan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on Jonathon, right on!!</description>
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