Do not fail to read these links describing the use of the police in Wisconsin against individuals who dared offer opposition to the Democratic Party–Big Labor machine:
Glenn Reynolds at USA Today: Wisconsin’s dirty prosecutors pull a Putin
David French at National Review: Wisconsin’s Shame: I thought it was a home invasion
Also David French at NR: The deep state knows how to protect itself
If these reports are true, or anything like true–and I see little reason to doubt it given the conduct of the Democratic Party and its agents and allies over the past decade–then the threat to individual rights and the rule of law in America is even more serious than I thought it was.
A war is coming. A shooting war between the liberal elite and their minions in the machinery of the state on one side, and the rest of America. It is going to be ugly. Obama’s response to the 2014 election — pretend it didn’t happen and double down, shows the way. I don’t want to be right. But, I don’t see any way out.
Robert Schwartz – There is a way out. The elite heavily depend on the people maintaining a certain level of rational ignorance and voluntary yielding of power into their hands. The information revolution has radically lowered that amount but we haven’t taken advantage of the tools available because we’re missing the prerequisite infrastructure to disempower the elite. We can, peacefully, build out that infrastructure and put the elite increasingly under pressure to do their jobs properly.
French interviewed on WTMJ:
http://www.rightwisconsin.com/dailytakes/National-Review-Columnist-David-French-John-Doe-Raids-Were-Intimidation-Pure-and-Simple-300708801.html
Re alternative information infrastructures: ‘Nonmedia’ speakers don’t get full first-amendment protection, rules a Texas appeals court
The John Doe raids are horrific. Stalinist, really. About the only thing missing were those so targeted being hauled off in black vans to a gulag someplace. I used to think that this kind of thing couldn’t happen here, but obviously given a vengeful prosecutor and a judge with a rubber stamp … it can.
Fundamental transformation. We turned a corner a while back. Some don’t believe it. My wife doesn’t, but she won’t watch the news anymore. Won’t watch television at all. This by someone who followed it avidly. Anytime I mention the saturation scandal/outrage that is the past six years, people get quiet, change the subject, look nervous. Once in a while someone will pipe up…and I live in a red state. The only thing I can compare what I’m seeing, are the accounts of Nazi Germany, when people drew the curtains upon seeing their neighbors hauled off.
Anyone who doesn’t own at least two magazine-fed semi automatic rifles — preferably stored in separate locations — and a few hundred rounds of ammunition for each is whistling Dixie.
Harden the target, folks. That, paradoxically, is the last best hope of preventing the Bad End we all fear. The locals who armed themselves and came to Ted Bundy’s defense point the way.
POS….any reason why I shouldn’t delete you as a troll?
The only vote an ordinary person can trust is the one he casts with his feet. It was that vote that brought the founding fathers to America. My ancestors fled from Europe.
POS’s plan can only end in a totalitarian state.
Problem is there is no ‘where’ to run to. The US IRS dominates every country in the world. The future has arrived.
Sgt. Mom,
The term of art that applies is “Pre-revolutionary conditions.”
See:
Theda Skocpol’s “States and Social Revolutions: A Comparative Analysis of France, Russia and China”
Wiki kink —
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_and_Social_Revolutions
Amazon Kindle link —
http://www.amazon.com/States-Social-Revolutions-Comparative-Analysis/dp/B00D2WQ28C/ref=sr_1_1_twi_2_kin?ie=UTF8&qid=1429649096&sr=8-1&keywords=Theda+Skocpol%27s+States+and+Social+Revolutions%3A+A+Comparative+Analysis+of+France%2C+Russia+and+China
Theda Skocpol book, STATES IN SOCIAL REVOLUTIONS, makes the point that _Really Big_ sweeping, overwhelming, smash-everything revolutions tend to happen when you have
1. A large minority, plurality, or majority that the regime depends on, but who no longer are committed to it
2. Agricultural crisis, specifically there could be enough food for the cities but there’s no politically permitted reliable way to grow it and get it there and pay the farmers
3. Inescapable (under present regime) war or “war state”
4. Political impossibility of raising revenue to bribe your way out of #1, invest your way out of #2, or continue to cover the routine costs of #3.
The social scientist who gave me that rated the USA and France as follows:
———–
“My ratings on the US:
1 not really not yet;
2 no prob;
3 worrisome and we need to think about where and how we can decommit;
4 we don’t really know because our stop-then-go political structures make it hard to do minor adjustments and nobody’s really trying a major one right now.
France,
1 endemic,
2 chronic low level problem,
3 they have options,
4 they have some options for the moment.
————–
The problem with the Wisconsin “John Doe” persecutions is that it just toggled over #1 for American Conservatives on the list and the Left is doing #4.
The EPA going after Coal power generation might just get us #2.
Please see the Yemen fleet confrontation for #3.
I view the huge American public purchases of fire arms since late 2007 as a leading indicator for Theda Skocpol’s list.
I am very concerned but somewhat relieved by my age. Apres Moi Deluge.
I have five grandchildren. Two by my leftist lawyer son who is impermeable to logic. Three by my conservative son who is very concerned but I try not to add to his and his wife’s worries.
