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  • More on the Globalization of American Politics

    Posted by Jonathan on August 4th, 2004 (All posts by )

    Val Dorta has another take on this issue. Worth reading.

    WRT Val’s observations about foreigners who move here, become citizens, and then repeat the irresponsible voting behavior that wrecked their countries of origin and got them to emigrate in the first place, similar patterns are evident within the United States. For example, Californians fled burdensome taxes and regulations and moved to Arizona, where they proceeded to vote like Californians and drive up their new state’s spending and taxes. And refugees from New York and the socialist Northeast have helped to transform Florida from a conservative stronghold into a state that’s almost evenly divided between red and blue political cultures.


    9 Responses to “More on the Globalization of American Politics”

    1. Chris Says:

      Yes…but I would think that more liberals would be alarmed at the number of people from these countries that overwhelmingly vote for them…that would give any critically thinking person who who was ACTUALLY concerned with looking out for the US first and foremost alarm I would think…but I guess that says it all right there….

    2. Chris Says:

      An equally alarming and related issue is the number of immigrants that come to the US from vastly idealogically different countries yet Maintain some semblance of duty, patriotism, or loyalty to their previous countries…even AFTER becoming full fledged US citizens….what is it about renunciation of prior citizenships and the citizenship pledge that is not clear to these people?

    3. Mr. Davis Says:

      It is not clear to me that immigrants have ever integrated into the U. S. well or truly become “full fledged” citizens regardless of their legal status. What is important and what has happened is that their children and especially grand children do. David Hackett Fishcer gives some pretty convincing evidence that this has been the case.

      The counter examples cited here are of retirees overwhelming smaller rural populations and do not seem to me to invalidate the 3 generation process of assimilation Hackett documents.

    4. freddie poo Says:

      good post! no more immigrants seeking a new life and liberty! No moving from state to state! Send Cubans in Florida back to Cuba and Jews frtom the North back to NY! Make this again the country it once was in 1789

    5. Stevely Says:

      freddie poo, way to go there with the reductio ad absurdum, you pathetic blog roach.

    6. Fûz Says:

      When I moved my family to Colorado from Back East, I consciously tried to learn how people wanted to live here, and fit in. It hasn’t been easy. Though I never had the collectivist, tax-and-spend habits that make the Northeast famous, I don’t fit in that well here—the cookie-cutter housing developments, homeowners’ associations, the commoditization of everything. Maybe if I’d moved to Salida or Limon it would have been different.

      Transplanted Californians complain about the transplanted Texans.

      It’s not so much the transplantation of Northeastern attitudes to the West, or West Coast attitudes to Arizona—it’s pure city-mouse versus country-mouse. And as America urbanizes, the city mice will prevail.

    7. Chris Says:

      America has been urbanizing for 200 years…it hasn’t happened yet..and won’t for a long time to come…

    8. Barry Says:

      Remember gentlemen, it should be pretty clear that correlation is not causation. It is best to have studied these issues in sufficient depth to have a responsible opinion.

    9. Val Says:

      “it should be pretty clear that correlation is not causation.”

      Where is the mistake in the way transplanted Californians, Northeasterners and Latins vote? Or are the polls and the very different voting patterns in some states an invention?