Chicago Boyz

                 
 
 
What Are Chicago Boyz Readers Reading?
 

 
  •   Enter your email to be notified of new posts:
    Loading
  •   Problem? Question?
  •   Contact Authors:

  • Blog Posts (RSS 2.0)
  • Blog Posts (Atom 0.3)
  • Incoming Links
  • Recent Comments

    • Loading...
  • Authors

  • Notable Discussions

  • Recent Posts

  • Blogroll

  • Categories

  • Archives

  • Obama’s plan for an alliance with Iran.

    Posted by Michael Kennedy on February 4th, 2015 (All posts by )

    There has been considerable curiosity about Obama’s foreign policy goals in the middle east. He has picked a major fight with Israel and the PM, Netanyahu. It has been known for years that Obama and Netanyahu loathe each other. Obama withdrew US forces from Iraq while American military leaders kept silent but were disapproving. The CIA Director, General Petraeus, was removed after a scandal that had administration fingerprints all over it. Senior generals who opposed Obama’s plans and let it be known, were relieved like like General McChrystal, who had permitted other officers in his commend to talk disrespectfully about the administration in front of a reporter.

    As for McChrystal: In a press conference on June 24 of this year, Adm. Mike Mullen said, succinctly, “It was clear that … in its totality, it challenged civilian control … .”

    Mullen’s “it” refers to the disrespect for civilian authority by now-former U.S. Afghanistan commander McChrystal’s staff, as portrayed in an article in the current issue of Rolling Stone magazine. President Obama, whose wife until his candidacy was never proud of her country, relieved McChrystal for this disrespect — not so much for what McChrystal had said, but for his staff’s biting criticism of other members of the administration, including Vice President Joe Biden.

    Not long after this, General Petraeus resigned from the CIA but is still being harassed by the FBI.

    “All of us who know him and are close to him are mystified by the fact there is still this investigation into him,” Jack Keane, a retired four-star U.S. Army General said in an interview. Keane has been both an adviser to and mentor of Petraeus since he saved Petraeus’s life during a live-fire training exercise in 1991.

    It may be as simple as an effort, so far successful, to keep Petraeus from talking about the Obama Administration’s most important foreign policy initiative.

    How eager is the president to see Iran break through its isolation and become a very successful regional power? Very eager. A year ago, Benjamin Rhodes, deputy national-security adviser for strategic communication and a key member of the president’s inner circle, shared some good news with a friendly group of Democratic-party activists. The November 2013 nuclear agreement between Tehran and the “P5+1”—the five permanent members of the UN Security Council plus Germany—represented, he said, not only “the best opportunity we’ve had to resolve the Iranian [nuclear] issue,” but “probably the biggest thing President Obama will do in his second term on foreign policy.”

    Perhaps this is what Obama meant in his famous open-mike comment to Russian President, in which he said, he would have “more flexibility” to negotiate on the delicate issue of missile defense after the November election, which Mr. Obama apparently feels confident he will win.

    The missile defense issue is the New York Times’ addition to the context. What if Obama meant the relationship with Iran ?

    “We’re already kind of thinking through, how do we structure a deal so we don’t necessarily require legislative action right away.”

    Why the need to bypass Congress? Rhodes had little need to elaborate. As the president himself once noted balefully, “[T]here is hostility and suspicion toward Iran, not just among members of Congress but the American people”—and besides, “members of Congress are very attentive to what Israel says on its security issues.” And that “hostility and suspicion” still persist, prompting the president in his latest State of the Union address to repeat his oft-stated warning that he will veto “any new sanctions bill that threatens to undo [the] progress” made so far toward a “comprehensive agreement” with the Islamic Republic.

    So an accommodation with Iran is to be Obama’s most important foreign policy accomplishment ?

    For the administration, Rhodes emphasized, “this is healthcare . . . , just to put it in context.”

    Well, that one worked out well. This is not a new initiative.

    In the first year of Obama’s first term, a senior administration official would later tell David Sanger of the New York Times, “There were more [White House] meetings on Iran than there were on Iraq, Afghanistan, and China. It was the thing we spent the most time on and talked about the least in public [emphasis added].” All along, Obama has regarded his hoped-for “comprehensive agreement” with Iran as an urgent priority, and, with rare exceptions, has consistently wrapped his approach to that priority in exceptional layers of secrecy.

