UPDATE:
The Telegraph Gets it.
Middle America is besieged by radical, anti-American voices trying to drown out alternative opinion. Shutting down a Trump rally won’t silence Trumpism. On the contrary, it affirms it. Why does the Left continue to make this mistake?
Trump’s views are unconstitutional, illiberal and sometimes they trigger hate. But he did not take America to war in Iraq on flimsy evidence, establish Guantanamo in contravention of human rights law or licence the torture of enemy combatants.
Trump’s political style bears comparison not with Mussolini but George C Wallace, who ran for the presidency in 1968 and 1972 on a conservative populist ticket. Protestors turned up to his rallies, too – and he loved it. Wallace perfected the anti-hippie zinger. When kids shouted “F**k Wallace!” he replied: “Why don’t you try learnin’ some other four letter words – like W.A.S.H. and W.O.R.K.?” The confrontations added to the Alabamian’s appeal, confirming him as “the only guy willing to take on the mob”.
I worry about the comparison and hope it is not too accurate.
Last night, the Trump rally in Chicago after rioters invaded the hall and threatened to rush the stage.
Last night saw unprecedented scenes inside the University of Illinois at Chicago Pavilion between an anti-Trump mob and Chicagoans who came to hear the Republican front-runner speak.
While outside, an impatient group of thousands more massed. Temperatures rose.
Multiple law enforcement sources told DailyMail.com that there was a credible threat against Trump from groups of protesters who planned to storm the stage.
I watched some of the TV coverage and the protestors seemed to be a combination of blacks and white “Bernie” sign carrying student age people. There were a few fist fights but the vast majority of the capacity crowd filed out peacefully and drove home. I was struck by the quiet cooperation of the rally goers and the taunting celebration of the rioters.
This will be a long hot summer. Last weekend saw 22 shootings in Chicago’s black neighborhoods. St Louis saw protestors at that Trump rally and there is another big rally scheduled in Ohio tonight.
The political world holds its breath for Saturday’s Ohio rally after Donald Trump’s Chicago event last night went into melt down after bloody brawls and loud demonstrations broke out, amid simmering racial tensions.
As the dust settles in Chicago, hundreds gather in Wright Brothers Aero Hangar for the Republican candidate’s first official address since last night’s fracas.
Supporters were queuing from midnight last night, according to local reports, where there is a heavy police presence and the venue is said to be ‘at capacity’.
Today’s event is arguably the most anticipated of the entire primaries following yesterday’s unprecedented scenes.
The Donald tweeted this much-needed message of encouragement as the crowds anticipate his arrival: ‘The rally in Cincinnati is ON. Media put out false reports that it was cancelled. Will be great – love you Ohio!’
It will be interesting to see if the rioters can create the same disturbance. In Chicago, local politicians helped organize the riot.
Yes, it did and some of them are elected officials. Some are old experienced terrorists, like Bill Ayers who was there.
Ted Cruz managed to look creepy.
Ted Cruz: Ted Cruz is responding to Donald Trump’s cancellation of his Chicago rally, saying the billionaire has created ‘an environment that encourages this sort of nasty discourse.’ The Texas senator is calling it a ‘sad day.’
He says, ‘Political discourse should occur in this country without the threat of violence, without anger and rage and hatred directed at each other.’
Cruz says blame for the events in downtown Chicago rests with the protesters but ‘in any campaign responsibility starts at the top.’
Cruz says, ‘When the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence, to punch people in the face, the predictable consequence of that is that is escalates. Today is unlikely to be the last such incidence.‘
An invitation ?
Trump never showed and the Chicago PD denied telling him to cancel the event. For all of their failings Chicago police are pretty ruthless in enforcing order in the higher rent areas. Trump stage managed this which was a perfect opportunity to show he was a real “tough” guy not a poseur. He could have made a speech on how he would lead the nation out of these divisions and strife as opposed to his earlier “in the old days we beatup protestors”. He does have a carefully crafted way of speaking that encourages his less restrained followers without explicitly saying so. I run into guys like this a lot and they are very much like Trump. They spend 100% of the time promoting their reputations, but are not really good at what they claim they do. They are also never around when the Shit hits the fan.
Putz is a perfect description for the Donald.
“Putz is a perfect description for the Donald.”
