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		<title>By: dearieme</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/9350.html/comment-page-1#comment-327952</link>
		<dc:creator>dearieme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Top post!  On the first born: I read somewhere that the figures are dominated by only children; if you reclassify them as &quot;last born&quot;, everything changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Top post!  On the first born: I read somewhere that the figures are dominated by only children; if you reclassify them as &#8220;last born&#8221;, everything changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Manifold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 02:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read (indeed, having alluded to above) the negative reviews on Amazon, I&#039;m not surprised.  Sulloway&#039;s thesis has explanatory power but not as much as he wishes it had, a point that balanced reviews tend to note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read (indeed, having alluded to above) the negative reviews on Amazon, I&#8217;m not surprised.  Sulloway&#8217;s thesis has explanatory power but not as much as he wishes it had, a point that balanced reviews tend to note.</p>
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		<title>By: bgc</title>
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		<dc:creator>bgc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 06:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wrt Frank Sulloway and Born to Rebel see this:

http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2004/03/born_to_sue.html

When an argument is coercively-enforced by the legal system (or indeed by any form of coercion: political, managerial, media or mob), it is not science. 

Indeed, in such a sitation science is impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wrt Frank Sulloway and Born to Rebel see this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2004/03/born_to_sue.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2004/03/born_to_sue.html</a></p>
<p>When an argument is coercively-enforced by the legal system (or indeed by any form of coercion: political, managerial, media or mob), it is not science. </p>
<p>Indeed, in such a sitation science is impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett_McS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett_McS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeh, those old guys knew a thing or two!

As Lewis notes himself, That Hideous Strength is a fictionalized version of the essay The Abolition of Man, which is also on line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeh, those old guys knew a thing or two!</p>
<p>As Lewis notes himself, That Hideous Strength is a fictionalized version of the essay The Abolition of Man, which is also on line.</p>
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		<title>By: pst314</title>
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		<dc:creator>pst314</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Haldane accuses Lewis of being anti-democracy&quot;

Ironic that a Stalinist could make such an accusation. And instructive that Haldane&#039;s reputation among liberals has not suffered because of his advocacy for evil.

Thank you very much for a fascinating post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Haldane accuses Lewis of being anti-democracy&#8221;</p>
<p>Ironic that a Stalinist could make such an accusation. And instructive that Haldane&#8217;s reputation among liberals has not suffered because of his advocacy for evil.</p>
<p>Thank you very much for a fascinating post.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay..thanks. Note that with smaller families, there has to be a higher % of first-borns in the overall population mix.

In his study of decision-making, Prof Dietrich Doerner ran a simulation of the job of fire chier (for fighting forest fires.) He found that subjects who applied rigid, context-insensitive rules...such as &quot;always keep the units widely deployed&quot; or &quot;always keep the units concentrated&quot;...tended to fail at the game. 

In another experiment, dealing with a simulated clothing factory, the unsuccessful &quot;factory managers&quot; tended to use unqualified expressions: constantly, every time, without exception, absolutely, etc...while the successful ones tended toward qualified expressions: now and then, in general, specifically, perhaps,...

My review of Doerner&#039;s book is &lt;a href=&quot;http://photonplaza.blogspot.com/2003_12_28_photonplaza_archive.html#107275628844222087&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay..thanks. Note that with smaller families, there has to be a higher % of first-borns in the overall population mix.</p>
<p>In his study of decision-making, Prof Dietrich Doerner ran a simulation of the job of fire chier (for fighting forest fires.) He found that subjects who applied rigid, context-insensitive rules&#8230;such as &#8220;always keep the units widely deployed&#8221; or &#8220;always keep the units concentrated&#8221;&#8230;tended to fail at the game. </p>
<p>In another experiment, dealing with a simulated clothing factory, the unsuccessful &#8220;factory managers&#8221; tended to use unqualified expressions: constantly, every time, without exception, absolutely, etc&#8230;while the successful ones tended toward qualified expressions: now and then, in general, specifically, perhaps,&#8230;</p>
<p>My review of Doerner&#8217;s book is <a href="http://photonplaza.blogspot.com/2003_12_28_photonplaza_archive.html#107275628844222087" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Manifold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - In general, see Frank Sulloway&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Born-Rebel-Family-Dynamics-Creative/dp/0679758763&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Born to Rebel&lt;/a&gt;, but note the telltale distribution of reviews on Amazon.  It would be interesting to graph the birth order of the reviewers.  ;^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; In general, see Frank Sulloway&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Born-Rebel-Family-Dynamics-Creative/dp/0679758763" rel="nofollow">Born to Rebel</a>, but note the telltale distribution of reviews on Amazon.  It would be interesting to graph the birth order of the reviewers.  ;^)</p>
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		<title>By: alanstorm</title>
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		<dc:creator>alanstorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am a democrat because I believe that no man or group of
men is good enough to be trusted with uncontrolled power over
others.&quot;

&quot;Being a democrat, I am opposed to all very drastic and
sudden changes of society (in whatever direction)...&quot;

The definition of &quot;democrat&quot; has flipped 180 degrees in 60 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am a democrat because I believe that no man or group of<br />
men is good enough to be trusted with uncontrolled power over<br />
others.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Being a democrat, I am opposed to all very drastic and<br />
sudden changes of society (in whatever direction)&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The definition of &#8220;democrat&#8221; has flipped 180 degrees in 60 years.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JayM...&quot;Later-borns are famously more accepting of probabilistic worldviews.&quot; That is really interesting. Is there research on this available?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JayM&#8230;&#8221;Later-borns are famously more accepting of probabilistic worldviews.&#8221; That is really interesting. Is there research on this available?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Manifold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That Hideous Strength,&quot; notwithstanding its Charles Williams-influenced bits, which are much better in concept than execution, remains my favorite Lewis book.

I especially note, in the passages quoted above: &quot;A political programme can never in reality be more than probably right.&quot;  Lewis was a second-born, three years younger than his brother.  Later-borns are famously more accepting of probabilistic worldviews.  Haldane was a firstborn who clung to Communism long after the democides in the Soviet Union became public knowledge in the West.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That Hideous Strength,&#8221; notwithstanding its Charles Williams-influenced bits, which are much better in concept than execution, remains my favorite Lewis book.</p>
<p>I especially note, in the passages quoted above: &#8220;A political programme can never in reality be more than probably right.&#8221;  Lewis was a second-born, three years younger than his brother.  Later-borns are famously more accepting of probabilistic worldviews.  Haldane was a firstborn who clung to Communism long after the democides in the Soviet Union became public knowledge in the West.</p>
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		<title>By: renminbi</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that Lewis continues to hold up very well, while more &quot;relevent&quot; books become quickly dated.Thanks for the posting.
    By the way, I am agnostic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that Lewis continues to hold up very well, while more &#8220;relevent&#8221; books become quickly dated.Thanks for the posting.<br />
    By the way, I am agnostic.</p>
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