I have the guilty pleasure of scanning the traditional media and entertainment. It’s not that any of the various personalities I come across have any intelligent thoughts of their own, witness the ramblings of Margaret Brennan, but their utterances provide a glimpse into the larger sociology of the Left.
So it was of interest that I came across former “Daily Show” host Trevor Noah’s “What Now?” podcast where he interviews Princeton University professor Ruha Benjamin. Noah states:
“And that’s a really powerful thing I’ve learned in communicating with other people. When I’m in a room with anyone where we start to tie together multiple things. So, if I’m in a room with Black people, already there’s like an implicit trust because we know what certain actions, words, and vibes mean.”
I find Noah to be a poseur, and of course he has to have a podcast. But he provides us a great service by providing a gathering place, much like a watering hole on the Serengeti, where he and his ideological ilk can gather in a place of perceived safety and can be observed. So Noah extends his remarks and a little later asks Benjamin:
“Do you think that integration was the right move?”
Benjamin replies:
“No, I don’t. And I don’t think it’s actually that controversial….
“…But again, when you’re being integrated into institutions, into a culture, that’s a supremacist culture. That’s a culture that feds off of hierarchy, off of insecurity, anxiety. Why are we being integrated into that?”
Let’s take a step back.
In our history, the symbol for desegregation is the 1954 Supreme Court case Brown v. Board of Education. This involved black parents suing the Board of Education in Topeka in order to overturn the school district’s policy of racial segregation of “separate but equal.”
The Court reached an unanimous decision overturning not only a lower court decision that supported the policy of segregation, but also the landmark 1896 case Plessy v. Ferguson which served as precedent for allowing racial segregation.
Brown was seen both in its time and to this day as a great triumph of the civil rights movement, and helped to propel that movement forward to greater victories in the years to come. However, that case contained a flaw that has ramifications in the present.
In order to understand the Supreme Court of 1954, one needs to understand its chief justice, Earl Warren. Warren was the governor of California in 1953 when he was nominated to the position by Eisenhower, a move the latter called “the biggest damn-fool mistake I ever made.”
Warren had always been a politician, holding various elected offices over the previous three decades. In many of the cases that the Warren Court decided, you can see the influence of Warren the politician: a counting of the votes, an understanding of the political ramifications both domestically and internationally of the cases involved, and a premium placed on political results as opposed to correct judicial process. It is in this light that we need to revisit Brown and the foundations of desegregation in America.
The opinion in Brown, and there was only one, was written by Warren himself and stated two important conclusions. The first was that the Court was unable to find in the Fourteenth Amendment justification for abolishing segregation in public education. However, it did find justification for abolishing it due to the psychological effects segregation caused in black children, a justification that was not based on evidence cited in the main opinion but rather in the footnotes.
So the Court did not find in Brown that racial segregation was a moral wrong, but was wrong only in the effects it caused. In other words, racial segregation was wrong based on contingent, not moral factors.
This distinction is important for two reasons. The first is that it points to how Warren’s political approach to judicial reasoning affected the Court; for Warren, a progressive politician, the ends justified the means. Brown provided Warren and the Court an excellent opportunity to unravel segregation. Warren, understanding the political resistance that it would generate in the South, was willing to stretch reasoning in order to achieve an unanimous decision in order to deny that resistance any purchase. If Warren had to achieve his precious 9-0 decision by resting it on psychological contortions, rather than natural rights and the Constitution, then so be it.
The second is that since racial segregation was wrong in the negative effects that it had on black children, it is conceivable that another case of “separate but equal” could be decided differently if it could be proven to have positive effects.
That second reason is not as far-fetched as it sounds. During the BLM miasma the cultural-Marxist idea of “white supremacy” entered the mainstream vernacular; remember the 2021 California recall election when Larry Elder was called the black face of white supremacy. This is the idea that American institutions are implicitly rigged in favor of maintaining white power, leaving blacks to create their own alternatives.
This is what Benjamin and Noah refer to when they discuss “integration” into a “supremacist culture” and the comfort level blacks (or as Noah pointed out in the podcast, individual members of all ethnic and racial groups) have with one another.
