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		<title>By: tehag</title>
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		<dc:creator>tehag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You sit down on a couch in front of a screen to watch degrading and titillating lowest common denominator schlock&quot;

Isn&#039;t this close to the idea that Shirkey repackaged: that people have time to write and produce arts and entertainment for the internet because TV&#039;s day is done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You sit down on a couch in front of a screen to watch degrading and titillating lowest common denominator schlock&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this close to the idea that Shirkey repackaged: that people have time to write and produce arts and entertainment for the internet because TV&#8217;s day is done?</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
		<link>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/9877.html/comment-page-1#comment-328835</link>
		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there is plenty of useful, time-saving stuff that&#039;s available on the web. But there are also a lot of absolutely unnecessary time-wasters that people are subjected to every day. And there are a lot of companies that don&#039;t seem to recognize the importance of valuing the customer&#039;s time.

For example: almost every day, I get some sort of marketing material from Verizon pushing their FIOS (fiber to the home) connection. But I am disinclined to buy any more services from this company, because interactions (human &amp; electronic) with this company (and its MCI subsidiary) have been so unpleasant. Maybe VZ should spend a little less time &amp; money on their direct mail marketing and a little more on fixing their customer service problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there is plenty of useful, time-saving stuff that&#8217;s available on the web. But there are also a lot of absolutely unnecessary time-wasters that people are subjected to every day. And there are a lot of companies that don&#8217;t seem to recognize the importance of valuing the customer&#8217;s time.</p>
<p>For example: almost every day, I get some sort of marketing material from Verizon pushing their FIOS (fiber to the home) connection. But I am disinclined to buy any more services from this company, because interactions (human &amp; electronic) with this company (and its MCI subsidiary) have been so unpleasant. Maybe VZ should spend a little less time &amp; money on their direct mail marketing and a little more on fixing their customer service problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple is a company that has a peculiarly strong relationship with its customers and its strong and growing profits are partially a result of that. Part of the Apple mystique is that people who work inside Apple believe themselves on a technological mission to improve the world. This kind of missionary zeal and dedication to the good of the customer infects almost everyone from the lowest employee up to Steve Jobs. Customers are more likely to have a pleasant experience dealing with Apple because doing right by the customers isn&#039;t just part of the job at Apple its part of the mission. A lot of people come to work for Apple in the first place because they believed in the mission first. 

On the other hand, Apple is in many ways simply reciprocating what its customers give. It&#039;s hard for a Dell or HP to build the same kind relationship when customers will jump brands to save minor amounts of money. Microsoft can&#039;t build loyalty because most people who use Windows do so because they have to not because they have chosen to.    

You have to give loyalty to get loyalty and most consumers aren&#039;t particularly loyal or tolerant of mistakes by most businesses. Both businesses and consumers have a &quot;wants in it for me in the short term&quot; type of thinking that is not conducive to long term reciprocal relationships. I think most businesses try to build such relationship with things like discount cards or preferred customer programs but I don&#039;t think most customers are really interested. 

I think the best that businesses can do is instead of trying to milk every last cent from every interaction to instead try to focus on providing customers what they really need for slight premium. People will pay extra for reliability and predictability in goods and services. I think this is why Apple continues to grow and make money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple is a company that has a peculiarly strong relationship with its customers and its strong and growing profits are partially a result of that. Part of the Apple mystique is that people who work inside Apple believe themselves on a technological mission to improve the world. This kind of missionary zeal and dedication to the good of the customer infects almost everyone from the lowest employee up to Steve Jobs. Customers are more likely to have a pleasant experience dealing with Apple because doing right by the customers isn&#8217;t just part of the job at Apple its part of the mission. A lot of people come to work for Apple in the first place because they believed in the mission first. </p>
<p>On the other hand, Apple is in many ways simply reciprocating what its customers give. It&#8217;s hard for a Dell or HP to build the same kind relationship when customers will jump brands to save minor amounts of money. Microsoft can&#8217;t build loyalty because most people who use Windows do so because they have to not because they have chosen to.    </p>
<p>You have to give loyalty to get loyalty and most consumers aren&#8217;t particularly loyal or tolerant of mistakes by most businesses. Both businesses and consumers have a &#8220;wants in it for me in the short term&#8221; type of thinking that is not conducive to long term reciprocal relationships. I think most businesses try to build such relationship with things like discount cards or preferred customer programs but I don&#8217;t think most customers are really interested. </p>
<p>I think the best that businesses can do is instead of trying to milk every last cent from every interaction to instead try to focus on providing customers what they really need for slight premium. People will pay extra for reliability and predictability in goods and services. I think this is why Apple continues to grow and make money.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl from Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl from Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we are finally starting to get some time saving in with the iphone and web based apps.  It is easy to summon a taxi on your iphone and in Chicago we can finally see exactly when the bus is coming.  Through general information technology and the web you can also mostly avoid going to the government facility to pay property taxes and the like (although you have to go for your drivers license).