    Why is he doing this ?

    in the international arena, where, as he believed, he had been elected to reverse the legacy of his predecessor, George W. Bush. To say that Obama regarded Bush’s foreign policy as anachronistic is an understatement. To him it was a caricature of yesteryear, the foreign-policy equivalent of Leave It to Beaver. Obama’s mission was to guide America out of Bushland, an arena in which the United States assembled global military coalitions to defeat enemies whom it depicted in terms like “Axis of Evil,” and into Obamaworld, a place more attuned to the nuances, complexities, and contradictions—and opportunities—of the 21st century. In today’s globalized environment, Obama told the United Nations General Assembly in September 2009, “our destiny is shared, power is no longer a zero-sum game. No one nation can or should try to dominate another nation. . . . No balance of power among nations will hold.”

    Some Obama critics see this as evidence that Obama is a Muslim or at least sympathizes with Muslims. On the other hand, it has been reported that Saudi King Abdullah “could not stand Obama.”

    “One of the big ironies here is that President Obama, in his statement, said how close he was to King Abdullah… King Abdullah did not like President Obama. In fact, a lot of people I know that are quite close to the late King Abdullah said that the king could not stand President Obama. This close personal bond between the president and the late Saudi leader, I think, is people being polite at a time of a national funeral.”

    Abdullah feared Obama’s naive attitude toward Iran.

    If, however, Netanyahu was Obama’s biggest regional headache, there was no lack of others. King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia was certainly the most consequential. Obama had assumed that the king would welcome his approach to the Middle East as a breath of fresh air. After all, the Baker-Hamilton crowd regarded the Arab-Israeli conflict as the major irritant in relations between the United States and the Arabs. Bush’s close alignment with Israel, so the thinking went, had damaged those relations; by contrast, Obama, the moment he took office, announced his goal of solving the Arab-Israeli conflict once and for all, and followed up by picking a fight with Netanyahu over Jewish settlements in the West Bank. How could the Saudis react with anything but pleasure?

    In fact, they distanced themselves—bluntly and publicly.

    The King had no tolerance for fools. In fact, the Saudis have on several occasions allied themselves with Israel and may feel that Israel is a more reliable ally than the US. They have made plans together.

    Israel and Saudi Arabia are secretly working together on plans for a possible attack against Iran in case the Geneva talks fail to roll back its nuclear program, British paper The Sunday Times reported.

    The two countries’ shared concern has put them at odds with the United States as the latter continues to seek an agreement with Iran to ease economic sanctions in return for pulling back nuclear development.

    One argument that Israel could not successfully attack the Iranian nuclear sites was that they would not have passage through Saudi airspace. That appears to be a myth. The article quoted was in 2013. Matters are more urgent now.

    At the end of the Bush administration, King Abdullah had made his top regional priority abundantly clear when, according to leaked State Department documents, he repeatedly urged the United States to destroy Iran’s nuclear program and thereby “cut off the head of the snake” in the Middle East.

    When Obama strode into office and announced his desire to kiss the snake, the Saudis lost no time in making their displeasure felt. Three months later, the king responded gruffly to an extensive presentation on Obama’s outreach program by Dennis Ross, then a senior official in the State Department with responsibility for Iran. “I am a man of action,” Abdullah said according to a New York Times report. “Unlike you, I prefer not to talk a lot.”

    Dennis Ross seems to have become a skeptic on the Obama plan.

    Hence it is time to acknowledge that we need a revamped coercive strategy, one that threatens what the Islamic Republic values the most—its influence in the Middle East and its standing at home. And the pattern of concessions at the negotiating table must stop if there is to be an acceptable agreement. Iranian officials must come to understand that there will be no further concessions to reach an accord and that time is running out for negotiations.

    This, of course, is what the Congress wants to do with new legislation.

    The U.S. Senate Banking Committee voted 18-4 on Thursday to advance a bill that would toughen sanctions on Iran if international negotiators fail to reach an agreement on Tehran’s nuclear program by the end of June.

    Ten Democrats support it and, if Obama vetoes it, there may be enough support to override that veto.

    Why has Obama threatened to veto a bill that only supports his stated objectives ?

    In early 2013, at the outset of his second term, Obama developed a secret bilateral channel to Ahmadinejad’s regime. When the full impact of this is taken into account, a surprising fact comes to light. The turning point in the American-Iranian relationship was not, as the official version would have it, the election of Hassan Rouhani in June 2013. It was the reelection of Barack Obama in November 2012.