So, you think the riot was justified ?
There is a rally tonight in Dayton which he has promised to attend and which is sold out to capacity.
I just hope he has enough security there. Dayton is not Cleveland. The convention may become a battleground.
I am very concerned about violence and I do not agree with you about what might have happened last night. Did you watch the TV as it was going on ?
CPD was not responsible for security inside the building, Secret Service and UIC Campus Cops were. So they had nothing to do with cancelling the event. Campus Cops could not control the crowd and they and Secret Service advised Trump to cancel. The Donald could not have given the speech without a riot erupting in the hall. Call him a putz if it makes you feel good. But his choice of UIC as a venue was brilliant and the leftists played right into his hand. I expect lots of out of doors political activity this spring and summer. Party like it’s 1968. Let’s hope the Ohio National Guard is a little better trained than they were then, because they’re going to get a lot of duty in Cleveland this year. Last chance for boomer radicals to relive the good old days. Who won in 1968?
“[T]he left played right into his hand” is a back handed way of saying Trump bears some responsibility for this situation. Since it’s likely a political winner, Cruz is probably correct that it’s going to happen again. That’s analysis, not invitation.
All that being said, we should not be a country where a major party candidate cannot hold a rally without violent protesters. The vast bulk of the responsibility rests on the protestors with Bernie Sanders supporters being the bulk of them. Sanders should be called to account to repudiate the violence. Did I miss it or is he being given a pass?
“The vast bulk of the responsibility rests on the protestors with Bernie Sanders supporters being the bulk of them.”
There is little evidence for this. Certainly a wide group of people were involved but there are many, especially Muslims and Latinos, who have good reasons to go after Trump.
No question Trump bears some responsibility. Has he ever appeared at a venue like UIC before? Not to my knowledge.
Looks like Trump is getting what he wanted in Dayton. Now claiming he made decision to cancel Chicago. Doesn’t mention police advice.
there are many, especially Muslims and Latinos, who have good reasons to go after Trump.
Depends on what you mean by “go after”. That’s the kind of language that implicitly incites.
Cruz is done. He won’t even get to the federal bench.
PenGun – What is the name of another candidate who had their support groups in Chicago committing assault and trying to provoke violence? We know that Bernie Sanders’ support group People for Bernie was there. Who else should we be asking to disavow the actions of their supporters. Please enlighten us as to the other culprits.
Michael Walsh in his book The Devil’s Pleasure Palace makes the point that behind the New Left’s agenda lies violence. The event last night in Chicago, as well as the “days of rage,” again in Chicago almost half-a-century ago, seem to bear out Walsh’s point. A frequent commentator on Chicago Boyz, Subadar Badahur [sp], has often said violence was looming ahead in our upcoming political campaigns. He seems to be prophetic on this wouldn’t you say?
Here’s a closer look at the attack on Trump during today’s rally.
(warning- foul language & raving leftist lunatic)
To quote someone on INSTAPUNDIT, “All of those principled Republicans and conservatives joining up with MoveOn and Black Lives Matter” is disappointing, but not surprising.
We have now seen who their higher loyalties are to.
And they have guaranteed that in any putative November elections, the Democrats will win. If Trump is the nominee, the GOPe and all the candidates running now will be functionally working for the Democrat. It is what Republicans have done consistently whenever an outsider wins a nomination. If Trump is not the nominee, how many of his supporters [35-45% of the voter base, at least, in the primaries so far] will vote for the [insert the expletives they will use] who stabbed Trump in the back? Republicans lose up and down the ticket. And there is the possibility of the rise of a real SECOND party, above ground or underground.
Unless the entire political establishment has gone Chiroptera feces crazy; they have to have had an end condition that they want to come to. Every option from the actions of the GOPe, is a Democrat victory. Unless someone can come up with another path and explain it, once you have eliminated the impossible, what remains has to be the answer.
The goal of both parties is a Democrat victory, and the GOPe is willing to destroy the Republican party to achieve it.
Which means we are outside the realm of electoral politics until it can be restored. Chicago points to where we are now.
TM. There is no evidence the Sanders supporters are the main protagonists. The organization of organizations implies a cooperative effort. I understand you have but one weapon, it makes little sense to use it here.
