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  • Forever

    Posted by Grurray on June 9th, 2016 (All posts by )

    AYC
     
     
     
    This is a long, old article about the Arab “refugees” in and around Israel (h/t – Architect Guy), but it’s still a useful exposé of the maddening hypocrisy that created and enabled Arab terrorism in Israel.

    What indeed? Arabs gorge on hate, they roll in it, they breathe it. Jews top the hate list, but any foreigners are hateful enough. Arabs also hate each other, separately and, en masse. Their politicians change the direction of their hate as they would change their shirts. Their press is vulgarly base with hate-filled cartoons; their reporting describes whatever hate is now uppermost and convenient. Their radio is a long scream of hate, a call to hate. They teach their children hate in school. They must love the taste of hate; it is their daily bread. And what good has it done them?
     
    THERE is no future in spending UN money to breed hate. There is no future in nagging or bullying Israel to commit suicide by the admission of a fatal locust swarm of enemies. There is no future in Nasser’s solution, the Holy War against Israel; and we had better make this very clear, very quickly.

    A lot has changed since this was written over a half century ago, but sadly much remains the same. The system cemented in place to breed evil that ruthlessly murders innocent people generation after generation is flourishing. The United Nations and its international order are the enemy of Israel and the enemy of Jewish people. The Palestinian is not now a partner for peace and never was.

    Related: The Smoking Gun: Arab Immigration into Palestine, 1922-1931

    Like U.O. Schmelz, Roberto Bachi expressed some reservation about the virtual non-existence of data and discussion concerning migration into and within Palestine. He writes:
     
    Between 1800 and 1914, the Muslim population had a yearly average increase in the order of magnitude of roughly 6-7 per thousand. This can be compared to the very crude estimate of about 4 per thousand for the “less developed countries” of the world (in Asia, Africa, and Latin America) between 1800 and 1910. It is possible that part of the growth of the Muslim population was due to immigration

    Not only is it possible, but it’s likely that much if not most of the population of Arabs that now identifies as Palestinian originated in outlying regions such as Egypt and Syria prior to the 20th century.

    This was confirmed by Mark Twain in his book The Innocents Abroad about his Old World travels in 1867.

    No landscape exists that is more tiresome to the eye than that which bounds the approaches to Jerusalem. Jerusalem is mournful, dreary, and lifeless. Palestine sits in sackloth and ashes Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies… Palestine is desolate and unlovely… It is a hopeless, dreary, heartbroken land… [a] desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds – a silent mournful expanse… A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action… We never saw a human being on the whole route… There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.

    Regardless of where the Arabs say they came from or think they came from or what they think they deserve, Jews have lived in the Land of Israel for over 3000 years. They have a claim to the land that stretches back long before Arabs even existed. The Jews of Israel took a barren and desolate desert and turned it into an oasis in the middle of a region otherwise cursed with war, strife, and misery. Israel thrives now while the Arab world is imploding. Israel lives and always has and always will.

     

    27 Responses to “Forever”

    1. Jonathan Says:

      Indeed.

    2. Jim Says:

      Hebrew tribes probably invaded the Eastern Mediterranean littoral in the period of turmoil and chaos following the onslaught of the Sea Peoples. This would have been somewhat
      after 1200 BC. But the area was well-populated before that and the prior populations were by no means exterminated although no doubt there was a lot of conflict. Ashkenazi Jews are genetically about 60% Southern European and 40% Middle Eastern. The Middle Eastern component of Ashkenazi genetics is actually fairly similar to Palestinians. We don’t have as far as I know any real data about the genetics of the Hebrew tribes in 1200 BC and in fact these tribes might have had considerable genetic diversity themselves. But it is quite likely that Palestinians are genetically closer to Hebrews of 1200 BC than Ashkenazi Jews are.

      Taking the distributions of human populations as they existed 3,000 years ago as the basis for running the modern world seems pretty arbitrary to me.