    Indeed, the first secret meeting with the Iranians (that is, the first we know of) took place even earlier, in early July 2012, eleven months before Rouhani came to power. Jake Sullivan, who at the time was the director of policy planning in Hillary Clinton’s State Department, traveled secretly to Oman to meet with Iranian officials. The Obama administration has told us next to nothing about Sullivan’s meeting, so we are forced to speculate about the message that he delivered.

    Even so, why threaten a veto ?

    Obama has repeatedly stated, most recently in his 2015 State of the Union address, that the interim agreement “halted” the Iranian nuclear program. Or, as he put it in his March 2014 interview, the “logic” of the JPOA was “to freeze the situation for a certain period of time to allow the negotiators to work.” But the agreement froze only American actions; it hardly stopped the Iranians from moving forward.

    He has no plans to actually implement sanctions if the Iranians renege.

    President Rouhani went even further. In an interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria, he emphasized not just that Iran had refused to destroy centrifuges within the terms of the JPOA, but that it would never destroy them “under any circumstances.” Currently Iran has approximately 9,000 centrifuges installed and spinning, and roughly 10,000 more installed but inactive. Until Rouhani made his statement, the Obama administration had led journalists to believe that the final agreement would force the Iranians to dismantle some 15,000 centrifuges.Rouhani disabused the world of those expectations.

    “This strikes me as a train wreck,” a distraught Zakaria exclaimed after the interview. “This strikes me as potentially a huge obstacle because the Iranian conception of what the deal is going to look like and the American conception now look like they are miles apart.”

    Zakaria is no hawk. This promises to end in a confrontation with Congress and the Democrats have to decide if country or party are more important. Hillary Clinton is obviously no help in this situation.

    This is what we call smart power: using every possible tool and partner to advance peace and security, and leaving no one on the sidelines, showing respect, even for one’s enemies, trying to understand and insofar as psychologically possible empathize with their perspective and point of view — helping to define the problems, determine the solutions, that is what we believe in the 21st century will change. Change the prospects for peace.

    As Neville Chamberlain once said, We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analysing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will.

     

    21 Responses to “Obama’s plan for an alliance with Iran.”

    1. Jim Says:

      Let the peoples of the Middle East butcher each other to their hearts content. We should never have gotten involved in all this Middle Eastern madness.

    2. Jonathan Says:

      Let the peoples of the Middle East butcher each other to their hearts content.

      You may not be interested in the Middle East but the Middle East is interested in you.

    3. Grurray Says:

      Obviously Obama has miscalculated severely, thinking that his imagined charisma and ethnicity would somehow automatically win over the Arab world, as if they were equivalent to some Chicago South Side urban development group or something, and not bloodthirsty cutthroats.

      However, things in that region do seem to be taking interesting turns with Obama’s retreat.
      Example – after bombing an Iranian general last month in Syria it appears Israel has utilized channels of communication to Iran through Russia.

      If I would have told you a few years ago that Israel was going to kill an Iranian general and asked you what will happen next, most would say, prepare for war.
      Only a few years ago you would have been correct. The big change since is the fall of Syria and the rise of Daesh. They’re a threat to everyone now, but more importantly a distraction from previous alignments and animosities.

    4. Mike K Says:

      “We should never have gotten involved in all this Middle Eastern madness.”

      So, the British should not have converted the Royal Navy to oil from coal ?

      Roosevelt should not have met with the Saudi king on his way back from Yalta in 1945 ?

      Jimmy Carter should have closed the US embassy before the Iranian “students,” probably including Achmadinner jacket, seized the embassy flouting international law that has stood since Napoleon ?

      Tell me where to start.

      Maybe Napoleon should not have invaded Egypt in 1798 ?

      If only Jesus had been born in Britain !

    5. JohnTyler Says:

      To Mike K.,

      You can start at the onset of WWI, where the UK, and later the USA, decided to get involved in a war they had no need to enter.
      Both nations very wisely stayed out of the Franco-Prussian War – to the benefit of most of the world, and the result of that war GUARANTEED that France and Germany would go to war again and they made damn sure that conditions would develop to go at it again. They got their wish in 1914.

      The Ottoman Empire- already crumbling before WWI would have had to deal with the numerous, bickering, inter-tribal deadly conflicts of the numerous Arab tribes all seeking to dominate or kill each other, while seeking favors from the ruling muslim Turks, at the expense of their arab tribal brethren. But at least the Turks are muslims and the arabs would not have had to worry about another “Christian Crusades.”