You see the ideological foundations for racially-segregated schools. It is conceivable that a group of black racists could bring a case one day for publicly-funded all-black schools, citing the contingent Brown and beneficial effect of such schools on black children.
Far-fetched? Well it’s not going to happen any time soon given the current retreat of DEI and racial set-asides in general, as well as the current composition of the Court. However, as the first Trump administration showed with its three Supreme Court picks, things can change rapidly, and by 2029 three Republican justices will be 74-years old or older. How would a Court newly restocked by a Democrat with two to three more Ketanji Brown Jacksons rule?
Time to get another case in front of the Court and get this corrected while we still have Alito and Thomas there.
“It is conceivable that a group pf black racists could bring a case one day for publicly-funded all-black schools …”
Don’t some of the Ivy League schools [sic] have racially-segregated dormitories — at the request of certain non-white groups? It certainly seems like a concept that deserves legal scrutiny. If college age males & females (i.e. adults) who are old enough to be conscripted to go & die in the Ukraine believe they will perform better with racially segregated living spaces, then would the same apply to their academic performance at younger ages?
He comes from south africa where they have set about confiscating white farmers land leading to a zimbabwe like famine
You might want an antecedent there, Miguel. Who is ‘he?”
Trevor noah he makes a big deal about apartheid which ended thirty years ago
There was a a lot of chit-chat after the election how podcasts, especially Joe Rogan, were the new heavy hitter on the block when it came to elections.
There’s another angle to podcasts.
In many ways they are the complement to Twitter – whereas Twitter provides short bursts with any “conversation” done asynchronously, podcasts provide a long format with synchronous conversations. On Twitter you can do a drive-by on a topic , but it’s short and you don’t have to elaborate because you’re not sitting across a table from someone. The Joe Rogan, long-format podcast is a three-hour long conversation where you (and not your social media intern) have to stay in there past the cliches and one-liners and Joe’s going to ask follow-ups.
Rogan is probably as close as we are going to get in popular culture to a Socratic dialogue. Well maybe a cross between a dialogue and a police interrogation. Rogan is there, it’s comfortable, he’s going to get you talking and there will be nowhere to hide over 3 hours.
Now the Trevor Noahs of the world and podcasts?
Everyone these days seems to have a podcast. Clearly a media advisor put a bug in Noah’s ear and with a small crew – producer, booking agent, research intern – and some tech off you go. It’s not hard to get started and that low threshold should be a warning sign. It took a little bit of time for people to get the hang of Twitter, it will be the same with podcasts.
The problem with a Trevor Noah podcast is that he is trying for a long version of the Daily Show, 40 minutes to an hour with guests and as a poseur he doesn’t have the horsepower to pull it off with some of them. The Sam Altman one was at best banal. The big problem occurs with a radical nut like Ruha Benjamin Noah falls into a reverse-Rogan in that he’s the one spilling the beans, going places as a supposed. “truth-teller” that he shouldn’t go. His comment that Finland has the best schools because they are all homogeneous and his follow-up comments with Benjamin leaves the listener with the only possible conclusion, that specifically black and white kids cannot learn in the same classroom and that maybe we should all have our own play pens. I thought diversity is our strength. He should be forced to justify that racist comment for the next 10 years
As a wise man once said, a man has got to know his limitations and Noah doesn’t know his.
Note about Noah. He makes a comment that he feels more comfortable around blacks, even Africans. Well that would make sense given he is from Africa (you can tell he is past the 5 minute mark of the interview and is flailing), but ummm…. I don’t think the view is reciprocated.
There are a lot of media personalities going to Substack and podcasts so they can extend their brand. They are going to find that they sound better with a professional editor and less than 5 minutes of air time, see Jen Rubin since she has left the Washington Post. Less is more.
A smart strategy would be someone like Turning Point to have a bunch of interns take the top 200 of these lefties doing brand extensions and start cataloging all the things they say.
Talk radio, as El Rushbo recreated it in the late 80s was (is) also long form, and liberals had a hard time getting that going as well.
What’s that tell you?