I have three daughters, two of whom are still attached to the umbilical cord although it is getting stretched a bit.
If I were 40, I think I would be looking for a rural place like several sons of conservative fathers I know.
The leftists at Ann Althouse’s blog do not believe the articles about the John Doe raids. They either don;t believe it could be as bad as the accounts describe or they think it was a good idea.
David: WTH makes you think I’m trolling? An armed citizenry is the only deterrence to this sort of crap. The guys on the money agree with me; they made it very clear.
Anonymous: Advocating an armed citizenry is the antithesis of a totalitarian state. Your reasoning faculties are broken.
One thing to remember. These are the loser tactics of a political class that is on the way down. We can take these things and throw it into their face as a way of damping the spirit of the people on their side who still have a conscience and sway those who are neutral to our side. If you read the history of the old urban political Machines such as Tammany you will remember that they did some pretty raw anti-constitutional things as well and it failed to do them any good so long as their opponents stayed steady. So think of these as typical Machine tactics and deal with them accordingly. In the end it will do them no good at all.
“It was that vote that brought the founding fathers to America”? Really? I had assumed that they were largely native-born Americans.
POS…if your intent is to advocate an armed citizenry, why the seemingly-approving reference to defenders of a serial killer? That seems like the sort of thing that would be said by a troll who is an *opponent* of an armed citizenry, with the intent of discrediting the Second Amendment.
It’s not just Wisconsin: Democrats defend political persecutions in Texas
The fact that Cruz won his senate seat and we have a Tea Party guy as Texas Lt. Governor masks the fact that the current Texas Republican speaker of the Texas House is a big gov’t moderate in a Tea Party dominated Republican caucus.
As the price for his continued speakership, he keeps the Travis county DA in power over the Republican political class in Austin as the price of uniform Democratic support with the rump moderate Republican Caucus.
That the Democratic Travis County DA might investigate anyone who makes big trouble for the Republican Speaker or his Chairmen-cronies is lost on no one.
The Texas House Speaker has lost two of his chairmen supporters last go-around in the Republican primaries and the tie in of the Wisconsin persecutions to the Travis County DA will make maintaining this Travis-ty of Texas justice his undoing.
Every Tea Party challenger next go around will tie that Democratic totalitarian DA persecutor to the Speaker’s moderate Republican Chairman supporters in the next Texas Republican primary.
As far as the Travis County DA is concerned, “Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.” Even as a Democrat.
POS meant “Bundy” of Nevada, not the killer of women.
The Bundy stand off in Nevada was scary on a number of levels, because the state governments of Utah and Nevada were effectively on Bundy’s side.
In terms of the structure of American internal security, the Feds cannot deploy more than a company group — call it 200 — lawmen to any scene by any one agency, maximum effort. They need the State Governor calling up State law enforcement and the National Guard as back up if the incident exceeds that federal law men company size limit.
See what happened to the BATF at Waco.
Unlike the BATF at Waco, the Department of the Interior got no Nevada National Guard back up at the Bundy Ranch stand off.
In addition, when the Bureau of Land Management went to sell the Bundy cattle they had seized pure court order. Both the states of Nevada and Utah demanded paperwork that the cattle being offered by the BLM for sale had been vaccinated for anthrax…which only Bundy could supply.
When the Feds started killing the cattle they could not sell, the gunfire they used to do it was heard and the Bundy Ranch put out the word as to what the BLM was doing. When the stand off went viral on the internet, you had every loose militia guy from across the country headed that way to confront the Feds. What counted here was the vestigial rural Mormon “Saint” militia groups in the Great Western Desert within 4-5 hours drive.
The photos and videos towards the end of the stand off showed the Department of the Interior was surrounded, out numbered and under the rifle scopes of what was effectively a battalion sized group [500(+)] rural Mormon “Saint” militia.
For those of you who don’t know Mormon end time theology, Bundy effectively set up the videos and e-mailed photo lists to look like the visions of the beginning of those Mormon end times.
Since the current Senate minority leader’s son was chief of the Bureau of Land Management at the time when those videos came out, and he could not get either Nevada nor Utah state government help, nor get the President to send Federal troops in time to over awe the rural militias, de-escalation was the Feds only option.
Sugar Pine Mine in Oregon http://thelibertybrothers.com/sugar-pine-mine/
Lot’s of discussion of this on various web sites.
David Foster: Jesus! I meant the Bundy RANCH.
I’m sorry folks, but massive armed civil disobedience seems to be the only thing that works these days; look also to the open-carry protests in Washington State.
Or maybe you think righteous indignation and gasps of horror on the Internet are effectual in the face of a lawless government.
It used to be you could flaunt the law, get caught every so often, have money and lawyers and connections, and sleaze out of it… but at least you got caught and a certain number of people would wrinkled their noses and remember you on election day. Now the President and whole local governments flout the law in broad daylight and nothing even freaking *happens.*
I guarantee you if the good people of Illinois staged a massive open carry rally in front of the police stations responsible, they would have been handled with kid gloves and the message would have been delivered. But apparently they’ve been as thoroughly cowed as the electorate in my failing state of California. Shame about that.
