Just how valuable is public opinion?

I have a great love of war-time propaganda films, particularly British ones. I have now seen a goodly number of them either at the National Film Theatre or, back in the days I still had one of them, on the goggle box. What I have always found slightly surprising is how many of them (as well as the number of thrillers published at the time) deal with fifth columnists. Some films give the impression that the country was absolutely honeycombed with groups and individuals at all social levels who sympathized with the Nazis and worked actively towards a German victory.

Naturally, I have thought, during a war, people must be alert; there will always be traitors, particularly if the war is to a very great extent an ideological one, and all others must be careful and vigilant. But was it really sensible to propagate the idea that a large proportion of the British population was not really involved in the war effort. Quite the contrary. Surely, that was completely untrue.

Anyone who thinks seriously about what would have happened had the Germans succeeded in occupying the whole of the UK, not just the Channel Islands, realizes that everything would have been quite similar to what happened in other countries. Officials would have gone on being officials; most people would have kept their heads down and got on with their lives, not knowing exactly how long the occupation would last; a few would have resisted for a time; and life would have gone on. Unlike the Danes, I do not believe the British would have done much to save the Jews, though, undoubtedly, many heroic individuals would have helped as they did in other countries.

The question that inevitably arises from the films and the books of the period is to what extent that sort of attitude existed while the country was fighting to prevent the occupation. There can be no real answer to that, though we do know from recent publications of mass observation opinion polls that there was a huge support for the “French solution” before and during the Battle of Britain and the Blitz. Not the majority, perhaps, but a sizeable minority thought that the war was being extended by Churchill and his cronies for their own purposes with no regard for the sacrifices made by the rest of the population.

Much of that opinion would have been expressed not as pro-Nazi but as peace-loving with a strong dislike for the “corrupt” and “oppressive” British regime. Noticeably, there was a shift in the opinion after June 22, 1941, when the Soviet Union found itself willy-nilly at war.

Yet the question of the fifth column and its extent remains troubling. The popularity of that fatuous slogan “Better Red than Dead” (as if people, whose countries were invaded or taken over had choices over such matters) increased one’s uncertainty though, as ever, ignorance is much more to blame than real wickedness or treasonous feelings.

Attitudes expressed by apparently sane and intelligent people in the last few years as the war against terrorism has become open (one of the many aspects of it all that people seem reluctant to admit is that the war was there long before 9/11 but we were losing it) have made me review my certainty that the picture presented of a wide-spread active or passive fifth column during the war was completely and incomprehensibly erroneous. Who knows?

Take Peter Riddell’s article in today’s London Times about a recent Populus poll about terrorism and what Britain should do about it. One has to be very cautious about polls as people are influenced by immediate events, usually misrepresented by the MSM, in this case the Nimrod crash in Afghanistan that had killed 14 servicemen, and by the way the questions are phrased.

As the responses are not that different from those given to a recent YouGov poll, one must assume that these are realistic results. Whether they do reflect the thinking of the “voters” as Riddell would like us to believe, is much more questionable. The truth is that most people do not become “voters” until they approach that voting booth, when they are unlikely to recall what they said (or, more likely, what somebody else said) to some pollster months before.

A month ago, I wrote on the subject of who should be running our foreign policy, a question that needs to be sorted out in people’s minds before we can even begin to think what the policy might be. The results of the Populus poll prove once again that few people have even asked themselves that question, let along tried to answer it and that the passive fifth column in this latest war is far more wide-spread than we like to acknowledge.

“Nearly three quarters of the public (73 per cent) believe that “the British Government’s foreign policy, especially its support for the invasion of Iraq and refusal to demand an immediate ceasefire by Israel in the recent war against Hezbollah in Lebanon, has significantly increased the risk of terrorist attacks on Britain”.”

Great, just great. As Pajamas Media puts it in the link to the piece: “Leave Us Out of It”. This is not really opposing certain aspects of Blair’s foreign policy, a perfectly legitimate attitude, but a completely ignorant and cowardly opinion that British foreign policy should be decided by anyone who feels like threatening this country. (Oh yes, what would that demand for an immediate cease-fire have achieved?)

Going on from there:

“Moreover, three fifths (62 per cent) agree that “in order to reduce the risk of future terrorist attacks on Britain the Government should change its foreign policy, in particular by distancing itself from America, being more critical of Israel and declaring a timetable for withdrawing from Iraq”. Women (66 per cent) and Liberal Democrat voters (74 per cent) agree with this view particularly strongly.”

We have discussed at length on this blog the pernicious anti-Americanism so wide-spread in this country and the concomitant opposition to Israel with very little understanding or desire to acquire that understanding of what is really going on in those countries.

Then we start getting into real nonsense. 63 per cent believe that Islamist extremists hate the West and western values and even if the foreign policy changed they would find something else to oppose. At the same time 52 per cent think that

“even though there is no justification for terrorism, the British Government’s foreign policy, especially towards Iraq and the recent attacks on Lebanon by Israel, is anti-Muslim and it is understandable that many Muslims are offended by it”.

Why is it understandable? Given the age-old war that has been going on between different groups of Muslims, the idea that they should all unite somehow in their understanding of political developments is laughable. And if people of Pakistani descent who have lived in Britain all their lives care all that much about Lebanon why do they find the fact that NATO went in to help Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo and, let us face it, Afghanistan, so utterly uninteresting.

Then we get to the wording: attacks on Lebanon or attacks on Hezbollah who have never been particularly bothered about killing Muslims who disagree with them. In the last couple of days we have had reports of more assassinations and attempted assassinations in Lebanon of people who oppose Syria. Does this offend any Muslims or, for that matter, the muppets who respond to these opinion polls? Probably, never heard of it.