      As for Obama, well, he looks at the foreign policy of , say, Paraguay or Iceland as ” models” the USA foreign policy should aspire to , because , given that the USA is the absolute worse thing that has ever happened to planet earth, – in Obama’s worldview- well, the USA MUST be eviscerated in every possible way. And when (( not if) Iran gets nukes that they WILL use against Israel, and also tbreaten the mideast, Europe and the USA, well, Obama could give a sh*t. He will be on the golf course in Hawaii, living the hi life paid for by you and me and all American citizens.

      Obama is a very angry, frustrated, petulant, arrogant , immature elitist who cares ONLY about himself and in creating – INTENTIONALLY- any and all havoc that will harm the USA. His policies have proved this and will continue to do so.

    6. Mike K Says:

      “You can start at the onset of WWI, where the UK, and later the USA, decided to get involved in a war they had no need to enter.”

      I made this comment to a British friend who is a Royal Army Medical Corps retired Colonel. He was shocked. The British got pulled in by the Kaiser’s foolish decision to build a rival navy. Read “Dreadnaught ” which is as good a discussion of why the British went to war as I have seen. The French had more responsibility than is usually appreciated. I think it may have been ” Catastrophe” by Max Hastings that discussed the maneuvers of the French ambassador to Russia.

      I think the Germans and their brutality in Belgium had a lot to do with the British and us getting into it. While staying out might have been OK, I hesitate to think of Europe after a defeat of the French by the Kaiser’s Germany. The Germans had become what Churchill described as “a nation of literature and culture, but every so often the black face out of the forest appears.” That is a paraphrase, I cannot find the quote.

      Schrecklichkeit is the term that is often used for it.

      German army doctrine in force at the time called for such reprisals to be performed immediately and severely in any case of civilian resistance. It was argued that such schrecklichkeit would end resistance quickly with relatively little bloodshed, whereas restraint would encourage resistance, leading to greater destruction and death.

      When Germany invaded Belgium in 1914, the German high command expected to sweep through the country with negligible opposition. The German army was many times larger and stronger than the Belgian army, and the Germans therefore thought that any resistance by Belgium would be futile. German leaders had even suggested to the Belgian government that in the event of war, the Belgians should just line up along the roads and watch the Germans march through. Belgium’s refusal to accept these German presumptions and its resistance to the German advance came as a surprise, and disrupted the German timetable for advancing into France.[4]

      The result was horrifying as civilians were massacred and libraries burned. The destruction of the library at Louvain destroyed many priceless artifacts including the only vellum copy of Vesalius’ manuscript of De Corporis which was 500 years old that year. There had been great celebrations of his birth planned all over the world. It was cancelled by the Germans.

      I cannot think of a better example of a policy that backfired badly on its perpetrators.

    7. Mrs. Davis Says:

      I’m sorry, but I think you mean Valerie Jarrett’s plan for an alliance with Iran.

    8. Robert Schwartz Says:

      ‘This promises to end in a confrontation with Congress and the Democrats have to decide if country or party are more important.”

      Not even close. Democrats hate everything but the Democrat party. If their party cannot rule the USA, they will destroy the USA. When did they ever do anything that made you think they gave a $#;+ about anything but themselves?

      Object lesson. The Senate Intelligence committee and the CIA report.

      Rule or ruin. That is their slogan, that is their polestar.

    9. Mike K Says:

      “Valerie Jarrett’s plan for an alliance with Iran.”

      She may well be the inspiration but this was his plan even before being elected. Maybe it was her idea. Somebody wrote a book called “Bush’s Brain” but she is a more accurate example.

    10. newrouter Says:

      Obama Does Have a Strategy
      Once you see what he is trying to accomplish, it all makes sense.

    11. Jim Says:

      To Mike K. – Jimmy Carter made a huge mistake not getting all US personnel out of Iran. The US government asked the Bazargan government for assurance as to the safety of the US Embassy and naively accepted their assurances. I remember at the time my knowledge of the situation in Iran came just from reading the MY Times. I certainly had no access to intelligence reports but I could easily tell that the internal situation in Iran posed an extreme danger to US personnel and also that any assurances from the Bazargan government were meaningless.

