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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with onparkstreet and don&#039;t want to imply I know what strategy works.  Like him, I have some confidence that Obama should value his expert&#039;s opinion more than Biden&#039;s.  More to the point, the idea that we should abdicate the role that our power has traditionally given us is to ignore the basic laws of human nature, diplomacy.  It&#039;s long been my feeling that those of Obama&#039;s persuasion seem unable to conceive of human nature. This lack of imagination (it takes some imagination - human nature is complex, paradoxical, and, in the country/western song&#039;s lyrics, crazy) but not accepting that complexity has led to great devastation in our time.  It looks likely we are on our way to   yet another disaster - and perhaps on our soil.

So in my erratic and unChristian way I end up at Sunday School today (perhaps reading these two late last night would impel some need for prayer).  And our class was working its way through the wisdom literature - just beginning Proverbs.  And here, we see admonitions that arise from an understanding of human nature that hasn&#039;t changed all that much in all that time.  Have we ever thrown out those traditions with such abandon as those of Obama&#039;s persuasion have in the last century?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with onparkstreet and don&#8217;t want to imply I know what strategy works.  Like him, I have some confidence that Obama should value his expert&#8217;s opinion more than Biden&#8217;s.  More to the point, the idea that we should abdicate the role that our power has traditionally given us is to ignore the basic laws of human nature, diplomacy.  It&#8217;s long been my feeling that those of Obama&#8217;s persuasion seem unable to conceive of human nature. This lack of imagination (it takes some imagination &#8211; human nature is complex, paradoxical, and, in the country/western song&#8217;s lyrics, crazy) but not accepting that complexity has led to great devastation in our time.  It looks likely we are on our way to   yet another disaster &#8211; and perhaps on our soil.</p>
<p>So in my erratic and unChristian way I end up at Sunday School today (perhaps reading these two late last night would impel some need for prayer).  And our class was working its way through the wisdom literature &#8211; just beginning Proverbs.  And here, we see admonitions that arise from an understanding of human nature that hasn&#8217;t changed all that much in all that time.  Have we ever thrown out those traditions with such abandon as those of Obama&#8217;s persuasion have in the last century?</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kerry is a Democrat in mold of JFK, LBJ or Truman. They were social democrats but they  believed strongly in America,  American exceptionalism and saw America&#039;s role in the world as defending and extending freedom and self-determination. The other Democrats such as Obama are not within the American tradition and instead trace their ideological descent from European Marxism. 

I find it deeply ironic that when you read leftists&#039; criticism of American foreign policy in period from 1945-1976 the three key players where the Democrats Truman, Kennedy and LBJ. Truman created containment. Kennedy carried out many aggressive anti-communist actions (although he did so ineptly compared to the smooth Eisenhower) and substantially raised defense spending. LBJ followed through. Most of the supposedly sinister covert actions and support for non-communist authoritarians that leftist claim so damn us as a moral authority were carried out under those social democrat presidents. 

Obama will never give a speech about freedom as did Kennedy. His words will never reverberate through the ages. No one will be free and secure because of his policies. Obama will be thought of as another Carter at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerry is a Democrat in mold of JFK, LBJ or Truman. They were social democrats but they  believed strongly in America,  American exceptionalism and saw America&#8217;s role in the world as defending and extending freedom and self-determination. The other Democrats such as Obama are not within the American tradition and instead trace their ideological descent from European Marxism. </p>
<p>I find it deeply ironic that when you read leftists&#8217; criticism of American foreign policy in period from 1945-1976 the three key players where the Democrats Truman, Kennedy and LBJ. Truman created containment. Kennedy carried out many aggressive anti-communist actions (although he did so ineptly compared to the smooth Eisenhower) and substantially raised defense spending. LBJ followed through. Most of the supposedly sinister covert actions and support for non-communist authoritarians that leftist claim so damn us as a moral authority were carried out under those social democrat presidents. </p>
<p>Obama will never give a speech about freedom as did Kennedy. His words will never reverberate through the ages. No one will be free and secure because of his policies. Obama will be thought of as another Carter at best.</p>
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		<title>By: onparkstreet</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, one weakness of our current crop of politicians (well, of many, but whose fault is that?) is that they seem unable to set reasonable goals, define them, and then let the people who need to make them happen JUST DO IT. I am talking about Afghanistan, especially, where I am not sure our President knows what he wants, in clear terms. If his hand-picked general, with the expensive COIN check, isn&#039;t giving him what he wants, then, well, just what does he want? How does he define our goals? How can the men and women in the military  move forward if they don&#039;t know? 

Oh, I dunno. Good post for discussion, Ginny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, one weakness of our current crop of politicians (well, of many, but whose fault is that?) is that they seem unable to set reasonable goals, define them, and then let the people who need to make them happen JUST DO IT. I am talking about Afghanistan, especially, where I am not sure our President knows what he wants, in clear terms. If his hand-picked general, with the expensive COIN check, isn&#8217;t giving him what he wants, then, well, just what does he want? How does he define our goals? How can the men and women in the military  move forward if they don&#8217;t know? </p>
<p>Oh, I dunno. Good post for discussion, Ginny.</p>
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		<title>By: onparkstreet</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea what our Grand Strategy should be in the region, or our strategy, even, but I sure hope the President makes a reasonable choice for AfPak (given the fact that none of the choices are particularly easy), provides the necessary resources requested, and sticks with it a bit. I mean, what else is there to do?

I dunno, this is his first real executive responsibility! Please, please, please get it right, sir!

(I, too, have a love for those great flat plains, although Iowa is never as flat as people think, but the area I grew up in sure was flat, &#039;cornfielded up&#039;, and quiet. Quietly lovely.)

As for what we should be, as a country and as Americans, I sort of like the pushy, messy, driving, striving America! I hope (ha!), I mean, let&#039;s work toward keeping us that way! Out of all the pushy, messy, driving and striving comes so much - Norman Borlaug, jazz, golden era Hollywood films, Nobels in Science and Medicine, McDonalds, Wal-mart and google.....wonderful. Just wonderful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea what our Grand Strategy should be in the region, or our strategy, even, but I sure hope the President makes a reasonable choice for AfPak (given the fact that none of the choices are particularly easy), provides the necessary resources requested, and sticks with it a bit. I mean, what else is there to do?</p>
<p>I dunno, this is his first real executive responsibility! Please, please, please get it right, sir!</p>
<p>(I, too, have a love for those great flat plains, although Iowa is never as flat as people think, but the area I grew up in sure was flat, &#8216;cornfielded up&#8217;, and quiet. Quietly lovely.)</p>
<p>As for what we should be, as a country and as Americans, I sort of like the pushy, messy, driving, striving America! I hope (ha!), I mean, let&#8217;s work toward keeping us that way! Out of all the pushy, messy, driving and striving comes so much &#8211; Norman Borlaug, jazz, golden era Hollywood films, Nobels in Science and Medicine, McDonalds, Wal-mart and google&#8230;..wonderful. Just wonderful.</p>
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		<title>By: James R. Rummel</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Ginny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Ginny.</p>
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