It would be dumb to oppose Trump. He will be by far the easiest to beat for either the Hildabeast, I like that one, or the Bern.
So, PenGun, you can’t name others but you’re sure that they’re not mostly Sanders people.
Thank you for playing.
especially Muslims and Latinos, who have good reasons to go after Trump.
What reasons would they have to go after Trump? He said nothing about American Hispanics or American Muslims.
If you’re an engineer and you design a ratchet, should you be surprised that the ratchet moves in only one direction? What we’re seeing taking place in society and being focused on Trump is not due to Trump, it’s entirely due to structural forces running within society. Maintaining the status quo, even with Trump leaving the scene, is not going to make matters better. The future will be more unstable than the present, that’s due to the ratchet effect. It took us a long time to get here, by following the path laid out for us and it’s going to take a long time to fix the problems in society, problems which most people don’t even recognize. I’m not sure that Trump is the man to fix these problems, but then again, simply because he’s smart enough to see and to talk about some of the problems, he’s hands down a better choice than any of the alternatives on offer.
Ted Cruz is responding to Donald Trump’s cancellation of his Chicago rally, saying the billionaire has created ‘an environment that encourages this sort of nasty discourse.’ The Texas senator is calling it a ‘sad day.’
Weak, Ted, weak.
The thuggish left and comments like Ted’s make us become more and more Trumpish.
Told ya!
I can’t tell for sure, but it looked to me like Trump was wheeling around to punch that guy jumping the stage.
http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/03/chicago-the-veil-is-being-lifted/#more-62433
says what needs to be said.
“There is no evidence the Sanders supporters are the main protagonists”
Other than 50 Sanders signs, of course.
NBC News is running this story:
TangoMan – So, you’re saying that the Clintonista “MoveOn.org” people had a major role too? I stand corrected. Clinton needs to reign in her thugs as well. I’m not holding my breath for a journalist to press her on that.
Clinton needs to reign in her thugs as well. I’m not holding my breath for a journalist to press her on that.
Leftists play to win. Republicans don’t. Trump does. We see the common theme to how leftists play politics, and they even named the pro-Affirmative Action movement after that theme, By Any Means Necessary. This is what middle America doesn’t get, their enemy is totally committed to getting power and then using that power to jam their policies down America’s throat.
As for you point about the journalists holding Clinton to account, yeah, don’t hold your breath, we’d miss you here, it would be such a senseless loss.
Rioting fascists accuse Trump of being Hitler.
I would like to recommend Rex Applegate’s ‘Kill Or Get Killed’ to everyone in this thread who is angered and alarmed by these events. (Except PenGun).
http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Get-Killed-Rex-Applegate/dp/1581605587
It was originally penned to help fresh-faced American draftees learn to fight down and dirty against hardened killers in WW2, with eye gouges, knives to the groin, wire around the throat, and every kind of firearm at every range. Its premise is that the reader will be utterly scared spitless and is largely inexperienced — that you will involuntarily crouch and flail your arms and succumb to tunnel vision. It proceeds from there, and tells you how to channelize your body’s natural impulses in a fight to maximum effect. There is no macho-man tacticool sheepdog baloney, just user-friendly life-saving drills, most of which you can practice in your living room. Anyone who takes self-defense seriously, who has their CCW or is concerned about violent crime, should read this without delay.
The second part of the book was added in the 1950’s. It is largely aimed at LEO’s and Natl. Guard, and addresses the rise of the Communist-trained ‘ideologically motivated mob,’ which at that time was a new and worrisome thing in America. How they seize control of public places and marginalize the police, how they terrify the general population and whip up their own followers, how the senior members often manipulate underlings into potentially lethal situations in order to generate martyrs… you will find that informative as well. You will also find it terrifying, because you are going to recognize a helluva lot of what you see on the news at home and abroad. Including Chicago.
“you are going to recognize a helluva lot of what you see on the news at home and abroad. Including Chicago.”
And Cleveland.
I fear we will see war in the streets and the police are affected with PC, not as bad as in Britain, but they are under attack by the left, especially the Black Lives matter group which is funded by Soros and other Progressive organizations.
Chicago already sees race riots, which are called “Flash Mobs,” and which are now targeting the north Michigan Avenue shopping and residential areas.