    3. Jim Says:

      Instead of “quite likely” I probably should have said “virtually certain”.

    4. Jim Says:

      The “Hebrews” of 1200 BC may not have been a single people but may have been an aggregation of different desert tribes. The Eqytian word “h-b-r” was a generic term for desert nomads.

    5. Michael Hiteshew Says:

      The Arab world has a vile, barbaric culture. It seems very similar to those described in the early Roman and pre-Roman world, with none of the innovation, work ethic or civilizing influences. If that weren’t enough, islam is a primitive, violent, totalitarian ideology masquerading as a religion. Interesting the western left makes common cause with it.

      Israel is modern civilization in a sea of backwardness and chaos.

    6. Jim Says:

      Michael – Similar to what described in early Roman or pre-Roman times? There are occaisional Assyrian references to ‘Arabs” going back to the early part of the first millenium BC but it is not clear exactly what people are being referred. I suppose “Pre-Roman” would mean something like before 600 BC. I doubt that there are any pre-Roman or for that matter early Roman references to Arabs.

    7. Jim Says:

      Michael – You could try to cultivate a more objective view towards human reality.

    8. Anonymous Says:

      Religion. A reason to kill.

      That is it’s purpose, to unite people into a lie that can be controlled to the extent your people will kill their people.

      Original sin is just one of the amazingly evil concepts promulgated to enslave people to the religion’s purpose.

      I could go on, but it’s a waste of my time.

      The Hindus have it right: “that thou art”. The entire universe is one mind.

    9. Jim Says:

      Michael – Actually the Villanovan culture of “pre-Roman” Italy is pretty interesting. I’m sure it was no utopia but it was no more “vile” or “barbaric” than the later Roman culture.

    10. Jim Says:

      Annonymous – An attempt at an objective analysis of the nature of religion (an exteremly broad area of human behavior) is a lot more interesting than your random emoting.

    11. PenGun Says:

      Sorry I am the anon, I’m sure most of you knew.

    12. PenGun Says:

      Jim, I do lose it on occasion. At the moment religion is my pet peeve and it’s contribution to human misery is pissing me off.

    13. Grurray Says:

      ” But it is quite likely that Palestinians are genetically closer to Hebrews of 1200 BC than Ashkenazi Jews are.”

      Or, on the other hand, it isn’t likely at all. If there is no genetic information for the subjects of the Kingdom of Israel then the only thing that can be done is look at other factors. The other factors are historic, nationalistic or cultural view points. From these frames of reference, Palestinians have nothing in common with pre-Diaspora Israelites.

      Palestinians have a cultural heritage close to the Alawiyya dynasty of 19th century Egypt and Muslims of the Vilayet of Syria, which is where many came from during the turmoil caused by the collapsing Ottoman Empire, looking for refuge in the relatively sparse and autonomous region.

      I can tell you that my investigations of genetics leads me to conclude that most of it is based on vague estimates and outright guesses. It’s much more robust to look at cultural information like linguistics, traditions, folk stories, etc. I’ve found not unreasonable clues to suggest that Ashkenazi Jews have lived in the Middle East for a long time, longer than most genetic theories out there now.

    14. Gringo Says:

      PenGun
      Jim, I do lose it on occasion. At the moment religion is my pet peeve and it’s[sic] contribution to human misery is pissing me off.

      Communism, an atheistic creed that has persecuted many believers in a Supreme Being, has inflicted great misery on the world. Estimates are an estimated 100 million deaths attributed to Communist regimes. Your statement is accordingly replete with ignorance.

      Disclaimer: I have never been a churchgoer, with the possible exception of having belonged to Liberal Religious Youth –Unitarian jokes at the link– when in high school. There were also two Red Diaper Babies who attended the LRY group I belonged to- though I didn’t find out about their status until decades later.