Apparently, two thirds of the respondents feel BAA has been completely justified in introducing completely idiotic rules that would do nothing to increase our safety but make flying an even less pleasant experience than ever before and two thirds (is it the same two thirds, one wonders) disagrees with the very idea of any kind of focused investigation.

“Just a third believe that security checks should be “particularly focused on people who appear to be from the same ethnic or religious background as previous terrorists, rather than treating everyone as if they represent an equal risk”. But two thirds disagree.”

Why would we want to learn anything from the pattern that has emerged over the last decade and a half of terrorist attacks?

Meanwhile, EUObserver that seems to have accepted the mantra of the European project has come up with another opinion poll, conducted by the German Marshall Fund, an organization that has been a cheer-leader and enthusiastic participant in that project.

To start with, one rather wonders about the concept of a “majority of EU citizens” and about an opinion poll that is conducted across several countries with different populations in number and social make-up. It seems that “around 1,000 people” were interviewed in Germany, France, the UK, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal and Slovakia and a majority spoke up for a single EU foreign minister, largely because they did not think very highly of President Bush’s foreign policy.

Whether one agrees with Bush’s foreign policy or not, he is not going to be president beyond some time in January 2009, the United States being a democracy bound by its constitution. To create a post that would represent an integrated foreign policy for the EU member states, that is to discard the idea of an independent foreign policy because of one American president, is fatuous. But 52 per cent agreed with the notion in Britain.

Of course, neither the German Marshal Fund nor EUObserver bothers to raise the small matter of what that single EU foreign minister would do. After all, as we have pointed out, the EU’s record in the war against terror and the various recent international crises has not been particularly outstanding.

Cross-posted from EUReferendum

5 thoughts on “Just how valuable is public opinion?”

  1. There’s no mystery about the movies you refer to—Nazis make great bad guys. Also, it fit very nicely with the intellectual climate that has permeated the arts and academia for over a century, that the danger to society was from the “right”, and salvation lay on the “left”.

    Hence the gloomy suspicions of nazi spies under every bed, while actual spies working for their masters in Moscow stole everything they could get their hands on and sent it on to Stalin and his successors. And, if anyone mentioned being concerned about that activity, they were immediately branded as a paranoic anti-communist witch hunter, and probably a proto-fascist as well.

    The painful truth is that there has been, and is, a very active fifth column in western society for over a century. Leftist partisans of various stripes and denominations have relentlessly worked against, argued against, and spied for the enemies of liberal, democratic, capitalist society year after year, decade after decade.

    From the anarchist/socialist/progressive movements of the 19th and early 20th centuries, through the old, hard left of the 1920’s and 30’s, to the completely soviet owned toadies of the 40’s and 50’s, the chorus of high sounding, but utterly bankrupt, marxist rhetoric screamed at every western society that they were evil and oppressive, while it looked the other way and whistled as millions died in gulags and famines.

    With the rise of the “New Left” in the 60’s and 70’s, the moribund ideology of a generation of aging stalinists was recycled and gussied up, and a new group of virulent leftist activists rallied and ranted and protested their way to a western defeat in SE Asia, turning away when millions died or fled into the sea.

    The 80’s saw the great peace and disarmament movements, esp. in Europe, huge crowds marching and singing, flying the hammer and sickle, railing against the terrible warmonger Reagan, while praising the great peaceloving Soviet leadership. I especially loved the German rallies, with the wall in the background, that mute testimony to the lunacy of every assertion, and the falsity of every claim.

    The great implosion shattered and demoralized this coalition of leftists, but they quickly moved on (pun intended) to the various ani-capitalist movements in ecology or animal rights or anti-global trade.

    With the advent of the current struggle against Islamic fascism, a new rallying cry arose, and the children of those who couldn’t wait to prostrate themselves before Stalin, or Mao, or Leonid, or Ho, rushed into the embrace of the Islamists, joyful to have found another ally against the evils of western capitalism, and democracy’s misguided rejection of their enlightened leadership.

    What do we see today? The same rhetoric, the same double standards, the same virulent hatred for anything found in western, liberal, capitalist, democratic societies, and the same blind eye to the bizarre excesses of the opposition, the same bankrupt social policies, the same delusional assertions that all problems can be solved by UN conferences, or endless negotiations, or abject capitulation.

    The latter is the preferred course of action.

    Yes, these are the international moral and cultural elites, filled with warmed over marxist dialectic, post-modern criticism, and multi-cultural sensitivity. How can we resist them?

    They clearly have the international answer.


  2. Thanks. I think the popular confusion you describe is present everywhere in the West. Today I heard a Fox News correspondent say that Congressional Democrats have done a thorough job in formulating their newly announced security plan, since they put it together with the benefit of a full year’s worth of polling data.

  3. veryretired is pretty much correct, I agree.

    One interesting thing, which has been commented on many times but maybe not enouggh, even so, is that as the left reflexively attacks the US and Israel, they are objectively (to use the old Marxist locution) supporting a cause that is far more opposed to them than is, say, the Republican Party. Whatever else one may say about it, leftism is a product of the industrial and post-industrial West; the Islamists they are supporting are pre-medieval theocrats. The joy expressed by bin Laden and the mujahedeen at beating the USSR in Afghanistan is totally lost on them. And in the final analysis, if the Islamists win, it will be the left and many of its constituent groups–gays, radical feminists, racial minorities, secularists, who will suffer first and most.

    But, better to keep opposing the US than to examine one’s position in light of changing circumstances, that would be too much work.

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