Chicago already sees race riots, which are called “Flash Mobs,” and which are now targeting the north Michigan Avenue shopping and residential areas.
This can all be fixed if we all chant Diversity is our Strength.™
Might as well post it again.
Someone on another site posted “Blaming Trump for the rioters is like blaming a You Tube video for Benghazi” BLM/Soros et al are responsible for the disruption, damages and staggering cost overruns. These individuals have been documented White House visitors, and were staged long before Trump announced. Sanford, Ferguson, Baltimore, and many points in between. Whoever the front-runner was going to be, they were going to be targeted.
That he’s caused such enthusiasm and momentum only serves to infuriate the organizer(s)and has added dangerous levels of urgency. Anyone who remembers the bat-shit crazy sixties and seventies can attest to how reckless and damaging they are. There are still empty lots in my old home town that were burnt in 68-69, and back then the principals didn’t have the reins of the federal government.
“There are still empty lots in my old home town that were burnt in 68-69, and back then the principals didn’t have the reins of the federal government.”
I anticipate Cleveland burning during the GOP convention. I hope not but I see it.
Trump is now talking about “Law and Order.” We will see that get very big this year again.
Law and Order. That’s so 1968.
I intended to vote for Cruz in the Florida primary but I am withholding my vote.
The right to free speech and the right to peaceable assembly are civil right and the Declaration of Independence said to protect these rights are why “governments are instituted among men…”
If Cruz and Rubio can’t stand 100% behind the civil rights of a political competitor, how can I trust a Cruz or Rubio Administration to stand up 100% for MY civil rights?
Yes, this could lead to a civil war.
One classic bit of advice from General Sherman – “If war be the remedy of my enemy’s choosing, I say, give it to him.”
If the civil government won’t or can’t protect our rights to hear a candidate for president (and there were practical problems in Chicago so I understand in this case) then free men and women will have to protect them ourselves or we won’t be free much longer.
BREAKING: Black Trump supporter shot and killed by Chicago protesters
http://christiantimesnewspaper.com/breaking-black-trump-supporter-shot-and-killed-by-chicago-protesters/
He won’t be the only black man shot in Chicago this weekend by another black man> He might be the only one who was worth a damn.
Too bad but this will get common, I fear.
Have they arrested Marinus van der Lubbe yet?
“So, PenGun, you can’t name others but you’re sure that they’re not mostly Sanders people.”
LOL. Umm, no one believes this was a Sander’s set up or that the people doing the protest were largely Sanders people. That’s not gonna fly, even Trump does not believe that.
My favorite so far is that Soros is behind this, using his expertise gained by instigating Maidan in the Ukraine. It seems Trump will not be controllable by the Zionists, that apparently run everything, so he has to be stopped.
At least mine is funny, yours is just wrong.
“I would like to recommend Rex Applegate’s ‘Kill Or Get Killed’ to everyone in this thread who is angered and alarmed by these events. (Except PenGun).”
Yup, I’ve been a badass since I was quite young. A tip, the environment is a better weapon that your rather fragile body. Hitting the environment with the ‘subject’ is often more effective than hitting the ‘subject’ with your fist etc.
The organizations behind the Chicago riot are being described.
In 2011, Cook County became the first locality to stop cooperating with the federal government on detainers; detainers became controversial among leftist groups when their use skyrocketed under the now discarded Secure Communities program.
It’s coming.
” It seems Trump will not be controllable by the Zionists, ”
PenGun is in usual form.
“PenGun is in usual form.”
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/03/13/455393/George-Soros-violent-mobs-Chicago-/
Really, would I kid you?
Michael Kennedy quoting The Telegraph:
“But [Trump] did not take America to war in Iraq on flimsy evidence”
Neither did President Bush. In fact, the Saddam regime was in material breach across the board of the Gulf War ceasefire for casus belli, including the “governing standard of Iraqi compliance” (UNSCR 1441) for disarmament and renouncing terrorism mandated by UNSCR 687 (1991), in Saddam’s “final opportunity to comply” (UNSCR 1441). On the evidence, Bush’s decision for Operation Iraqi Freedom was correct.
Answer to “Why did Bush leave the ‘containment’ (status quo)?”;
Answer to “Did Bush allow enough time for the inspections?”;
Answers to “Did Bush lie his way to war with Iraq?” and “Was Operation Iraqi Freedom legal?”.
