So maybe the GOP should be off-limits as well for those against big government.

It’s been noted. Bush’s “compassionate conservative” certainly deviated from the small government ideal. On the other hand, if you back away from ideals and look at real-world practicalities you have a choice between Republicans who increase the scope of government while paying lip service to the idea of small government versus the Democrats who never met an expansion of government power they didn’t like. Basically, its a sad choice between bad and worse.

I do think that the Republicans more mature and practical approach to governance makes them a lot less likely to support an fad like carbon restrictions.

But if big government is your objection, isn’t it interesting that it wasn’t the Obama/Reid/Pelosi Democrats that were inflating the size of government in unprecedented ways in 2001-2008? So maybe the GOP should be off-limits as well for those against big government.

You seem to be under the impression that “they” believe they will be impacted by these laws in any meaningful way because they are more than comfortable with planning every detail of other peoples lives.

Bullsh*t. There is altogether too much collegiality in the US Congress. It would be better more like the British Parliamentary free for all, or, as one of the signator callers on the Powerline podcast says “There should be fist fights on the floor of Congress”.

For the statist mind, whatever is intended by government’s actions is a noble goal, and that goal is reached when the appropriately intended legislation is passed, even if that legislation is literally unfinished by its sponsors, and unread or understood by those voting for it.

This bill is alleged to control greenhouse gasses and help prevent global warming. Nothing else matters, not even whether or not it will actually accomplish anything it is claimed it will do.

To vote for it is to be noble, and concerned with all the correct concerns of those who are properly in tune with all the latest necessary concerns. (Pardon me for borrowing the current concerned administration’s favorite word.)

Similar to a century of farm programs, which have funded the utter destruction of family farming, or several decades of poverty programs which have decimated not only the families they were supposed to aid, but also the neighborhoods, cities, and states the recipients lived in, or the endless mandates which were to make the auto industry’s products safer and cleaner and altogether better, but have instead reduced one of the most powerful manufacturing sectors in world history to bankruptcy, any citizen witnessing this definitively statist action can rest assured that three things will be true regarding this legislation:

1) actual reductions in evil gasses will be negligible or non-existent;

2) the actual costs for the implementation of these rules will be several orders of magnitude higher than even the most pessimistic estimates;

3) when the glaring failures of the program can no longer be ignored or covered up, the proposed remedies will never, ever, question the premises upon which the legislation is based, but will blame the failures on the lack of powers and funding and staffing in the original bill, and propose the need for more of those elements in any revised legislation.

This is the Smoot-Hawley of the coming major world depression. If anyone is interested, the climax will be similar to the last big one also, only the cast of characters will change.

History hasn’t ended after all, apparently. We live in interesting times.

It was the perfect time, because of the media blackout on everything that was not related to Michael Jackson.

I think that would be a “coulroarchy”.

You too! Neener neener neener!

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I don’t think the Republicans ever came up with the idea of implementing a hybrid between old Roman Empire-style tax farming and the ancien regime royal patent system, with a dash of pre-Counter-Reformation indulgances thrown in.

The Democrats, just passed it in the house.

And their defenders are too stupid to realize that these legal systems have been tried before, and generally, for the most part, made people poor and/or kept them that way.