    15. Will Says:

      “First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people” A cab driver in Brooklyn told us, after he had asked about our religions. We were fairly roasted at that point in the evening. My companion, a native of Cambridge, MA and then later Berkeley, CA piped up “I’m an atheist, and lean to socialism” This was probably ’97 or ’98, and I was still rowing with one oar. I’ve learned a lot in the ensuing years.

    16. Jim Says:

      Grurray – The genetic evidence on the Ashkenazi is quite clear. They are about 60% Southern Mediterranean. The Middle Eastern component of their genetics is pretty similar to Palestinians. There is essentially no chance that they are genetically closer to the original Hebrew tribes than Palestinians.

    17. Gringo Says:

      Pen Gun
      The Hindus have it right: “that thou art”. The entire universe is one mind.

      Maybe so.

      Speaking of Hindus, I am reminded of a Ph.D. sociologist, the daughter of a Congregationalist minister, who after 3 decades of not attending church, became the devotee of a Hindu guru. Someone who had lived in India for several years, and thus knew India much better than she did, wondered why in converting to Hinduism, this sociologist didn’t take into consideration the kind of society that Hinduism produced.

      But straight thinking was not something one always found found in these Western guru-seekers. I recall conversing with some guru-seekers upon their return from India. I was surprised to find out that diarrhea/Delhi belly was far from the only disease the guru-seekers had contracted in India. Most of the illnesses they had contracted in India, with the exception of diarrhea, could have been prevented had they taken the recommended check list of vaccinations before going to India.

    18. Jonathan Says:

      Religion. A reason to kill.

      I know, right? There are so many Jewish and Christian terrorists nowadays!

    19. dearieme Says:

      “the original Hebrew tribes “: which may anyway be a misdescription of some Canaanites in the hill country who adopted a pig taboo.

    20. Mike K Says:

      “Interesting the western left makes common cause with it.”

      Both hate western civilization. Something in common.

      Ashkenazi Jews are essentially German Jews as they are distinct from those who were not influenced by the twin factors of discrimination in Europe and the pressure of the few occupations available to them. The 10,000 Year Explosion. points out that the Ashkenazi may have come from Italy and may have been largely descended from male prisoners brought to Rome after the Revolts of the first two centuries of the Common Era. They were slaves but may have become freedmen and married European women, admixing genetics. The high IQ of Ashkenazim may be acquired during the middle ages under intense evolutionary pressure.The same influence may have produced Tay Sachs and other severe genetics diseases seen in such inbred populations.

      Jews in other parts of the world, like those in Islamic countries, have IQ distribution that is about average. Only the Ashkenazi have the standard deviation above the mean.

      The Palestinians seem to be Arabs from other areas who came into the region in the past century or two. The UN and UNESCO seem tohave created a monster that no one knows what to do with. I think Israel is wise to wall them off. The Egyptians certainly don’t want any part of them.

    21. Grurray Says:

      “There is essentially no chance that they are genetically closer to the original Hebrew tribes than Palestinians”

      Not according to this study

      We show that religious affiliation had a strong impact on the genomes of the Levantines. In particular, conversion of the region’s populations to Islam appears to have introduced major rearrangements in populations’ relations through admixture with culturally similar but geographically remote populations, leading to genetic similarities between remarkably distant populations like Jordanians, Moroccans, and Yemenis. Conversely, other populations, like Christians and Druze, became genetically isolated in the new cultural environment. We reconstructed the genetic structure of the Levantines and found that a pre-Islamic expansion Levant was more genetically similar to Europeans than to Middle Easterners.

      In other words Hebrews and Europeans.

      By the way, I was meaning to do a review of this book but didn’t get around to it: Leadership Secrets of the Kings and Prophets: What the Bible’s Struggles Teach Us About Today by Joel Pollak editor at Breitbart.com

      Great book. In it he shows the political roots of Western Civilization in the ancient Kingdom of Israel. European liberal political philosophies only developed after the revival of the Hebrew language in the 16th and 17th century and the subsequent translations of the Hebrew bible. Europeans discovered the Hebrew bible was a political constitution instituted by God with concepts such as separation of church and state, the balance of power between branches of government, and the conduct of citizens motivated by freedom and virtue.