It’s no coincidence that The Telegraph led its thesis with the Iraq issue. The prevailing yet demonstrably false narrative of the why of OIF is a course-setting, cornerstone premise in the public discourse regarding American leadership in general and perception about American leadership under Republican presidency in particular.
As such, if you support Trump’s insurgent candidacy, it’s to his advantage – in the same way that it advantaged President Obama’s candidacy – that you continue to allow the demonstrably false narrative of the why of OIF to shape American affairs. But if you support another Republican candidate over Trump and the Democrats, then it’s incumbent to set the record straight on the why of OIF in the public discourse, ASAP.
I would like to read that book, Phil O., but the price is outrageous. I will look locally for a copy or try to find it elsewhere on the web.
The review mentioning knife attacks reminds me of the video of when Spencer Stone, the hero of last year’s French train attack, was stabbed in a bar brawl in Sacramento. He tried to fight three men but one had a knife. He was stabbed in the heart, lungs, and liver, and he required open heart surgery to save his life. You can see in the video that he was throwing roundhouse punches which opened him up and made him vulnerable to knife thrusts.
I’ve often heard to go for the wrist holding the knife. You would need to be faster than your attacker for it to work. I agree it’s a long shot, but when you have someone thrusting at you, you don’t have much to lose anyway.
There are a number of knife fighting things you can do. We used to practice knife fighting with ballpoint pens and no shirt. The pen will leave a mark where you strike and we tried to not hurt each other too much.
A standard sucker move, you can find out if the guy knows anything this way, is the simple reverse slash at the guys knife wrist. If successful he will lose the knife and probably suffer tendon damage. It’s also a fairly safe move as you can still keep your distance.
Always focus on the knife, do not let the other guy distract from that. Always grab a weapon of some kind a mug is better than nothing, throw it at his head. My motto for a while was run till you find a weapon. A chair is very good but anything you can find can be useful.
If you can, just run away, it’s not a fair fight.
Friday evening’s Donald Trump rally in Chicago was broken up by a foul-mouthed mob that infiltrated the hall and forced the cancellation of the event to prevent violence and bloodshed.
Brownshirt tactics worked. The mob, triumphant, rejoiced.
And the reaction of Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and John Kasich?
All three Republican rivals blamed – Donald Trump.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/republican-wimps-absolve-the-rioters/#aHSjIzmAXGAaJqe6.99
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The clear-sighted Buchanan has it right as usual.
The Telegraph, which I’ve read regularly for years, most definitely doesn’t “get it.” They may get this little sliver of an issue, but, big picture, they hate Trump too.
Trump’s views are unconstitutional, illiberal and sometimes they trigger hate
Compared to all other presidents and candidates who are scrupulously constitutional and only inspire love. Get real.
“when you have someone thrusting at you, you don’t have much to lose anyway.”
The old rule is “Run from a knife and charge a gun.” Stone forgot that.
I have my doubts about Trump, but anti-Semitism, racism, xenophobia, lack of ability to deal with serious people, or lack of intelligence are not among them. He has developed large real estate projects in several large cities, including being based in Manhattan. That negates all of those concerns.
Anyway, his son-in-law is Jewish and his daughter converted when she married him, and remains a senior person (VP, I think) in the Trump Organization. So much for anti-Semitism.
My main concern, other than electability with both sides sliming him as they are, is that he seems too quick-tempered, too ready to rise to the bait. He cannot seem to let a slight just go by, he seems to always have to have the last word. I want someone with great powers of self control in that office.
Related, his need to see his name on everything from his buildings to licensing deals he should have checked out before going into (steaks? vodka? Trump University?) is a related problem. Are his id and ego really under control?
Case in point, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, JFK got 2 successive messages from Khrushchev, within a couple of hours. The first was constructive, the second belligerent. JFK’s team decided that K was probably caught in the middle of a factional conflict in the Kremlin, and the way to help the constructive side was to respond positively to that message and ignore the belligerent one. I wonder if Trump would resist the urge to respond angrily to that second message.
Now, maybe all this is the persona he had to adopt in order to crack the political market and build a differentiated “brand” there, and once he is satisfied that is accomplished he can dial it back down. I don’t know. I suspect we may learn more over the next 2 months.