    12. Jim Says:

      To JohnTyler – If the British had stayed out of WW I the British Empire might still be in existence. The Communist takeove in Russia would probably not have happened since the war might have ended much quicker with a German victory.

    13. dearieme Says:

      “the war might have ended much quicker with a German victory” True. But then what would that mad sod Kaiser Bill have done?

    14. Jim Says:

      Dearieme – Given the choice of being ruled by Kaiser Bill or Lenin, whom would you choose?

      The British should have listened to Bertie Russell instead of putting him in jail.

    15. Jim Says:

      Jimmjy Carter’s decisions in regard to Iran are a classic example of the danger of “official reality” – namely that the people making the decisions may actually come to believe in it. It was official reality at the time that Bazargan was the prime minister of Iran. Any idiot who read the NY Times could have told Carter that the Bazargan “government” didn’t mean diddly-shit. But apparently Carter took their assurances seriously. The moral is “Never fall for your own lies”. The neocons ought to keep that in mind.

    16. Will Says:

      I think that once we find out who he is, we’ll have a much better idea of what is planned etc. Lot’s of speculation these past six years, many ominous figures he’s seemingly aligned with, always appears to be working against the interests of the people he’s sworn to protect, but who really knows? Surely once the facts are out, we’ll know then.

    17. Jim Says:

      Will – Yeah, who is this guy who came out of nowhere to become POTUS?

    18. Mike K Says:

      “The moral is “Never fall for your own lies”. The neocons ought to keep that in mind.”

      I was nodding my head until the last line. “Neocons” were left-liberals who recognized the realities of communism and became conservative. Many were Jews and some seem to think that made them try to influence US policies in favor of Israel. I disagree.

      Paul Wolfowitz, often assumed to be an example, got into the crosshairs of the libertarian left when he said the sanctions would never work on Iraq because it “sat on a lake of oil.” That was exactly true and the sanctions were collapsing at the time of 9/11. Bush faced a terrible choice. Punishing Afghanistan when they defied our demands to give up al Qeada and bin Laden was necessary but Afghanistan, contrary to Obama’s foolish statement, was not central in the Islamic problem. Bin Laden was a Sunni and the Sunni world was celebrating 9/11. Half the hijackers were Saudis and the leader was Egyptian. Had we then lifted the sanctions or pretended they continued when they didn’t, it would have looked like a huge defeat. Bush went to the UN and gave Saddam a chance to avoid invasion. Encouraged by the French and Russians, he defied us.

      Bush’s mistake was to try to make Iraq a democracy and a modern economy. It was worth a try as it had oil and was thought to have been secularized by Saddam. The tribal nature of Arabs was misunderstood. We should have punished them and left the country to the exiles, who were hated by the CIA. If we decided we had to stay, we should have put Jay Garner in charge of the whole country. He had done a good job with the Kurds who have a functioning country, even under attack by ISIS. Instead we got Bremer who I blame for most of the mess. Obama then finished off what was a modest success that might still be working.

      Iran is an enemy which makes no bones about being at war with us. Obama’s policy is insane but there are precedents for leaders who nearly, or did, destroy their country with illogical policy. I don’t see what the “neocons” had to do with it except support Bush in what he believed he had to do. Blaming neocons is akin to blaming Israel and we know where that comes from.

    19. rlc2 Says:

      http://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/2015/02/obamas-secret-iran-strategy/

    20. Mike K Says:

      Ric2, that link is already in the piece.

    21. Veryretired Says:

      The non-entity currently occupying the Oval Office is, and always has been, nothing more than a front man for the political machine that selected him, groomed him, and shepherded him through a couple elections into the WH. Listen to him try to talk without a script or pre-arranged questions—he’s nearly incoherent.

      The political ideology which powers his enablers and supporters is rabidly anti-American, anti-military, anti-capitalist, and anti-technological/industrial civilization. Their vision of a desirable world requires an America which is weakened, dependent, de-industrialized, and consumed by internal social-welfarism that precludes any military involvement anywhere in the world, for any reason.

      The progressive/collectivist left has been a fifth column in this country for the last century plus. They have never supported the U.S. in any military action except when they were ordered to do so, they have consistently attacked every fundamental element of our society, and they have no interest in an America that can continue the global leadership it has exercised since WW2.

      You are watching a Punch and Judy show. Look behind the curtain, and follow the massive amounts of money that has been stolen, and then you might be able to figure out what’s going on, and who’s really running the show.

      Hint—his initials will not be BHO.