    22. Mike K Says:

      Another good study of Arabs and their [psychology is The Closed Circle, in which Pryce-Jones writes about the tribal nature of Arab society.

      This is probably not genetic but is similar to the Orthodox Christians living in Serbia where the Ottomans had little interest in local security and a very tribal culture developed. This was described in Black Lamb and Grey Falcon, by Rebecca West. Low trust societies become tribal and the Arabs have a “shame honor” culture, which makes it worse.

    23. Grurray Says:

      “Ashkenazi may have come from Italy and may have been largely descended from male prisoners brought to Rome after the Revolts of the first two centuries of the Common Era”

      Yes, and they leveraged that historical connection by later mediating Mediterranean trade between the east and west. After the ghettos were established in Venice and neighboring areas of Italy in the early 16th century, many stayed and settled along the eastern Mediterranean coast but kept under wraps to avoid Ottoman “Dhimmitude” and taxes on non-Muslims. They didn’t form communities or temples in the way other Jews around the Levant had done, so their history was concealed.

    24. Phil Ossiferz Stone Says:

      Whatever else they might be, religions are operating systems for human beings. You want to know about any OS, read the user’s guide. Dismissing them all as useless is as asinine as proclaiming them all of equal value, or directed to a single end. To those who do and have: You are virgins speculating on what it is like — or bitching about the impossibility of — getting laid. You are Luddites living in tarpaper shacks griping about the kiddie porn on that terrible awful Internet thing. You have not read the user documentation, just convenient bits and scraps. You are not only illiterate, but lazy as hell.

      Or perhaps you think the high-trust wealthy society you grew up in was some kind of happy accident, or that the bloodthirsty maelstrom of the Middle East some kind of civilizational car wreck. Neither is true. Both were programmed and designed differently, and that has made all the difference in the world.

      Nothing follows.

    25. Mike K Says:

      ” religions are operating systems for human beings.”

      I agree that humans are hard wired for religion. Lately, we’ve seen the AGW religion at work. The Social Justice religion is related.

      Richard Fernandez, as usual, has some thoughts on this.

      Suffice it so say that something is causing societies to engage in behavior that is financially unsustainable. Cultures are deciding to commit suicide for no apparent reason. The most expensively schooled generation in history is throwing childish tantrums, rolling around the floor or carrying a mattress the whole day long.

    26. Jim Says:

      Dearieme – “h-b-r” is a generic Egyptian term applied to desert nnomads in general. “Canaanites” is a Biblical term for people living in the Levant before the Biblical Hebrews. The term probably was applied to different groups of people as the area had a lot of ethnic diversity. Although Aramaic names are most common in the historical records, Hurrian and Aryan names also occur. Before the time of the Sea Peoples the northern part of the Levant was under Hittite rule and the southern part under Egyptian rule. The onslaught of the Sea Peoples ended both Hittite and Egyptian rule. This probably opened the way for various desert nomads who became the Biblical Hebrews to move in. Some of the Sea Peoples such as the Philistines and the Danuna also settled in the area. The Danuna may be the “tribe of Dan”.

    27. Jim Says:

      Mike K. – The IQ of Oriental Jews while above the world average of about 90 is considerably below the IQ of Northwest European populations and of course well-below the IQ level of Northeast Asians. They seem roughly similar to Mestizos in average cognitive level. Ashkenazi IQ in Israel is somewhat lower than in the US. Lynn attributes this
      in part to the presence among Israeli Ashkenazi of Jews who are only part Ashkenazi as well as Russian pseudo-Jews. Arab IQ tends to be in the upper 80’s in places like Syria and Lebanon and in the lower 80’s in South Arabia. Their overall IQ level isn’t much higher than US blacks. It is likely that Arab IQ has been significantly lowered by cousin-marriage.