Not only is amazon a time saver it enables you to compare a wide variety of products by the &quot;what other bought&quot; feature and online reviews.

one item I think guys like gilder didn&#039;t predict is that the best &quot;content&quot; wouldn&#039;t come from the companies - it comes from users who the companies don&#039;t pay, such as product reviews and specialist sites.  Also the detailed support forums that spring up around almost anything on the web.

also fantasy sports wouldn&#039;t be such a big business if it wasn&#039;t automated online, but that is probably a big net drag on productivity.  I remember when they used to do it by hand.

All the savings seem to be eaten up by an explosion of new content and new TV, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we are finally starting to get some time saving in with the iphone and web based apps.  It is easy to summon a taxi on your iphone and in Chicago we can finally see exactly when the bus is coming.  Through general information technology and the web you can also mostly avoid going to the government facility to pay property taxes and the like (although you have to go for your drivers license).</p>
<p>Not only is amazon a time saver it enables you to compare a wide variety of products by the &#8220;what other bought&#8221; feature and online reviews.</p>
<p>one item I think guys like gilder didn&#8217;t predict is that the best &#8220;content&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t come from the companies &#8211; it comes from users who the companies don&#8217;t pay, such as product reviews and specialist sites.  Also the detailed support forums that spring up around almost anything on the web.</p>
<p>also fantasy sports wouldn&#8217;t be such a big business if it wasn&#8217;t automated online, but that is probably a big net drag on productivity.  I remember when they used to do it by hand.</p>
<p>All the savings seem to be eaten up by an explosion of new content and new TV, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, how did *I* get to be &#039;anonymous&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, how did *I* get to be &#8216;anonymous&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazon, anybody?  It&#039;s hard to imagine a more customer-time-sparing experience than they deliver.    Combine that with Prime shipping, and you&#039;ve got a pretty efficient combo.

And plenty of other places have really enhanced their customer experience via their websites, even if you need to actually buy the stuff in the local store (e.g. oil-based paint that otherwise incur a hazmat shipping fee, or that something that you need this afternoon, not a few days from now.)  Whether it&#039;s an el cheapo place like Harbor Freight Tools, or something higher end like Fisheries Supply, the ability to walk in the door and have a printout with picture and their exact SKU in hand is enormously time-saving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazon, anybody?  It&#8217;s hard to imagine a more customer-time-sparing experience than they deliver.    Combine that with Prime shipping, and you&#8217;ve got a pretty efficient combo.</p>
<p>And plenty of other places have really enhanced their customer experience via their websites, even if you need to actually buy the stuff in the local store (e.g. oil-based paint that otherwise incur a hazmat shipping fee, or that something that you need this afternoon, not a few days from now.)  Whether it&#8217;s an el cheapo place like Harbor Freight Tools, or something higher end like Fisheries Supply, the ability to walk in the door and have a printout with picture and their exact SKU in hand is enormously time-saving.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Futurists always seem to be overly optimistic about how quickly things change. Arthur Clarke thought we&#039;d be on the moon by 2001. On the other hand, the geostationary satellite came pretty quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Futurists always seem to be overly optimistic about how quickly things change. Arthur Clarke thought we&#8217;d be on the moon by 2001. On the other hand, the geostationary satellite came pretty quickly.</p>
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