Cliven not Tim….
“A war is coming. A shooting war between the liberal elite and their minions in the machinery of the state on one side, and the rest of America. It is going to be ugly. Obama’s response to the 2014 election — pretend it didn’t happen and double down, shows the way. I don’t want to be right. But, I don’t see any way out.”
It would certainly be a very elegant solution to the problem that is America. Arm everyone and fire up a national Armageddon.
>Gets Popcorn.
From what I have been able to gather from conversations with people who were there, there were two groups defending the Bundy Ranch. Camped near the entrance of the ranch and near the press area were the “loose militia” guys along with a large number of false flag types there to stir things up and deliberately give an excuse for a massive Federal reaction. The group camped near the Bundy Ranch House were the more serious and thoughtful Constitutionalists [my contacts]. They included Mormon Militias, yes. But there were also a large number of well trained and well equipped recently discharged military personnel under command.
There were several attempts by the “loose militia” to provoke a firefight in conjunction with the BLM. They were . . . stifled by the Constitutionalists. Rather forcefully, in some cases.
And it was reported in the Washington Times that an actual strike by the military was contemplated by the White House, and eventually rejected. We are closer to interesting times than most people believe. And the military option may not be taken off the table next time.
POS mis-stated a name and corrected it. With the correction, his statement is far from unreasonable. Looking at the lack of an opposition party in this country, we are not likely to be able to vote our way out of this mess. Or rather we are not going to be allowed to vote our way out of this mess.
>>And it was reported in the Washington Times that an actual strike by the military
>>was contemplated by the White House, and eventually rejected.
Got an article/date cite?
Never mind, I found it —
INSIDE THE RING
Bill Gertz – The Washington Times – Wednesday, May 28, 2014
>snip<
A 2010 Pentagon directive on military support to civilian authorities details what critics say is a troubling policy that envisions the Obama administration’s potential use of military force against Americans.
The directive contains noncontroversial provisions on support to civilian fire and emergency services, special events and the domestic use of the Army Corps of Engineers.
The troubling aspect of the directive outlines presidential authority for the use of military arms and forces, including unarmed drones, in operations against domestic unrest.
“This appears to be the latest step in the administration’s decision to use force within the United States against its citizens,” said a defense official opposed to the directive.
Directive No. 3025.18, “Defense Support of Civil Authorities,” was issued Dec. 29, 2010, and states that U.S. commanders “are provided emergency authority under this directive.”
“Federal military forces shall not be used to quell civil disturbances unless specifically authorized by the president in accordance with applicable law or permitted under emergency authority,” the directive states.
“In these circumstances, those federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the president is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances” under two conditions.
The conditions include military support needed “to prevent significant loss of life or wanton destruction of property and are necessary to restore governmental function and public order.” A second use is when federal, state and local authorities “are unable or decline to provide adequate protection for federal property or federal governmental functions.”
“Federal action, including the use of federal military forces, is authorized when necessary to protect the federal property or functions,” the directive states.
Military assistance can include loans of arms, ammunition, vessels and aircraft. The directive states clearly that it is for engaging civilians during times of unrest.
A U.S. official said the Obama administration considered but rejected deploying military force under the directive during the recent standoff with Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and his armed supporters.
Mr. Bundy is engaged in a legal battle with the federal Bureau of Land Management over unpaid grazing fees. Along with a group of protesters, Mr. Bundy in April confronted federal and local authorities in a standoff that ended when the authorities backed down.
The Pentagon directive authorizes the secretary of defense to approve the use of unarmed drones in domestic unrest. But it bans the use of missile-firing unmanned aircraft.
“Use of armed [unmanned aircraft systems] is not authorized,” the directive says.
The directive was signed by then-Deputy Defense Secretary William J. Lynn. A copy can be found on the Pentagon website: http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/302518p.pdf.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/28/inside-the-ring-directive-outlines-obamas-policy-t/#ixzz3Y4sa8gKC
“Camped near the entrance of the ranch and near the press area were the “loose militia” guys along with a large number of false flag types there to stir things up and deliberately give an excuse for a massive Federal reaction. The group camped near the Bundy Ranch House were the more serious and thoughtful Constitutionalists [my contacts]. They included Mormon Militias, yes. But there were also a large number of well trained and well equipped recently discharged military personnel under command.”
Subotai,
This picture shows a large group with various flags including the one circled in red that was hard to identify.
It turned out to be the the Mormon flag of Captain Moroni:
Moroni is associated with the “title of liberty”, a standard which he raised to rally the Nephites to defend their liberties from a group of dissenters who wanted to establish their leader as a king. Moroni was so angry with Amalickiah’s dissention and wicked influence that he tore his coat and wrote upon it, “In memory of our God, our religion, and freedom, and our peace, our wives, and our children”. With these words, he rallied his people to defend their families and their freedom and drove out the armies of Amalickiah. Moroni put to death any dissenters that remained and raised up the title of liberty upon every Nephite tower.
Was this the flag of your contacts or the Provocateurs?